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Guns, violence and mental health; a psychiatrist's perspective <liberal talking points alert>
Seacoast Online ^ | March 3, 2013 | Leonard Korn, M.D.

Posted on 03/03/2013 10:08:09 AM PST by freeandfreezing

"So we definitely need a background checking system that really works to keep guns away from the dangerously mentally ill and felons. We could also require locked gun cases and gunlocks. We also need guns to be registered in each state, with registrations periodically renewed. Guns are as dangerous as cars: We need to license them just like automobiles."

"We can and should also make the firepower of semi-automatic guns less lethal by reducing the allowable magazines to seven or 10 bullets. Indeed, reducing the size of the magazines of these guns may be more feasible than eliminating all semi-automatic assault rifles and pistols. We could even require buy-back of magazines larger than the seven- or 10-bullet limit thereby making our streets, schools, homes and offices just a little bit safer. Larger magazines should be reserved for our military and police."

(Excerpt) Read more at seacoastonline.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
A psychiatrist spouts every leftist's dream from gun registration to the somehow magical idea that kooks with seven to ten round magazines won't be much of a problem since then the weapons are "less lethal." Somehow however apparently his profession doesn't share any of the blame for the problem of patients of psychiatrists shooting up movie theaters, schools, etc.
1 posted on 03/03/2013 10:08:20 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Twice in the last two years brutal murders have been committed in my county by people who were successfully defended by public defenders who prevented mentally ill people from being involuntarily hospitalized. In neither case was a gun used.

The most recent is an incredibly sad story all around. The son of one of my former schoolmates brutally stabbed his mother to death just weeks after his parents tried to have him committed. The worst part is that a public defender managed to successfully declare him incompetent to defend himself and then helped keep him out of the hospital.

The father said the kid was begging for help and saying that demons were coming to him in his bedroom at night.


2 posted on 03/03/2013 10:26:22 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freeandfreezing

This would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. Still waiting on a point by point explanation as to how ANY registration or law currently proposed or ever to be proposed will stop criminals and nut cases from doing whatever the hell they want. Crickets! Background checks? You first mr. president.


3 posted on 03/03/2013 10:27:11 AM PST by rktman (Live the oath you took or get out of office!)
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To: cripplecreek

Seems like the public defender needs a title change.


4 posted on 03/03/2013 10:29:30 AM PST by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!)
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To: rktman

People are angry enough that they aren’t reporting the name of the attorney.

I just call him or her “accessory”.

I don’t know the kid but I do know the family and if they say he was a good kid I tend to believe them. It didn’t sound like he had ever been in any trouble


5 posted on 03/03/2013 10:38:58 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: freeandfreezing

Still no word on the medication history of these mass murderers. Normal humans do not slaughter random children at point blank range. There were even some Nazis who couldn’t manage that!

“Sanity” will be determined solely by political affiliation if they have their way. They will check your voter registration and if you didn’t vote for Obama or another Democrat, you will be deemed “mentally unfit for firearm ownership”.

Trust me, it’s coming!


6 posted on 03/03/2013 10:57:24 AM PST by Wanderer99
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To: freeandfreezing

“license guns just like we license cars”
Exactly the problem. The criminal class doesn’t care about registering cars, driving with a license, or having insurance. They do what they want and don’t care about anybody or anything.

The bastards would do the same thing with guns. Deliberately allow criminals to have guns and to commit crimes, while harassing law-abiding non-violent citizens.


7 posted on 03/03/2013 10:58:14 AM PST by I want the USA back (You know I'm right.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Leonard’s parents must feel bad that they wasted their money sending their fascist dumbass son to college and to medical school.


8 posted on 03/03/2013 11:08:56 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: freeandfreezing

The ridiculous Driver’s License comparison needs to die a painful, ugly death.

First, licensing vehicles is only required IF the vehicle is to be operated on the public roadways. Vehicles that never see use on the roadways do not need to be licensed

Second, the ONLY reason for licensing (and renewal) is revenue generation by way of VIN capture/registration, for the State’s coffers.

When we apply the model to firearms of any sort, this crap of mental health checks is nothing but a ruse to get to registration, which can only lead to confiscation. The NICS checks are only as good as the underlying database contents. IF there is anything to be done, start there.

Apart from that, there is nothing in the 2nd Amendment about background checks, registration, or anything else. It is plain and concise, just as written.

Molon labe...


9 posted on 03/03/2013 11:11:51 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: freeandfreezing

The psychiatrists have been a vital part in the left-wing subversion of America- ever since they took homosexuality off the list of mental illness. They are still working to that end, and the gun control issue is the next step in their process.
http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].


