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The Great Escape murders: The Nazi slaughter of escaped heroes
Daily Mail ^ | 3rd March 2013 | SIMON READ

Posted on 03/03/2013 6:43:24 AM PST by the scotsman

'Immortalised in the film The Great Escape, the mass breakout from PoW camp Stalag Luft III on March 24-25, 1944, was swiftly followed by terrible retribution – the cold-blooded murder of 50 recaptured prisoners, on Hitler’s direct orders.'

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1 posted on 03/03/2013 6:43:29 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

Why God permitted satan to act through the Nazis I will never understand. God grant me wisdom in Jesus’ name


2 posted on 03/03/2013 7:07:38 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: the scotsman

The book would be an interesting read.

I’m curious as to what happened in real life corresponding to the movie’s portrayal of makeshift pants used to release tunnel dirt...


3 posted on 03/03/2013 7:13:01 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: yldstrk
permitted satan to act through the Nazis I will never understand.

And how do you explain our first Muslim Terrorist President who also has plans for killing Americans as he tightens the noose around our necks?

4 posted on 03/03/2013 7:15:15 AM PST by politicianslie (Most Americans can't even recognize massive election fraud. Our first Muslim President laughs at you)
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To: yldstrk

Good folks turned their backs and did nothing. “let himhave Poland, that will pacify him”.


5 posted on 03/03/2013 7:19:00 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: the scotsman
Malmedy was also a travesty. The SS were brutal and inhumane.
6 posted on 03/03/2013 7:19:53 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: C210N
for anyone interested, the referenced book for sale in US dollars from Amazon, with some interesting comments and reviews:

Human Game: The True Story of the 'Great Escape' Murders and the Hunt for the Gestapo Gunmen


7 posted on 03/03/2013 7:20:39 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: the scotsman

Is it only me, or is this Daily Mail article badly written and confusing because of this?

Bad writing is hard to quantify.


8 posted on 03/03/2013 7:23:24 AM PST by FoxPro
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To: the scotsman
I was born in 1940 and some of my earliest memories are of over hearing talk about the war. I guess when the war was over and the pictures of the emaciated Jews were in the newspapers, I wondered what my parents were so upset about so I sneaked a peek. OMG! The shock was horrible for a 5 year old child. I admit that I have never been able to completely forgive Germany for electing Hitler and now my country has elected obama and we are headed to......... where?
9 posted on 03/03/2013 7:27:04 AM PST by Ditter
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To: the scotsman

Contrast this with how German prisoners were treated in the US. They knew they had it so good, very, very few even tried to escape. After the war many stayed or returned later to immigrate.


10 posted on 03/03/2013 7:33:39 AM PST by Last Dakotan
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To: Last Dakotan

Same here, and this was a nation bombed and starved by them. German prisoners stayed in their thousands and married local women.

One of the iconic sportsman in the UK in the 1940’s and 50’s, Bert Trautmann (soccer goalie), became a much loved national treasure (especially after he played an English soccer cup final with a broken neck).


11 posted on 03/03/2013 7:43:08 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: vetvetdoug

True. Ironically the first shot was fired by a Rumanian, Georg Fleps.


12 posted on 03/03/2013 7:44:11 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: politicianslie

the same. Why God is permitting this nation to be in the grip of evil is beyond me and I have asked for wisdom to understand.


13 posted on 03/03/2013 7:45:04 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: vetvetdoug

RUmanian?. Dear oh dear. Should of course be rOmanian.


14 posted on 03/03/2013 7:46:05 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: yldstrk
One could overload the FR database listing the evil God permits.

And the permittance leads to a reasonable question.....

