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Americans renouncing citizenship to become British thanks to tax rise
The Telegraph ^ | 02 Mar 2013 | David Barrett

Posted on 03/02/2013 8:31:25 PM PST by Baynative

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To: Baynative
Oddly, the majority is letting the minority succeed in taking our country away. We are letting lawlessness prevail and we are giving up our freedom.

Along with the "somebody" you mentioned, this is the real crux. The minority has no moral values or ethics and is willing to break any law and convention in order to have its way. The majority has a respect for what the rule of law means and also has as stronger moral conscience. This makes one unwilling to get down in the trenches and fight fire with fire. War truly is hell because, in order to win, the good guys must be willing to be every bit as bad as the bad guys - there is no such thing as a moral high ground in war or street fighting.

51 posted on 03/03/2013 7:31:02 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Ditter

Sad, but true in my case too. God blessed Texas!


52 posted on 03/03/2013 7:46:29 AM PST by LUV W (All my heroes wear camos!)
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To: Ditter
I fly the Texas flag only. Happy Independence Day yesterday!
53 posted on 03/03/2013 8:07:30 AM PST by nanetteclaret (Unreconstructed Catholic Texan)
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To: FreedomStar3028
The decline of America will effect every human on Earth.

Victor Davis Hanson addressed that in his Friday column, "Recessional for a retiring power", to wit:

In our relief from the vast costs and burdens of maintaining the postwar global order, though, we might at least acknowledge the truth, past and present: Just as the world was a far better place after 1945 because of an engaged United States, so it will probably become a much worse place owing to an increasingly absent America.

54 posted on 03/03/2013 8:35:51 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: Baynative
The IRS is the new Gestapo.

Then of course, there is the new state religion...


55 posted on 03/03/2013 9:38:51 AM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: FreedomStar3028

“The decline of America will effect every human on Earth.”

I agree. However, I am concerned with the speed and manner of the decline. The global statists, enemies domestic and foreign, want a gradual, imperceptible decline that arouses relatively few from their stupor. The educational system, the media, the welfare state and the entertainment industry are doing a magnificent job keeping the public soft, happy and stupid.

If America is truly the last bastion of liberty and the hope of the world, more people need to wake up and take action. But for this to happen, the decline must be precipitous, painful and dramatic. Unfortunately, too many people only respond to a forced choice at the last moment, at which time it may be too late.


56 posted on 03/03/2013 12:50:16 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: raybbr

“Don’t you think it’s very weird for someone to come to FR, almost every day, and brag about how he’s left the U.S.”
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I am not bragging about anything. I love America as it was founded, but not the America that now consist of takers, and wannabe Communist. Are you ready to start a civil war?

I consider myself fortunate to be able to choose my own life.
I do recognize the “dogs in a manger” on here. That is their right, but I do not let them bother me.
I do note that over the last five years, your type has dried up considerably.
I now get many more that question us expats on how THEY can do the same.


57 posted on 03/03/2013 2:55:31 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Alter Kaker

” The Philippines spends almost nothing on its own defense, preferring to ask the US taxpayer to defend its borders”
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I think you are confusing past and present.
The US left the Philippines years ago after closing the Subic bay base. It was a big mistake on the part of the Philippines, as they asked the US to pull out.

The US is now working on increasing presence here to counter China and its expansionist plans in the Pacific, as seen by their attempt to claim the Spratly Islands.
They are not coming here to protect the country.
The Philippine army is quite busy as it is, fighting muzies on Mindanao.

US presence here now consist of a US ship that grounded on a delicate coral reef. They will now have to break up the ship to move it.


58 posted on 03/03/2013 3:14:29 PM PST by AlexW
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To: quesney
"So is he doing anything?"

This email was widely distributed as it was addressing local property rights issues and proposed tax increases - and yes he's doing a lot. We both give as much time and money as we can in following the liberal mantra of "Think globally, act locally".

In the last two years we have defeated a proposal to create a Local Improvement District (LID) for the purpose assessing property owners in order to build traffic roundabouts. We forced the County into dropping it ICLEI membership and we are entering a lawsuit against a locally imposed land grab that is instituting 150 foot buffer zones along all bodies of water, wetlands and navigable waterways in our county. This is a big fight because our county on the eastern shore of Washington's Puget Sound is surrounded by water and national parks. We are out numbered by liberals who win most elections easily and usually don't need the 3 to 7 percent of fraudulent votes they produce. But, we keep fighting for the sake of our grandkids.

59 posted on 03/03/2013 3:31:10 PM PST by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: trebb
"The minority has no moral values or ethics and is willing to break any law and convention in order to have its way."

Funny you should mention that. Since the immigration(amnesty) debate has ramped up I have been trying to make the idea of having the proposed back ground checks for green card applicants include cross checking voter registration roles.

I explain that it appears our congress is leaning toward finding a way to forgive illegal entry into the country. However, I don't feel we should over look felony vote fraud perpetuated while living here illegally and that if someone has illegally voted they should get the boot.

