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WA Legislator: Cyclists increased respiration leads to air pollution" $25 Carbon TAX.
http://bikeportland.org/2013/03/02/wa-legislator-cyclists-increased-respiration-leads-to-air-pollution-83669 ^

Posted on 03/03/2013 9:51:00 AM PST by DaveinOK54

WA Legislator: Cyclists increased respiration leads to air pollution" $25 Carbon TAX. Rep. Ed Orcutt thinks that "bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride" because, "the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider." A high-ranking Washington legislator has added insult to injury in his support for a bike tax by claiming that bicycling is not environmentally friendly because people who ride bikes pollute the air when they breathe. (snip)

Here's the entire text of Orcutt's email:

"I am not a fan of the House Transportation tax proposal, nor of many tax proposals, but I have to admit I think there are valid reasons to tax bicycles. Think about this for a moment: Currently motorists are paying to use their cars on the roads while they are actually driving their cars. At the same time they are paying for bike lanes because there is no gas tax — or any transportation tax — generated by the act of riding on the roadways. So, if cars pay for the roads they are using, it only makes sense that bicyclists would also be required to 'pay' for the roads they use when they are actually biking on them.

Also, you claim that is is environmentally friendly to ride a bike. But if I am not mistaken a cyclists [sic] has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride.

I know, you own a car and drive so you are paying gas tax — but not while you are riding your bike. When you are driving your car and generating gas tax you are also driving on the roads so are only really paying for the roads while driving — not while biking.

Sorry, but I do think that bicyclists need to start paying for the roads they ride on rather than make motorists pay.

Ed


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: airpollution; carbontax; cyclistcarbonrax; cyclistcarbontax
This is sweet....shove it back in their faces.

Hat Tip to:http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?424030-PAY-TO-BREATHE-CYCLISTS-POLLUTE-BY-BREATHING-more-CO2-25-Carbon-Tax.-Runners-next

1 posted on 03/03/2013 9:51:05 AM PST by DaveinOK54
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To: DaveinOK54

“Let’s NOT move”....and save the world !!


2 posted on 03/03/2013 9:53:34 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DaveinOK54

He owns stock in a company that manufactures re-breathers


3 posted on 03/03/2013 9:54:52 AM PST by dontreadthis
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To: Sacajaweau

We have miles and miles of paved bike paths....but I’ve only seen two bikes in 2 years.


4 posted on 03/03/2013 9:55:05 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: DaveinOK54

They are need to consume more calories due to the exercising, straining the world’s food supply and driving up prices for the 3rd world populations who are barely getting by.


5 posted on 03/03/2013 9:55:05 AM PST by Kenny500c
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To: DaveinOK54

I hope he’s just using sarcasm to prove a point.


6 posted on 03/03/2013 9:58:41 AM PST by Tea Party Terrorist (Those who work for a living are now outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: DaveinOK54

I think we should tax ALL exercise. Tennis, jogging, swimming, people who go to health clubs, etc. Even larger taxes for NFL and NBA. I was going to say MLB and golf but they don’t move very much.

All of these people breath TOO MUCH!


7 posted on 03/03/2013 10:02:14 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DaveinOK54

It’s hard to believe people are this stupid....harder to believe they get elected. ..


8 posted on 03/03/2013 10:02:14 AM PST by Popman
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

Politicians do not suggest more taxes to make a sarcastic point.

Next they will have a sex tax for the reason that it raises your breathing rate.

I wish they would put a tax on political speeches...that REALLY raises the hot air index.


9 posted on 03/03/2013 10:03:43 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Sacajaweau
We have miles and miles of paved bike paths....but I’ve only seen two bikes in 2 years.

Around here they now call them "multi-purpose" paths since walkers, dog walkers, joggers, and baby strollers have taken them over, they've become too dangerous for bike riding.

The bikes have moved back into the streets.

Another one of those great ideas that didn't work out in a lot of places.

10 posted on 03/03/2013 10:06:31 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DaveinOK54

It is not entirely true that cycleists don’t pay for roads. Most of them own a car and drive on occasion. There are taxes paid on those vehicles that are not being used. Bikes also apply less road wear than cars.

There was a time when many cities had bike licensing and taxes. Mainly at times when the bicycle was a more important mode of transportation.

I ride quite a bit (4000 miles in the last year). My car is parked for most of the summer.

Would the application of a tax or license really be worth it. I would imagine that it would be costly to try to implement with so few people actually riding. I would not necessarily be opposed to it but I don’t know what true benefit would be gained.