15 posted on 03/03/2013 7:48:20 AM PST by deadrock
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To: the scotsman

We hunted the sonofabitchs down after the war and they were executed to a man.They have recently found another tunnel at the camp where this escape took place.The movie is really good but does stray from fact but it did get the story out to a larger audience who would otherwise never had known about the bravery of all those involved.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 7:52:09 AM PST by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: DEADROCK

“Who, in their right mind Kevin, could possibly deny the twentieth century was entirely mine....All of it!” - The Devil’s Advocate


17 posted on 03/03/2013 7:54:37 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: yldstrk

Because God grants man free will.


18 posted on 03/03/2013 7:55:11 AM PST by Rennes Templar (Business owners work harder! You have to support millions.)
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

A Hollywood movie straying from the facts? Naaah, say it isn’t so.


19 posted on 03/03/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: FoxPro

“Bad writing is hard to quantify.”

Yep. One day I was trying to read a scientific report for work, and I could not understand it. I tried again a couple of days later. I figured it was over my head. Tried a third time, and realized that I wasn’t stupid, it was very badly written.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 7:56:00 AM PST by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: the scotsman
I'm no historian but I've known for years that The Great Escape was at least loosely based on real event.However,I didn't realize that it was quite “tightly” based on real events until now.The suffering that Europe and Asia endured during the 30’s,40’s and even into the 50’s is almost beyond my comprehension.And the “Soviet Bloc” suffered even into the 80’s.There are some wars that you wish *both* sides could lose.Iran/Iraq and Hitler/Stalin are two that come quickly to my mind.
21 posted on 03/03/2013 7:58:14 AM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Rennes Templar

He also lets the devil prowl around seeking to destroy. Why?


22 posted on 03/03/2013 8:02:57 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
The Communists were even worse. Stalin executed many returned Russian prisoners, and sent many others to gulags and other forced work camps, for the crime of not fighting to the death against the Germans.
23 posted on 03/03/2013 8:06:49 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Ditter
My earliest memories are on a hill overlooking Bolling AFB ~ the planes were coming in there 24/7, being checked out by First Squad, Second Squad, and others ~ and then ferried to New Foundland, to Greenland, to Iceland to England where they would be ready for D-Day.

Bolling was the D-mark for the war in Europe.

I recall sort of missing the roar later on, but at night my mother would take me outside to watch for a certain plane ~ she'd say "There's your daddy's plane and he'll be home soon" ~ and there'd be a signature waggle.

More recently I discovered that I'm living at the end of a WWII temporary runway out in Fairfax county where planes were lashed together for those flights, and yet others checked them out before the trip to Europe.

Born on a battlefield ~ next to Freeman Field in Southern Indiana, brought up under the roar of the D-Day aerial armada, and in the end i"m still living on sacred ground.

24 posted on 03/03/2013 8:11:22 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Last Dakotan

The U.S. bent over backwards to adhere to the Geneva protocols so as not to give the Germans any pretext to harm American POWs. In one interesting case six German prisoners killed a fellow prisoner who made disparaging remarks about Hitler and said Germany deserved to lose the War. They were court-martialed and convicted, but their sentences were stayed until about month after the War, when Truman ordered them all executed. There were over 500,000 Germans interred in America, mostly in rural areas in the South. All but two were accounted for at the end of the War. None were allowed to remain in America, though thousands of them later returned after immigrating from Germany.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 8:12:31 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: dfwgator

A modest satanic quote? Who knew....


26 posted on 03/03/2013 8:12:51 AM PST by deadrock
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To: PapaBear3625

as the other comment states, the devil won the 20 Century, why?


27 posted on 03/03/2013 8:13:35 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: the scotsman

Anyone interested in The Great Escape should also read The Wooden Horse, about an escape that took place from a different compound at the same prison camp. The phrase “Where there’s a will, there’s a way” certainly comes to mind in thinking about how ingenious these POWs were in coming up with ways to escape.


28 posted on 03/03/2013 8:13:35 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: the scotsman

Note at the end of the story that the men were hanging 8 months after the beginning of their trial.

