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Demographic research on lesbians and gays emerges from shadows
Washington Post ^ | March 1, 2013 | Carol Morello

Posted on 03/03/2013 10:02:56 AM PST by neverdem

A few salient facts are known about the Americans whose lives might be changed by a Supreme Court ruling on same-sex marriage expected this summer.

About one in five gay and lesbian couples are raising children that are under age 18. Same-sex couples are less likely than traditional married couples to have health insurance covering them both. One in 10 men with a male partner or spouse is a military veteran. As many as 6 million Americans, roughly 2 percent of the population, have a parent who is lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender.

These nuggets of demographic insight into same-sex couples were contained in an amicus brief filed last week in connection with two cases before the Supreme Court on the constitutionality of California’s gay marriage ban and the Defense of Marriage Act...

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Some of the controversy is rooted in a study done in the late 1940s. Sexologist Alfred Kinsey wrote in a passing reference that 10 percent of men had had same-sex experiences. That figure has stuck, in part, according to Gates, because gay activists cited it to make the case they could not be ignored.

Some opponents of gay marriage also say more research should be done into gay demographics, in part to correct common misperceptions on the size of the gay community. In several surveys, Gallup has found that Americans believe, on average, that 25 percent of the population is gay, several times higher than any research estimate.

“I think serious data on this is important to inform the debate,” said Peter Sprigg, a senior fellow at the Family Research Council, which has argued that same-sex marriage is harmful to society. “People have an exaggerated view of how many homosexuals there are in the population. They don’t realize what a relatively small population it is.”...

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A lot of the so called LGBT research will be getting exposed as BS, IMHO.
1 posted on 03/03/2013 10:03:06 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Just for the record, is there any documentation that “divorced gays” in the states that have gay marriage are actually paying child support or alimony? Also are the courts awarding estates to the surviving “spouse” against the claims of biological relations when a will is not explicit?


2 posted on 03/03/2013 10:12:45 AM PST by allendale
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To: neverdem

Every court in the land can say what they want about about gays, I don’t care. I will never accept it as normal or acceptable. And they can’t make me.


3 posted on 03/03/2013 10:13:27 AM PST by jakota (jakota)
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To: neverdem
20% are raising kids....BS

These are people with other problems and I also believe...unusually selfish.

Tell me the suicide rate.

Tell me how many partners they have had.

Tell me how many houses with the white picket fence they own.

Tell me their life is REALLY like the lives of man/woman lives. BS

4 posted on 03/03/2013 10:14:10 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: neverdem
"Gathering data about gay people is much more complex than asking about race or income. Should people be asked about their sexual attractions, behavior or identity? Which of the many synonyms for gays should be used?"

Gosh, how can these brain-teasers be solved?

5 posted on 03/03/2013 10:15:03 AM PST by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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To: neverdem

Why wouldn’t your average sheeple believe the population is 25% homosexual. Every tv show has at least one queer character who is wealthy, healthy, and all around good. When you have a population that opiates its sad existance with copious amounts of television, it is easy to tell “the big lie.”


6 posted on 03/03/2013 10:19:37 AM PST by RightOnTheBorder
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks neverdem.
About one in five gay and lesbian couples are raising children that are under age 18. Same-sex couples are less likely than traditional married couples to have health insurance covering them both.
[Lesbian comic in the future] "I'm not going to not get married again, I'm going to find another lesbian I don't like, and not give her a house."

(please, don't say "rimshot" right now)


7 posted on 03/03/2013 10:22:34 AM PST by SunkenCiv (with apologies to the late Lewis Grizzard)
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(single mom)
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=pv&GRid=2641&PIpi=79319


8 posted on 03/03/2013 10:23:24 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Sacajaweau

If I can remember a conversation with a Sociology professor friend of mine, the average life span of a gay male was 63 years of age; even excluding those who died of AIDES. The suicide rate is 3 times higher and the number of sexual partners per year was over 20. Lesbians had an average life span but a slightly higher suicide rate. Lesbians also tended to have very few sexual partners.


9 posted on 03/03/2013 10:29:48 AM PST by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: neverdem
science doesn’t always find everything that fits a particular political agenda

In the early 90's, a French survey found 2 % homosexual orientation as a long-lasting trait. This was at a time homosexual activists in the US were pushing beyond 10% to 15 % as the prevalence. I assumed that 2 % figure was correct, as I assumed the French culture didn't include a supposedly punishing and politically powerful "religious right" that would suppress honest responses. Now the science that is supposed to be so convincing to the public that believes 25% are homosexual is "they are born that way." The "science" evidence that so many accept is summarized,"who would be that way if they had a choice ?"

