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Doctors say infant cured of HIV at UMC
WAPT ^ | 3/3/13

Posted on 03/03/2013 4:49:57 PM PST by grandpa jones

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To: NFHale
Or pulling the grenade-launching fire hydrant out of the drugged, kidnapped woman’s bust...

After they rolled over the 18 wheeler! OUCH!

I tell ya, medical science is looking more and more like voodoo every day. Must have something to do with the sequester, ya think?

51 posted on 03/04/2013 10:00:06 AM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows
The good news is they can cure AIDS. The bad news is each treatment requires an 18 wheeler be overturned with a grenade launcher.


52 posted on 03/04/2013 10:58:04 AM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: grey_whiskers; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; Global2010; Battle Axe; ...

Bump & a Ping!


53 posted on 03/04/2013 11:16:56 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: vetvetdoug; OldEagle; onyx; Yosemitest; trebb; stboz; mrsmel; duffee; fatrat; jdirt; WXRGina; ...

Virtute et Armis Ping!


54 posted on 03/04/2013 11:37:43 AM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: grandpa jones

Original mis-diagnosis.


55 posted on 03/04/2013 11:42:08 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

>> “Is this a joke?” <<

We wish!

This is another attempt to profit from Robert Gallo’s original fraud.

HIV is nothing. It is ‘found’ by searching for an antibody, and said antibody has never been positively associated with a real virus. The chance that there is a real virus is less than zilch.

There has been ample time to conduct tests, yet no tests have ever been done, since they are well aware that testing will prove beyond a doubt that there is no virus.


56 posted on 03/04/2013 12:38:49 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: rockrr

>> “I’m still puzzling over the Grenade launcher LOL” <<

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That was the ‘cure.’


57 posted on 03/04/2013 12:40:14 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Scutter

>> “Wow! I hope this is repeatable and not just a one-time thing.” <<

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Flim-Flam is always repeatable.

Ductors have already murdered enough infants with their “therapy,” and this needs to be nipped in the bud.


58 posted on 03/04/2013 12:43:58 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Safetgiver

>> “Original mis-diagnosis.” <<

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“HIV” is always a deliberate mis-diagnosis.

AIDS is always caused by drug use. It is the result of destroying your immune system with constant drug use, thus contracting a common disease that your destroyed body cannot fight (usually TB or hepatitis)


59 posted on 03/04/2013 12:50:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thanks for that 20-year-old news. I was referring to her name.


60 posted on 03/04/2013 1:07:31 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

You’re welcome, and I wish it was only 20 years. :o)


61 posted on 03/04/2013 1:17:24 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: exDemMom; grey_whiskers
I will need to read the original research articles to see what is really going on here. I know that (if I were doing the diagnosis) I'd want to show that there is no detectable virus, and that the child has a healthy population of the cells normally killed by HIV.

Researchers Describe First 'Functional HIV Cure' in an Infant

That's a press release. That source, ScienceDaily usually links the original citation. That's iffy when announcements are made at conferences. I don't think the original citation has been published yet. At least PubMed doesn't have it.

62 posted on 03/04/2013 1:55:53 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Windflier

LRE Sequester:

last I heard, republicans were laughing because minority babies’ milk bottles were being ripped away because of the sequester...

Heroic democrats were, of course, driving out to farms and actually milking the bulls themselves to get the milk... but it wasn’t milk...

That was republicans’ fault too...because of the sequester. Which was also making airplanes fall out of the sky. That would be the sequester, you understand...you know, the one making bakeries in inner city neighborhoods stop making bread - because of the sequester....


63 posted on 03/04/2013 2:57:11 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: kik5150

You win. Well played.


64 posted on 03/04/2013 3:03:02 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: NFHale

You know the Republicans forced Obama to pull the trigger on the sequester, which left the state of Michigan no choice but to foreclose on the entire city of Detroit, don’t you?

Think of it. A whole city in foreclosure because of those rotten, dastardly, unfeeling, brutish Republicans!!

Will no one stop them??? What about the chi’rens???


65 posted on 03/04/2013 3:13:13 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

They’ve even got Reagan look-a-likes stealing beans right outta the homeless folks’ mouths...because of the sequester...

It’s horrible, I tell ya.

I hear tell all the farm animals walked off the job too...


66 posted on 03/04/2013 4:04:06 PM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: neverdem

Yeah. I’ll be keeping an eye out for this to make it into PubMed or MMWR. I really would like to see the details.


67 posted on 03/04/2013 4:10:24 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: NFHale

I tell ya....Obama’s killing us with this sequester.

Why just today, I checked my bank balance and saw that it was down to just a few dollars — but I still have checks!

Now, somebody please explain how that can possibly be. I’m telling you, it’s that damn sequester!


68 posted on 03/04/2013 4:39:58 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: grandpa jones; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy; AuH2ORepublican; NFHale; sickoflibs; Perdogg

Oh fudge I got Shaq mixed up with the aptly named Magic Johnson which is inexcusable since Magic was the much better player.