Even in Texas it’s still 15 years, if not more.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 8:18:26 AM PST by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: muawiyah
My father was a little too old to sign up for WW2. He was a welder so he went to Panama and built ships for the government, why Panama I never asked. Mom and I lived with my aunt and uncle while he was gone. It was after his return and the war ending that I heard about the Jews being starved and killed. I am sure I wasn’t supposed to see the pictures but I peeked. Sad memories for me.
30 posted on 03/03/2013 8:27:34 AM PST by Ditter
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To: the scotsman

bookmark


31 posted on 03/03/2013 8:34:35 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

Once it became known that Kurt Meyer and the 12th SS Panzer Division murdered Canadian prisoners-of-war at the Abbey Ardenne Canadian soldiers seldom took prisoners from the 12th.

Ever hear of the Chenogne massacre ?


32 posted on 03/03/2013 9:03:46 AM PST by Snowyman
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To: drjimmy

The Great Escape, the Wooden Horse, how about the The Colditz Cock?

It was a glider built by British prisoners of war that were being held in Colditz Castle . It was constructed and hidden in an attic and had a 32 foot wing span. The war ended just before it was to have been flown off the roof.


33 posted on 03/03/2013 9:15:05 AM PST by Snowyman
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To: yldstrk

Why everyone focuses on what the Germans did during WWII while ignoring what the Japs did, I will never understand.

Or why it’s never even mentioned that the commies in China and Russia killed 10 times the number of people that the Germans did.

It seems to me that someone has a adgenda to push that demonizing the Germans advances.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 9:27:33 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: C210N

My Father was in Stalag Luft III during the tunneling, but as an American, was moved out of the camp prior to the escape - actually left Jan 28, 1945 for another camp in Nurnberg. I still have his POW log book that the Red Cross provided the men in camps back then - and it’s a fascinating thing to read. He was quite an artist and there’s even a drawing he made of the memorial built in Mar 1944 in an RAF cemetary and dedicated to 50 men killed in the escape from Stalag Luft III in Sagan, Germany. When I was younger, I remember him telling me he participated in the dirt dumping so I believe the portrayal in the movie was accurate as to how it was accomplished.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 9:28:52 AM PST by USNA74
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why everyone focuses on what the Germans did during WWII while ignoring what the Japs did, I will never understand.

Boy, you got that right. The Japs were literally burying people alive in Asia.

I hope those facts are being taught to our kids in the schools. The kids should see photographs of the Chinese people being buried alive by Japs.

The pro-Jap, anti-German biases may be due to the fact that Germans are white.

36 posted on 03/03/2013 9:33:05 AM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

Excellent point!!


37 posted on 03/03/2013 9:36:41 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Snowyman

I hadn’t heard of Chenogne, but I did know one World War II vet who told me that they did not take SS prisoners and did not accept the surrender of German snipers who ran out of ammunition. Surrendering with a full clip was a German soldier’s best life insurance policy.

A Ramagen, after the American crossing of the Rhine, a group of German civilians were hiding in a railroad tunnel. They realized that they were in a tunnel with a bunch railcars containing flammable materials. They decided to surrender to the Americans, and a German railroad worker left the tunnel waving a white flag. The Americans shot him. After they managed to surrender, they asked the Americans why they shot him. The Americans thought he was SS because the railroad uniforms were black, like the SS.

In the final order for Unternehmen Wacht am Rein, Hitler more or less ordered the Wehrmacht not to take prisoners. He wanted the Americans to retaliate by killing German prisoners. Many, if not most, German soldiers realized that the War was lost and they would fair far better surrendering to the Americans than the Russians, and had a better chance of surviving the War in American custody than fighting in the Wehrmacht. Hitler wanted to change this perception. Killing German prisoners served Hitler’s ends. The Germans most inclined to surrender were the least ideological and least inclined to kill American prisoners.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 9:52:56 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: drjimmy