10 posted on 03/03/2013 11:33:56 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: I want the USA back
Of course, and how many times have we heard that the reason you need a license to drive is because its a "privilege not a right." If you need a license to do something then you've lost your rights. Can you imagine if somebody proposed a licensing and registration requirement for journalists, or preachers and rabbis? I doubt Dr. Korn would be so supportive of that.

Of course the auto registration analogy is also wrong. Nobody needs to pass any background check or file any paperwork to buy a car, or any part of a car, or any kind of car, even an Indy 500 racer. States require registration for on the road use, and may offer title registration, but that's quite different than a limitation on your rights to own something.

11 posted on 03/03/2013 11:59:16 AM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing
Physician, heal thyself.

Chapter 3: The Moral Climate of Health Care
Section: MALPRACTICE

(Philip A. Pecorino, Ph.D.
Queensborough Community College,
The City University of New York)

Quote:

"According to an article published in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), over 225,000 people die each year due to iatrogenic causes. This has become the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer.

* 12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
* 7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
* 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
* 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals
* 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medication"

End quote.

We could also require locked gun cases and gunlocks.

This would be blatantly unconstitutional, completely ignoring the Supreme Courts' ruling in "Heller", in which the court ruled that laws requiring that guns be either disassembled or bound by a trigger lock, was unconstitutional.

Guns are as dangerous as cars: We need to license them just like automobiles.

Sophistry.

1. There is no constitutional right to own, possess or drive a vehicle.

2. Licensing of a vehicle is only required if the owner wishes to drive the vehicle on public roads. An owner may drive their vehicle on their own private property, without a license, or insurance, of any kind.

We could even require buy-back of magazines larger than the seven- or 10-bullet limit

This would also be unconstitutional. Specifically, it would be a violation of the Fifth Amendment right of due process, which prohibits citizens from being "deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law".

12 posted on 03/03/2013 12:05:57 PM PST by holymoly (Lead is the new gold. Particularly when backed by a charge of smokeless powder.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Medical errors kill 195,000 people every year in the USA.
How long must we stand idly by while doctors and nurses slake their bloodlust unhindered?


13 posted on 03/03/2013 12:18:54 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

In medical schools, the lowest status is given to psychiatrists. That is so understandable. Most psychiatrists couldn’t handle the rigors of “real” medicine. It is like comparing a physics major to a social studies major.


14 posted on 03/03/2013 12:48:29 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: hal ogen

Most psychiatrists couldn’t handle the rigors of “real” medicine.


The science “truthers” in LIEbertarian circles are going to see these “experts” rise up to dictate social reality, law and power to the country.

The mouths of the psychiatric “profession” are as ethically, emotionally and mentally retarded as liberals come. Good is evil and evil is good.


15 posted on 03/03/2013 1:23:00 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: freeandfreezing

Psychiatrists still have one of the highest suicide rates of any profession. I don’t take advice from unstable people.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 1:28:34 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Yes, and in 2009 while serving in the Army one of them, Nidal Malik Hasan, decided to become a mass murderer himself.


17 posted on 03/03/2013 3:09:56 PM PST by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

I wonder what he thinks about gun control? He knows more about the subject than the shrink who wrote this article.


18 posted on 03/03/2013 3:15:20 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: freeandfreezing

Why are the “dangerously mentally ill and felons” allowed to roam the streets?


19 posted on 03/04/2013 2:53:43 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Wanderer99

http://io9.com/5940212/how-the-soviets-used-their-own-twisted-version-of-psychiatry-to-suppress-political-dissent


20 posted on 03/04/2013 2:57:14 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

My dad...who grew in the 1930s and 1940s....commented recently on how simple it was to commit someone. You basically drew up a petition (a five-line document), that would state that “Joe” was unstable. Then five people would appear at the county judge’s office and swear the peitition was correct. The judge would seize Joe, and give him one brief hour with a doctor (just a plain regular doctor...not a mental health doctor)....and then with their recommendation...commit Joe to a state hospital. The only way Joe got out of the hospital? He’d have to request a Judge review his case and conduct another mental exam.

Now, no one has numbers from this era and will speak to how many folks were locked up. But if you presented a danger to anyone....then the petition was a fairly quick manner of taking care of the problem.

Today? Nothing. It speaks volumes to the safety and security that you had in the 1930s...compared to today.


21 posted on 03/04/2013 3:41:26 AM PST by pepsionice
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