11 posted on 03/03/2013 10:09:08 AM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I think we should tax ALL exercise

Especially Jumping to Conclusions. Its the worst exercise of all../sarc

12 posted on 03/03/2013 10:09:24 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Stillwaters

How long can you hold your breath?


13 posted on 03/03/2013 10:11:50 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: DaveinOK54

Heart rate and respiration goes up when having sex - tax that too.


14 posted on 03/03/2013 10:13:48 AM PST by glorgau
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To: pennyfarmer

We have bike licenses here. Some years ago, a girl and her mom accused our daughter of stealing her bike. My wife went home (while friends of ours stayed behind), got the papers, came back, and showed the girl and mom the number on the papers that matched the sticker on the bottom of the bike. We told them to call the cops if that wasn’t enough proof. They left.

Sure, you can scrape the sticker off, but then there’s the stamped on serial number that’s also recorded on the papers. Worked out well for us.


15 posted on 03/03/2013 10:18:04 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DaveinOK54

A dark look into the in-f*****g-sanity of the liberal mindset. These flaming liberal POS bastards actually want to tax the air that you breathe, solely because of the money you short them by not driving! I bet any mafia member or gangbanger dreams of the kind of bullsh!t shakedown rackets that the government can get away with.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 10:21:47 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Don Corleone

Wow. I thought people would recognize sarcasm without being told. /s /s


17 posted on 03/03/2013 10:23:45 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: DaveinOK54
We need to seriously consider ways to limit the taxing power of Legislatures. It should be obvious to any dumb-head here and there that legislators cannot stop taxing and spending.
18 posted on 03/03/2013 10:32:13 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Kenny500c
They are need to consume more calories due to the exercising, straining the world’s food supply and driving up prices for the 3rd world populations who are barely getting by.

Don't forget that all that exercise usually translates into a longer life spent consuming more resources.

19 posted on 03/03/2013 10:35:40 AM PST by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: DaveinOK54

So tax politicians 100% of their salaries, for all the hot air they emit.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 10:37:17 AM PST by Thud
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To: Popman

See Post #6


21 posted on 03/03/2013 10:38:30 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: DaveinOK54

BICYCLE RIGHTS !!!

22 posted on 03/03/2013 10:43:06 AM PST by llevrok (Keep your arms out. It makes it harder for them to throw a net over you.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
Wow. I thought people would recognize sarcasm without being told. /s /s

I have always thought the fact that humor and sarcasm run rampant throughout FreeRepublic people would think before they comment. Fake outrage is not limited to the left.

23 posted on 03/03/2013 10:43:29 AM PST by Starstruck (I need a 30 round magazine because liberal whine gives me a buzz.)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

I hope he’s just using sarcasm to prove a point.


From the dawn of time Politicians, Emperors, Dictators, Kings, Chieftains, Warlords, have wanted power, control and the ability to take everything that the people under their control possess.

Taxation is a favored tool. The saying is that have strived to tax everything but the are we breathe and they have succeded in that goal.

They now are moving on to the end game and actually are moving to tax the air we breathe


24 posted on 03/03/2013 10:54:26 AM PST by rdcbn
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To: DaveinOK54

Respiration carries with it two products of metabolism, whether or not the human body is being exercised - carbon dioxide and water vapor. NEITHER ONE OF THESE COMPOUNDS ARE POLLUTION.

The very basis of life is the ready conversion of these two compounds into carbohydrates and free oxygen. There is, in fact, no possible situation where, in the presence of living plants, the carbon dioxide level could EVER rise high enough to render even minimal distress to animal life, and this includes human beings.

Without carbon dioxide, there would never have been any free oxygen in the atmosphere. Oxygen is the second most active element on the periodic table, and by far the most corrosive in nature. Only one element is more reactive than oxygen.

And that element is fluorine. There is just never any free fluorine, ever, for more than just a few minutes in the atmosphere, even after producing it by chemical means, because fluorine breaks down water on coming into contact, into hydrofluoric acid and nascent oxygen. Nobody has even ever SMELLED fluorine, as its effects are so deadly that it destroys the moisture in the tissues of sensory organs that detect odor. For that reason alone, perhaps there is no place in the Universe where the conversion of fluorine to fluorides could ever be the basis of life.

But oxygen can and does convert widely from oxide form to free oxygen, and is even relatively stable for a while as the oxygen gas. But in the absence of even minute amounts of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, would soon mean there was no free oxygen, as it would be combining with just about every other element out there if there were no carbon available, and soon used up as a part of the atmosphere.