American soldiers have a duty to escape if possible


39 posted on 03/03/2013 9:53:11 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk
All of these groups that embark on grand renovationist projects end up killing a lot of people. Beginning with the Jacobins in the French Revolution and ending with the current crop of Jihadists intent on restoring the Caliphate these projects all require killing a lot of people who are designated ‘enemies of _______ (Fill in the blank). Since the Almighty has given the Homo Sapiens free will these events will reoccur as long as our species is around . It is in our nature to dream this stuff up as part of the basic ‘us versus them’ dynamic.
40 posted on 03/03/2013 10:11:19 AM PST by robowombat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Interestingly at the officer level at any rate there was already in 1945 a clear understanding of what was going to happen when the Reich finally crumbled. US forces reached a stop line about a 100 miles east of the zonal boundaries agreed upon at Yalta in late April. German units were still fighting a very big war to the east with the Soviets right up until the surrender was officially promulgated. In at least the 17th Airborne division it was openly permitted for German units to cross division boundaries and load up on munitions, from overrun German ammo dumps, and head back to resupply units still locked in combat with the Russians. MG Miley made no bones of his detestation of the Soviets and that he believed the US would soon be in some sort of war with them and the Germans (at least a lot of them) would be on our side in that conflict. He was not the only officer that believed that by a long shot.
41 posted on 03/03/2013 10:22:08 AM PST by robowombat
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

One of the saddest things I remember hearing on the radio was a black American talking about how the German prisoner in VA were treated vs. native born blacks.


42 posted on 03/03/2013 10:28:16 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: robowombat

After Hitler’s suicide, Doenitz continued the War against the Russians for another week, and encouraged Germans to evacuate to the West. He prolonged the War for a week to give Germans a chance to get behind the American lines. During the Battle of Berlin, a German army fought, successfully, to create an escape route for the defenders of Berlin. While the Volkssturm and Hitler-Jugend were fighting to the bitter end, the Wehrmacht was struggling to stay out of the hands of the Russians.

If the Germans had done to America what they did to the Russians, there probably wouldn’t be a blade of grass alive in Germany today.


43 posted on 03/03/2013 10:39:06 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why everyone focuses on what the Germans did during WWII while ignoring what the Japs did, I will never understand.

Simple. The Germans filmed their atrocities, we have the images of them embedded into our conscience. The Japanese and Russians were more discreet.

44 posted on 03/03/2013 10:43:11 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Why everyone focuses on what the Germans did during WWII while ignoring what the Japs did, I will never understand.

The victims of the Germans had a lot more kin in Hollywood and academia than the victims of the Japanese and Russians.

45 posted on 03/03/2013 10:47:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Last Dakotan
Very true, but those interred in Germany weren't treated too well.

Rheinwiesenlager

And after the war was over...

Forced Labor of Germans after World War II

In March 1947, an estimated 4,000,000 Germans were being used as forced labour.

Bottom line: War is hell, and losing sucks.

46 posted on 03/03/2013 11:02:51 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke

Germans sure as hell were better off after the war than the Poles were. Germany got the Marshall Plan, Poland got the Marshall Stalin Plan.


47 posted on 03/03/2013 11:04:38 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TexasFreeper2009

If you want to read about being a POW of the Japanese, check out “Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption.” It’s the story of Louis Zamperini, a distance runner who was in the Berlin Olympics and had his hand shaken by Hitler. Later as a bombardier on a B-24 in the Pacific, his plane is shot down and he spends a harrowing 47 days adrift on a raft. When he finally reaches land and is captured by the Japanese, that’s when things really get rough for Louis.


48 posted on 03/03/2013 11:08:23 AM PST by drjimmy
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To: Last Dakotan

My dad was Army and a POW guard in the south for a while during the war. He said the Germans were no trouble. He would deliver them to local farms to help, and pick them up later. And he learned to curse fluently in German.


49 posted on 03/03/2013 11:09:47 AM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Last Dakotan
Oops. interred = interned.
50 posted on 03/03/2013 11:13:24 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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