10 posted on 03/03/2013 10:35:33 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Sacajaweau

I can believe the 20% number. If half of all homosexuals are female and half of those have a biological child, that’s 25%.


11 posted on 03/03/2013 10:38:01 AM PST by tbw2
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To: tbw2

America is doomed I tell ya.


12 posted on 03/03/2013 10:54:01 AM PST by bicyclerepair (Zombies Eat Brains. Half of FL is safe.)
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To: neverdem

The 1940 studies that found such a high percent gay were looking at prison population and said that the general population was the same.


13 posted on 03/03/2013 10:55:20 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: neverdem
queers, male or female, are the most unhappy lot i have ever seen...
14 posted on 03/03/2013 10:56:18 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SunkenCiv

15 posted on 03/03/2013 11:02:45 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: tbw2

I read somewhere that the number of male homosexuals far outnumbers the lesbians.
which if it is true is odd.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 11:06:16 AM PST by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: neverdem

I have 5 kids the youngest daughter, 26, is gay.
She is a hard working, kind, brilliant, creative and a highly successful person in our society.

She is loved deeply by all in our family as they know she does not want to be gay, has had a couple of relationships with men that lasted a couple years each, nice young men who treated her as she deserved knowing she is a gentle soul. They both still love her and she cares for them.

She and I are very close. No matter how much she wants to be normal, a man does not attract her in the same way physically that a women does. She hates it, wants to be able to have kids in a normal environment, knows this will be impossible.

I have been a Freeper for years and know I will get hammered for saying I believe that some are born the way they are, with an attraction that is not as simple as it is for you or even me for that matter. I love a woman and a woman’s body above all.
Men don’t attract me - it is that simple.

My youngest has now become interested in the possibility that there is a God and how he manifests himself in this world. I pray she will find peace with herself through him.

She participates in NO pro gay agenda and puts all her energy into loving her family and working hard.

Unlike most people, she is unusually deaf to gossip, heavy handed opinions, hatreds, bigotry, swearing or other things negative.

Please don’t hate my kid.


17 posted on 03/03/2013 11:13:34 AM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

I don’t hate your kid. I wonder if you have prayed for your child and brought her up to know Jesus?

Why not try that?


18 posted on 03/03/2013 11:15:58 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Truth2012

“My youngest has now become interested in the possibility that there is a God and how he manifests himself in this world. I pray she will find peace with herself through him.”

Maybe you missed this line.

We have always prayed for all of our children and yours.

Any prayers from you would be appreciated


19 posted on 03/03/2013 11:24:00 AM PST by jcon40
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To: School of Rational Thought

One of our talented friends should put a beard on that Mooch.


20 posted on 03/03/2013 11:30:06 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: jcon40
She and I are very close. No matter how much she wants to be normal, a man does not attract her in the same way physically that a women does. She hates it, wants to be able to have kids in a normal environment, knows this will be impossible.

In my younger days, I had a couple of girlfriends who were bi-sexual (not at the same time). I did not mind if they had relations with other girls the way I would have if they saw another guy. Perhaps your daughter will find a man willing to be her husband and father of her children, and be understanding of how she is.

Is she attracted by men at all, or is it just that she's attracted by women more?

21 posted on 03/03/2013 11:34:19 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: jcon40

Thank you for your respectful, intelligent and compassionate post. I most certainly do not hate your lovely daughter; she deserves understanding and love. Moreover I rejoice that she is seeking a “higher power.”

I do not know what factor(s), genetic, environmental or a combination lead to homosexuality. I also have a family member, raised in a very devout Catholic family (I am also a practicing Catholic), who is gay. However I do believe that homosexuality is an abnormality, just as depression is an abnormality. Fortunately depression has multiple modes of therapy while I am unaware that homosexuality has any.

But I am firmly and uncompromisingly opposed to gay marriage for many reasons. But you have my sympathy.

I expect to be flamed.


22 posted on 03/03/2013 11:37:36 AM PST by conservativehistorian (civilizational suicide continues)
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To: PapaBear3625

You got it. She is attracted to some men and men absolutely to her as she is a knockout like her mom. She’s just more attracted to women and wishes it wasn’t that way.


23 posted on 03/03/2013 11:38:37 AM PST by jcon40
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To: jcon40

I did miss that. You should rest, knowing you have done everything you can do, and keep praying and yes, I will gladly pray for her.