69 posted on 03/04/2013 5:53:24 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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First Child Cured of HIV

So then she repeated testing, thinking something was wrong with the lab test. And it was negative again. At that point in time, she called me because we've worked together as colleagues intermittently since the mid-1990s, caring for HIV-positive kids and doing clinical trials through the NIH-sponsored clinical trials group. When she told me about this, we thought this was quite unusual and so we assembled a team of individuals and went on to do some very specialized research to see exactly how much virus there was in the baby's system and what form it was in. Using those very sensitive tests, we were able to detect occasionally very, very low levels of the viral nucleic acids.

One of the doctors developed a very sensitive culture technique to see whether she can actually grow virus from people's cells. She tried to do that from the baby but she was unable to recover the virus. Then I did immunologic studies, and the kind of the immune repercussions that we usually see in HIV-positive individuals were not there. We retested the baby through 28 months, and the baby has continued to control the virus. In other words, we do not see the viral load coming back in the absence of treatment.

NEWSHOUR: But there are still low levels of the virus in the baby's system?

DR. LUZURIAGA: Yes, but we're not quite sure what it means. These are very low levels of virus that are around and we don't know whether these are false positives or whether they truly constitute viral load but it's just so low that it's tough to detect.

70 posted on 03/04/2013 5:57:55 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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First Child Cured of HIV

So then she repeated testing, thinking something was wrong with the lab test. And it was negative again. At that point in time, she called me because we've worked together as colleagues intermittently since the mid-1990s, caring for HIV-positive kids and doing clinical trials through the NIH-sponsored clinical trials group. When she told me about this, we thought this was quite unusual and so we assembled a team of individuals and went on to do some very specialized research to see exactly how much virus there was in the baby's system and what form it was in. Using those very sensitive tests, we were able to detect occasionally very, very low levels of the viral nucleic acids.

One of the doctors developed a very sensitive culture technique to see whether she can actually grow virus from people's cells. She tried to do that from the baby but she was unable to recover the virus. Then I did immunologic studies, and the kind of the immune repercussions that we usually see in HIV-positive individuals were not there. We retested the baby through 28 months, and the baby has continued to control the virus. In other words, we do not see the viral load coming back in the absence of treatment.

NEWSHOUR: But there are still low levels of the virus in the baby's system?

DR. LUZURIAGA: Yes, but we're not quite sure what it means. These are very low levels of virus that are around and we don't know whether these are false positives or whether they truly constitute viral load but it's just so low that it's tough to detect.

71 posted on 03/04/2013 5:58:54 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

>> “Using those very sensitive tests, we were able to detect occasionally very, very low levels of the viral nucleic acids.” <<

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Just how could they possibly do this, since no virus has ever been found, but only ‘antibodies?’

The alleged HIV has yet to be isolated and identified.


72 posted on 03/04/2013 7:09:30 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: neverdem
What we don't know, and the reason that "cured" may not necessarily be the right term, is whether the baby in fact has no ability to transmit the virus to others, whether the virus then would start replicating in a new host, or whether the virus has been eliminated. (For the baby's sake, I pray the latter).

I would guardedly call this "remission", rather than a cure, at least until further evidence is in.

While the behaviour of the virus may provide information in how to cause similar remission (if in fact the viral load has not been eliminated) in other maladies, that also remains to be seen.

73 posted on 03/04/2013 7:38:35 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: FreedomStar3028
The mother or caregiver couldn't be bothered to show up for the (free, no doubt) treatments?

What a world.

74 posted on 03/04/2013 7:41:49 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Fulfilling Koch’s Postulates

HIV Causes AIDS: Proof Derived from Koch's Postulates

75 posted on 03/04/2013 7:52:26 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: exDemMom

I caught a glimpse of some TV show last night saying that the infant does in fact have dead RNA and DNA from HIV in her body.

She was taking three drugs as treatment for HIV.

Perhaps her immune system found a way to kill the HIV?

I don’t know, something stinks here. They weren’t trying to cure HIV, they were just treating it, and boom it’s gone?


76 posted on 03/04/2013 8:16:21 PM PST by FreedomStar3028
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To: neverdem

That is my point. HIV most surely does NOT cause AIDS.

This is a complete sham. No blind test has ever been done, and will not be done because the result would shut down their golden goose.

The supposed ‘HIV’ antibody is present in thousands of times more people that do not exhibit AIDS than do.

Their solution to that dilemma is to push death dealing “AIDS” drugs down their throats until they die.


77 posted on 03/04/2013 8:16:36 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: FreedomStar3028

>> “I caught a glimpse of some TV show last night saying that the infant does in fact have dead RNA and DNA from HIV in her body” <<

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That comment is a flat out lie.

The DNA and RNA of “HIV” are unknown, because no virus has ever been isolated to test.


78 posted on 03/04/2013 8:20:06 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Then why is it classified a virus?