I have sent repeated emails and faxes and left countless messages on congressional lines as well as talking to dozens of office staffers - PARTICULARLY those of McCain and Graham.

I have done the same in an effort to contact every conservative talk show host I can find contact information for. I have been doing this since before Christmas. I do it constantly. I send faxes when I get up in the morning and I make at least four or five calls a day.

Yet, I have never heard the idea mentioned. NOT ONCE. Not by a single politician. Not by any talk show hosts that I listen to a lot. Not by Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, Freedom Works, Tea Party.org or Town Hall - all have heard from me.

To your point - for liberals vote fraud is a strategy, NOT a crime. And I don't see anyone on the right willing to say so.

60 posted on 03/03/2013 3:45:32 PM PST by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: Alter Kaker

What would be those benefits of US citizenship exactly? I understand how maybe a half century or more ago being a US citizen conferred great benefits compared to citizenship of other less enlightened nations. Today, not so much.

Citizenship of dozens of European nations, Japan, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc provide all the benefits and freedoms that the US provides without the hassle from over-intrusive tax authorities and other state-run organizations.

The old idea that if you get into trouble overseas the great, overwhelming might of the US government will swoop down in all its majesty to rescue you from the clutches of the devious foreigners is I’m afraid a complete myth. The US government will do diddly squat for you other than check if you’ve paid your taxes.


61 posted on 03/03/2013 4:48:27 PM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
The old idea that if you get into trouble overseas the great, overwhelming might of the US government will swoop down in all its majesty to rescue you from the clutches of the devious foreigners is I’m afraid a complete myth.

Yep...Libya proved that.

62 posted on 03/03/2013 4:50:13 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: AlexW
I'm not confusing anything. I'm well aware of the fact that Subic Bay closed. Are you aware of the fact that the US and the Philippines have a mutual defense treaty, which the Philippines relies on to avoid spending its own budget on its own defense?

Yes, it is fighting what's left of the insurgency on Mindanao (along with 600 or so US Marines), but it has done nothing to upgrade its Navy or Air Force to even remotely counter an external threat. Instead, it relies on the US (which still has forces in the region) for protection from China and other regional threats. The US should give the Philippines a choice -- either do your part, or ward of Chinese expansion yourself.

63 posted on 03/03/2013 4:50:44 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Chode
Not really. VAT is much higher than US sales taxes, but its much less comprehensive. Theres no VAT on food, fuel oil, postage, books, magazines, public transport - pretty much all the basic commodities. As a US tourist you can claim VAT back when you leave the UK anyway.

Gas is more expensive in the UK, but its not as bad as most Americans think. For one thing, a UK gallon is 25% larger than a US gallon. British fuel tends to be higher octane and more calorific, so you get higher mpg too.

64 posted on 03/03/2013 5:53:14 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: AlexW
That is the problem in the US. The majority has been persuaded to let dear leader Obumbo take care of them. As I have posted many times, the media and education K-Grad school has been taken over by the Communist.

Oh I believe you. So the answer is to take them back.

65 posted on 03/03/2013 5:56:37 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: Truth29

Not too many nations that meet that set of exacting requirements. And none of those that do are immune to one or more of them happening in the next few years.


66 posted on 03/03/2013 6:00:56 PM PST by Vanders9
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To: Vanders9
but if you renounce your citizenship like the article says, you are stuck with the VAT forever, let alone the goathumpers are taking over and you can't even own a gun... SCREW that!
67 posted on 03/03/2013 6:00:56 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Vanders9

“Oh I believe you. So the answer is to take them back. “
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Of course, but the USSA now has a majority population of takers. How do you plan to take back the Media and institutions of education?
If you do take them back, how do you reeducate the takers?

I do not tell anyone to give up on America, but there will be terrific pain and turmoil before, or if, America recovers from despotism.
It took about 50 years for Russia and central Europe to free itself from Marxist/Leninist ideology.
At least the American public is not yet fenced in, as Communist Europe was.

I am catching a lot of flack on here for leaving the USSA, but there is nothing I can do there to save the country.
I can do far more by telling other foreigners and US expats just how bad it is going to become there.


68 posted on 03/03/2013 6:39:28 PM PST by AlexW
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To: Baynative

The USA is spending enormous amounts in resources and money to prevent some really ugly things from happening in other countries around the globe. I’m not only talking about foreign aid money. I’m not going into the issue in detail for good reasons. And no, I don’t have (or need) any special, inside word on that. It’s available to anyone who looks for information or pays attention to things that anyone between the USA and Asia can see with their own eyes.

But folks, don’t expect the huge spending and efforts to go on for much longer. As a result of our US economic decline (due to several kinds of corruption here preventing new, small manufacturing starts for decades), many in other countries will see far uglier times than ours. We’ve given much more than we can give while not producing enough things of real value to support our own country.

Sorry, but that’s the way it is. Many in countries outside of our USA should prepare for takeovers by truly monstrous tyrants before long.


69 posted on 03/03/2013 10:37:55 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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