Homosexuality is a sin, like gluttony, drunkenness, greed and other lusts, and as always we love the sinner and hate the sin.

We are all going to have to face our temptations and surrender them to God- and He will bring us to our knees to do it, right?

I don’t believe that people are born to be alchololics or obese, but that they are trapped in a yoke that they have not figured out how to hand over to Jesus to break.

May God bring you, and your family, deep peace and joy.


24 posted on 03/03/2013 11:40:41 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: jcon40

I don’t hate your daughter. Over the years I have known some very decent people who are gay. I mean that, leaving the sexual issues aside, you would rather have them around you than 95% of the rest of the people in the world. And you could leave the sexual issues aside, because it wasn’t something they pushed at you, though they were different degrees of “out.”

Some people are born that way, imo, there is some kind of miswiring in the brain. The moral and religious and political question is how we expect people to live with that miswiring. The Left says, how dare we call it miswiring.

In particular, a substantial number of lesbians have common facial features - a short high-bridged nose, rather broad apple cheeks, a determined chin. A greater proportion of lesbians than other women are afflicted with polycystic ovarian syndrome, which produces masculinizing hormones.

Another thing I’ve noticed is that many men exhibit a rather deeply held revulsion against a certain physical type - think how Reno, Shalala, Albright, Napolitano, Kagan, are treated here - it’s more than just their politics that sets men off. Some young women may retreat to the company of other women in the face of such rejection.


25 posted on 03/03/2013 11:44:58 AM PST by heartwood
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To: neverdem; Revolting cat!; wagglebee
About one in five gay and lesbian couples are raising children that are under age 18

How many gay-lesbian couples can there even be? Don't they pair up gay-gay, lesbian-lesbian?

And how many gay-gay couples are training, I mean raising, someone else's kid with their knowledge?

26 posted on 03/03/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: Truth2012

“May God bring you, and your family, deep peace and joy.”

And to you and your family too.

Thank you


27 posted on 03/03/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by jcon40
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To: neverdem
Gallup has found that Americans believe, on average, that 25 percent of the population is gay...

With over 25% representation in newsrooms and Hollywood (sometimes closeted) and open activism in that agenda in media, corporate liberal "diversity"/political re-education training, and academia, the misunderstanding by the ill informed public is understandable.

28 posted on 03/03/2013 11:57:25 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: neverdem

Wow. How enlightening! I’m so glad the Washington Compost uncovered this. Now, how about those statistics on AIDS, or life expectancy, drug use, alcoholism? It also won’t be reported that a small minority of homosexuals actually engage in monogamous relationships, most preferring anonymous sex, or polyamorous engagements. This is the real problem. The vocal homosexuals paint some sort of ‘quaint’ image of the lifestyle, knowing full well that the majority of their cohorts are involved with things the public would be disgusted with.


29 posted on 03/03/2013 12:02:59 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: heartwood

“....there is some kind of miswiring in the brain”

That is the way we have begun to maybe try to understand her. She sees it the same as she struggles so much in not wanting to be the way she is.

I’d post a picture of her but not that adept at it. She does have a somewhat wide face but you would definitely not pick her out of a line up as a lesbian as she is strikingly beautiful.

She should have been a boy with the throwing arm, hitting eye and pair of hands she had athletically. That fact threw her into women’s sports and the association with the more hardcore looking women you mention.

One thing for sure about her. No one that has ever come to know her has anything but kind words about what kind of person she is. A lesson for the rest of us as she has a heart of gold...... thanks Heartwood


30 posted on 03/03/2013 12:03:28 PM PST by jcon40
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To: neverdem
Gallup has found that Americans believe, on average, that 25 percent of the population is gay, several times higher than any research estimate.

Maybe because roughly 1 in 4 characters on TV is a GiBLeT. Few shows are without at least a token deviate. <

31 posted on 03/03/2013 12:05:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: squarebarb
16 I read somewhere that the number of male homosexuals far outnumbers the lesbians. Which if it is true is odd.

1994 - Edward O. Laumann’s book, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States, was published. It has since become the most accepted study on the incidence of homosexuality in the U.S. population. The National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS) found that 2.8% of the male and 1.4% of the female population identified themselves as homosexual, lesbian, or bisexual.

10/08/2002 – A Gallup Poll reported that Americans estimated 21% of men were homosexuals and 22% of women were lesbians.