There is no escape from the simple fact - carbon dioxide is every bit as essential to our very survival as sunlight and water.

It is criminal to restrict the free production of carbon dioxide, and great harm would come in its absence.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 10:56:56 AM PST by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: Sacajaweau

Or as the Human Extinction Movement would say:

“Let’s NOT breathe”....and save the world !!


26 posted on 03/03/2013 10:57:17 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Tea Party Terrorist

This is part of a proposed transportation tax package here in WA. The idea of a $25 license fee for bicycles that sell for more than $500 is to help pay for the building and maintenance of bike lanes, paths, trails, etc. that are funded by our gas tax. It’s about damn time they help pay their own way. Have you ever seen what The anarchists Critical Mass can do?

The law would also increase the current state fuel tax by an additional 10 cents per gallon on our already obscene 37.5 cent tax which has made us #9 in the U.S., as well as adding more to the cost of vehicle tabs and processing fees. Our legislature has never seen a gas tax increase they didn’t like.


27 posted on 03/03/2013 11:16:13 AM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: beelzepug

So is this a one time sales tax on bikes > $500 or an annual tax?


28 posted on 03/03/2013 11:25:19 AM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: DaveinOK54

In a just world, this statist piee of filth would have a plastic bag duct-taped over his head and thus be allowed to experience the “justice” he so craves.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 11:36:51 AM PST by Noumenon (One individual with courage, determination and a rifle can change the course of history.)
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To: DaveinOK54

I know Ed Orcutt personally and love that he is throwing this back in their faces.

Another way to put it, isn’t it time they “paid their fair share?” ;-)


30 posted on 03/03/2013 11:40:54 AM PST by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: DaveinOK54

For those who can’t see the sarcasm in Ed’s email;

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Feb. 20, 2013
CONTACT: Brendon Wold, Senior Information Officer – (360) 786-7698

Rep. Ed Orcutt – (360) 786-7812

House Republican transportation leader comments on House Democrat plan to make Washington state highest gas tax in the nation

‘We need to see how we can make our tax dollars go further, before we reach further into taxpayers’ pockets,’ says Orcutt

Rep. Ed Orcutt, R-Kalama, and the ranking Republican on the House Transportation Committee, issued the following statement today regarding a House Democrat proposal to make Washington state’s gas tax the highest in the nation:

“With prior tax increases, our state built an off-ramp in the wrong place, a ferry that doesn’t work well in Puget Sound and faulty pontoons that may jeopardize the new 520 Bridge project.

“Now, House Democrats want to charge Washington drivers the highest gas tax in the nation at nearly 48-cents-per-gallon, more than doubling it since 2003. When you include federal taxes, Washington drivers would be paying 66 cents in state and federal taxes for every gallon of gas they purchase.

“In addition, we need to stop paying for construction projects over a 30-year period when the jobs they create usually only last for five or ten. We can’t continue down this road of failure and lack of accountability.

“House Republicans understand there are maintenance demands and new projects needed in the future. But any debate on transportation must begin with reforms, not tax increases on struggling workers and families, and not new project lists to entice votes in the Legislature.

“The reforms needed are not just transportation reforms, but economic reforms. The reality is people can’t afford more at the pump right now – especially those out of work or who have to commute long distances because their communities have been decimated by the economy and land-use restrictions.

“Before we even entertain the idea of a gas tax increase, we want to talk about transportation and economic reforms. We will talk more about these reforms next week. If the Democrats are willing to have this discussion, we are willing to work with them.

“We need to see how we can make our tax dollars go further, before we reach further into taxpayers’ pockets.”
For more information, visit our Web site at: www.houserepublicans.wa.gov.

http://houserepublicans.wa.gov/news/house-republican-transportation-leader-comments-on-house-democrat-plan-to-make-washington-state-highest-gas-tax-in-the-nation/


31 posted on 03/03/2013 11:52:48 AM PST by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: pennyfarmer
I would not necessarily be opposed to it but I don’t know what true benefit would be gained.

The benefit would be that the government would have a little more control over you and get a little deeper in your pocket. The police would have another excuse to pull you over and check your papers - bike registration etc. For your own safety of course.

32 posted on 03/03/2013 12:05:22 PM PST by Chuckster (The longer I live the less I care about what you think.)
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To: DaveinOK54

don’t forget farts. It can be hell not being the lead rider.


33 posted on 03/03/2013 12:08:07 PM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: DaveinOK54

“If you drive a car, I’ll tax the street,
If you try to sit, I’ll tax your seat.
If you get too cold I’ll tax the heat,
If you take a walk, I’ll tax your feet.”