10/18/2012 – A Gallup Poll, the largest of its kind on record (more than 121,000 adults surveyed) revealed that only 3.4% of American adults publicly identified themselves as lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender, with the highest percentage coming among the younger, less-educated non-whites. The percentage of self-reported LGBTQ Americans was much smaller than the general impression derived from their presence in popular culture and their perceived influence in liberal American politics.

32 posted on 03/03/2013 12:07:26 PM PST by MacNaughton
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To: neverdem
One in 10 men with a male partner or spouse is a military veteran.

That has to be absolute BS. 10% of homos are veterans?

Someone is cooking the books with this to push their agenda.

33 posted on 03/03/2013 12:20:27 PM PST by doorgunner69
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To: jcon40

Well. Let’s leave your daughter’s photo off FR because there are some nasty people here.

There are many people with miswiring of one kind of another - my son has Asperger’s; I battle depression. God permitted it, but I don’t think it’s good, although with His help we may bring good out of it.


34 posted on 03/03/2013 12:22:52 PM PST by heartwood
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To: jcon40

I don’t think anyone (well anyone normal) hates your daughter.

My wife has a problem with alcohol. If she drinks, she gets drunk. She likes it. She’d do this every day, if she could.

It got so bad it was a problem with her getting up in the AM and doing what she is supposed to do. She would fight and generally be a bitch when drunk.

In short, she has a weakness for alcohol —— just like her father, her sister, and a bunch of her relatives.

We cut out the booze pretty much from our lives. (She can be a social drinker at a party and reighns it in in public -— 2 drinks, tops, MAYBE once a month.)

It was tough and unpleasant.

I view “gayness” like alcoholism. The weakness may be genetic. It may be a habit. It may just be that way.

But it’s distructive and disruptive.

And your daughter can over come it, and should, just like my wife over came drinking.

The problem so many people have with the gay agenda is they purport that it is normal and should be celebrated.

No, it’s not. It’s a disorder and not normal.

It doesn’t mean the person afflicted by it is a bad person.

It means they have a weakness or problem with which people should help.


35 posted on 03/03/2013 12:32:58 PM PST by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: conservativehistorian

There are many organizastions that help people change from the “gay” life. The success rate is not 100% but it is substation, if a homosexual is not happy and wants to change. Many have become normal and raise families and marry; others remain celibate and are comfortable with that.

I can find a list of such organizatiosn if you want; some are faith based and some are secular. NARTH has a lot of info.

No one is born homosexual; no research however agenda driven by homosexual activists has ever been able to find any genetic or other phsyical connection.

People can and do change - either with help or sometimes totally on their own.


36 posted on 03/03/2013 12:46:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: jcon40

Unlike most people, she is unusually deaf to gossip, heavy handed opinions, hatreds, bigotry, swearing or other things negative. Please don’t hate my kid.


Sexual identity is a choice.. What one chooses is what one chooses..
Why they choose what they choose can be mysterious but it is so just the same..
Some like this....... others like that......

I don’t like eggplant.. don’t really know why!... but I don’t..
Will eat it.. but only to be social.. others love the taste of it..

I suppose I could learn to like it ( IF ) I didn’t have so many other “better” options..

I am a man and can see that some women appreciate(understand) the beauty of women...

What is hard for me to understand is how other women see the beauty(sexually) in MEN!.. I do not see that..

It must be the eggplant thing.. sorta..
Oh!.. I’m not embarrassed that I do not like eggplant.. nor am I proud of it..

Just a personal choice.. (prison) could change that..
Under right circumstances I might eat eggplant and be happy for the chance.. if hungry enough..


Note: Did I say anything?..


37 posted on 03/03/2013 12:57:58 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: neverdem

“In several surveys, Gallup has found that Americans believe, on average, that 25 percent of the population is gay, several times higher than any research estimate.”

Gee, I wonder how that happened. May be it was the day when
they said Homophobia was abnormal behavior and homosexuality
is normal and necessary for the survival of the human species. It could be that homosexuality is natures way of
weeding out the human gene pool. But when the government
promotes it, it is genocide. Don’t ask me whats on my mind.
I don’t know, it’s just my attempt to see any useful
purpose in it.


38 posted on 03/03/2013 1:16:58 PM PST by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: jcon40
You got it. She is attracted to some men and men absolutely to her as she is a knockout like her mom. She’s just more attracted to women and wishes it wasn’t that way.

OK. I find the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders more attractive than my wife. That doesn't mean I'm going to leave her to hook up with somebody I find more attractive. It's called being an adult.

39 posted on 03/03/2013 1:28:04 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625

If you thought one of the “tight ends” for the Dallas Cowboys was attractive I’d be more worried about you.


40 posted on 03/03/2013 1:47:53 PM PST by jcon40
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To: neverdem
Queers: "We are the 3.4%."
41 posted on 03/03/2013 2:31:48 PM PST by upchuck (nobama fact #69: For each job created by the nobama administration, 75 people went on food stamps.)
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To: neverdem

Were any of my tax dollars spent on this stupid research?


42 posted on 03/03/2013 5:35:30 PM PST by SisterK (Bill Whittle for president)
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To: jcon40

Please don’t fall for the Leftist slander that conservatives hate homosexuals. That notion is used by the Left as a way of avoiding honest debate about the issue. Most conservatives believe in “live and let live,” and
conservative Christians are called to love our neighbors as ourselves.

Speaking for myself, what I hate is the way our society is being brainwashed into believing that the disorder of same sex attraction is not a disorder at all, but rather just another flavor of normal. As a Catholic, I believe that there is nothing sinful in being attracted to somebody of the same sex and that acting upon homosexual urges is a very grave sin. But forcing people to accept a mental illness such as homosexuality as normal and healthy exceeds sinfulness. It is evil.

I doubt that you will get hammered around here for loving your daughter and believing that she was born the way she is. But if you do, we have your back.

Regards,
Jeff


43 posted on 03/03/2013 5:40:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey Jeff!
I was reading the responses from the woman whose daughter is day and ended up thinking the same thing that you so eloquently stated.

What also strikes me is that we have a hot-button issue that is discussed here using respectful tones, overwhelmingly, and kindness and decency. I can only imagine what the response would be like at the Daily Kos or Democrat Underground if there was an anguished posting about a child who is gay... I can imagine the vitriol, the swearing, the personal attacks.

Which, by the way, is both a strength and weakness. The same emotional crudeness which propels the left makes them berserkers in political battle, while we are thinking about the humanity of our opposition. It’s something I’ve seen ever since I became aware of the conservative-left split back in the Reagan years. Our decency makes us easy targets, and our moral virtue makes it tough for us to respond in kind to attacks.

God help us.


44 posted on 03/03/2013 10:07:35 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey Jeff!
I was reading the responses from the woman whose daughter is gay and ended up thinking the same thing that you so eloquently stated.

What also strikes me is that we have a hot-button issue that is discussed here using respectful tones, overwhelmingly, and kindness and decency. I can only imagine what the response would be like at the Daily Kos or Democrat Underground if there was an anguished posting about a child who is gay... I can imagine the vitriol, the swearing, the personal attacks.

Which, by the way, is both a strength and weakness. The same emotional crudeness which propels the left makes them berserkers in political battle, while we are thinking about the humanity of our opposition. It’s something I’ve seen ever since I became aware of the conservative-left split back in the Reagan years. Our decency makes us easy targets, and our moral virtue makes it tough for us to respond in kind to attacks.

God help us.


45 posted on 03/03/2013 10:08:19 PM PST by redpoll
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To: jcon40

>> Please don’t hate my kid.

No one hates your daughter.

The issue is statism and the Leftist goal to subordinate individual rights. Forcing the citizens to support and service homosexual behavior is just another step towards the goal of communism. The Left is exploiting homosexuality.


46 posted on 03/03/2013 10:30:47 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: jcon40
My youngest has now become interested in the possibility that there is a God and how he manifests himself in this world.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

She is in her 20s and just now is becoming interested in the possibility that there is a God?

Did she attend government K-12 schools?

47 posted on 03/03/2013 11:09:16 PM PST by wintertime
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To: jcon40
That fact threw her into women’s sports and the association with the more hardcore looking women you mention.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I read Tammy Bruce's book ( who is a lesbian), and she states that in nearly all cases of homosexuality there has been childhood sexual abuse.

48 posted on 03/03/2013 11:18:22 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Wouldn’t Tammy Bruce be better off getting therapy to deal with the abuse rather than just choosing to be gay?

That seems like a better long-term solution.


49 posted on 03/04/2013 4:49:30 AM PST by webstersII
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To: hosepipe

Your Posting reminds me of what Crassus said to Antoninus in the movie Spartacus: “My tastes include snails and oysters....eh Antoninus?....Antoninus!?”

I hope your tastes will never evolve into liking both Kiwi Fruit and Egg Plant! (snicker :} )


50 posted on 03/04/2013 5:03:37 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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