Y’all thought the Beatles were joking.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 12:11:24 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: DaveinOK54

zombies feasting on zombies. kind of a poetic justice change.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 12:20:06 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: pennyfarmer
Would the application of a tax or license really be worth it. I would imagine that it would be costly to try to implement with so few people actually riding. I would not necessarily be opposed to it but I don’t know what true benefit would be gained.

Taxes are no longer applied to raise revenue or cover costs fairly. Taxes are a form of punishment and retribution. Bicyclists are no more immune than anyone else.

36 posted on 03/03/2013 12:23:44 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: morphing libertarian

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsowLJU1GGM


37 posted on 03/03/2013 12:26:34 PM PST by DakotaRed (Why not just pass a law requiring criminals to obey the laws?)
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To: DaveinOK54
This picture of him just screams epic sanctimonious douche.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 12:27:54 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: old curmudgeon
Next they will have a sex tax for the reason that it raises your breathing rate.

Well it certainly would make the job of an IRS auditor mor interesting.

Monty Python's tax on "thingy"

39 posted on 03/03/2013 12:33:58 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: dontreadthis

Do you know this or are you guessing this? Not that I’d be surprised, of course.


40 posted on 03/03/2013 12:34:50 PM PST by Lizavetta (You get what you tolerate)
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To: beelzepug

I am not sure about where you live but here in Utah there are a few bike paths. One in particular is currently 40 miles long. I ride it quite often.

I like having the paths to ride but I don’t really know what the costs or benefits are for having them. I don’t think they help car traffic because they often run along areas that they managed to secure land not necessarily along normal travel routs. The rails to trails program is one of the biggest organizations for these things cause they can take a RR right of way and make a long trail.

I also commute by bike but there are no trails that I can utilize and most of the ride is on shoulder less rural roads.

I wish we could say that the paths reduce traffic by “X” but I don’t think they do a blessed thing. Not sure how they can justify using gas taxes to build them. The bike lanes are a joke cause I often have to dodge garbage cans and other debris that are either parked in them or tossed into them.

I just wish that both users can respect each other without all the “I’m better than you” attitudes. I often times stop to help stranded motorists cause I generally have more tools than they do. :)


41 posted on 03/03/2013 12:41:52 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: Lizavetta

Read post 31 and get back to us.

Your sarcasm meter is broken.


42 posted on 03/03/2013 12:49:48 PM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: DaveinOK54

I want to start an initiative
to change our state name to “Taxes”.

Also,our state song should be “Everybody must get stoned”


43 posted on 03/03/2013 12:53:31 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?)
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To: Lizavetta

maybe “/s” should not be discretionary


44 posted on 03/03/2013 12:59:33 PM PST by dontreadthis
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To: DaveinOK54
I love it. Those Spandex-clad potential roadkill require me to hit the turbo and cover them all up with diesel exhaust while they are also worrying about the proximity of my side mirrors and bumpers.

Roads are for motorized vehicles. These jokers need to take their toys to the bike paths and stay off the roads.

45 posted on 03/03/2013 1:14:40 PM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: nascarnation

Annual. Just like renewing your car tabs every year.


46 posted on 03/03/2013 2:54:44 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: pennyfarmer

I do understand your point but here’s my beef. I own a car, a pickup, and a motorcycle. I can’t operate all three at the same time but I still have to buy a license for all three at full price. I ride the motorcycle more during summer months, the car when my wife and I go somewhere together, and the pickup when I need to haul something.


47 posted on 03/03/2013 3:04:44 PM PST by beelzepug (Telling other people they need to die is a good way to get your own lamp blown out.)
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To: beelzepug

I never said I thought it was fair. I think that bike users could stand to shoulder some of the responsibility for roads. I am not sure what that looks like. I do know that there is an organized volunteer effort that looks pretty good on the outside that involves cyclists putting forth the hours to improve trails.

If things continue status quo with cars paying for the bike lanes then I can’t say I am too sorry. Other than I am using both ends. I just don’t understand how it can continue, other than the liberals are in charge.


48 posted on 03/03/2013 5:35:20 PM PST by pennyfarmer (Your socialist beat our liberal AGAIN.)
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To: DaveinOK54

I have been saying they need to pay $1000 per year for road tax. They have all the rights, and more, with the right to ride on any street and they get a 3 foot clearance. Time for them to pay for the roads they have stolen.


49 posted on 03/03/2013 6:31:30 PM PST by I_be_tc
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