79 posted on 03/04/2013 8:21:47 PM PST by FreedomStar3028
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To: FreedomStar3028

You’re asking the wrong question, since there is to this day no virus to classify. Those that seek to expose this fact are instantly attacked and destroyed.

“HIV” the virus is fiction. what they call an antibody to this imaginary virus has never been shown to cause the disease. No person with this supposed antibody that doesn’t use drugs gets the symptoms, while there are millions that have the symptoms of AIDS, but do not have the ‘antibody.’ (but they do use drugs)


80 posted on 03/04/2013 8:34:20 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

So what is HIV then?


81 posted on 03/04/2013 8:37:56 PM PST by FreedomStar3028
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To: FreedomStar3028

I suggest reading Peter Duesberg’s “Inventing the AIDS Virus.”

It does a good job of explaning the shenanigans that created the imaginary virus.

As Rush often says: “Folloow the Money.” (To date several Trillions)


82 posted on 03/04/2013 8:51:23 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
No blind test has ever been done, and will not be done because the result would shut down their golden goose.

Blind tests are for nominal treatments versus a placebo, not satisfying Koch's postulates. From the 2nd link in comment# 75:

The last two postulates stipulate that inoculating the organism into an animal model (i.e., exposing or infecting the animal) leads to the same disease and that the organism is recoverable from that animal. The evidence satisfying these postulates was established in 1997, when Francis J. Novembre, Ph.D., and colleagues from Emory University in Atlanta, GA, published in the Journal of Virology that a chimpanzee inoculated with HIV ten years earlier had developed an AIDS-defining OI(opportunistic infection). Prior to the OI, the HIV RNA viral load had increased (partially documenting recovery of the organism from the animal model) and the CD4 cell count had decreased in the chimpanzee. Cultures of blood from the animal also were positive for HIV, establishing recoverability of the organism. Subsequently, blood from that chimp was transfused into a second, healthy chimpanzee. This second chimpanzee later had an increase in the HIV viral load and a decrease in the CD4 cell count.

Prior to this 1997 report, fulfillment of Koch's third and fourth postulates was lacking. Interestingly, the incubation period for clinical AIDS in this chimpanzee, with whom humans share 98% gene homology (structural similarity), was essentially equivalent to the average incubation period in humans -- ten years.

The supposed ‘HIV’ antibody is present in thousands of times more people that do not exhibit AIDS than do.

Give HIV enough time to reduce their CD4 counts. Once that happens AIDS defining diseases occurs. With the newer drugs for HIV they don't develop AIDS defining diseases because their CD4 counts are normal.

Their solution to that dilemma is to push death dealing “AIDS” drugs down their throats until they die.

The newer drugs don't have the adverse effects like AZT and earlier drugs.

P.S. They isolate HIV directly in tests called viral loads. It's not just antibody testing for HIV.

83 posted on 03/04/2013 9:48:50 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: FreedomStar3028

HIV is a retrovirus, meaning that it has an RNA genome.

If they locate HIV DNA in her body, that suggests that the virus integrated itself into her DNA. Some viruses do that; they make DNA copies of themselves and insert them into the host chromosomes. (We actually have thousands of viruses in our DNA.)

Virus inserted into her DNA could be unable to remove itself to cause further infection. In that case, she’s most likely fine. (Unless the virus inserted itself into a gene—but that’s another long discussion.)

Finding bits of HIV RNA is more troublesome; that could mean the virus is hiding somewhere. Or it could mean that virus inserted into her DNA is still trying to make copies of itself; if the entire virus isn’t there, those bits of RNA probably won’t do much.

The HIV drugs are meant to inhibit viral replication. To my knowledge, they don’t kill virus. I can’t say anything more than that, since I don’t know what drugs they were to be able to look them up. If her viral load was low enough and the drugs administered early enough, there may not have been much virus around to damage tissue and establish a strong infection. Then, her immune system would have a better chance of controlling the virus. One reason HIV is so devastating is that it goes directly for the immune system; people can’t fight it off because the cells that would normally kill the virus have been destroyed.

Some people have immune systems that are more able to fight off different kinds of infections than other people. This little girl could have a particular immune system variation that makes her more resistant to HIV infection.

I know this is a lot of information. There is a lot going on here, which is why I would *really* like to see the original report (when they publish it).


84 posted on 03/05/2013 5:09:34 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: FreedomStar3028

Sorry, this is an addendum to the previous reply.

When I said that the little girl could have an immune system that is more capable of holding off an HIV infection, I should have specified that people having such an immune system variant have been characterized and documented.


85 posted on 03/05/2013 5:13:23 AM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: FreedomStar3028; WKB; mrsmel
you should read more about this

The doctor treated the baby for 18 months

Then the woman disappears for 10 months it shows back up as a child is HIV free

hardly the fault of the doctor

I have a cousin who works at the very hospital as a obstetrician nurse

about minority behavior and obstetrics in a 40 percent. Black state

Simply savage like to be frank

86 posted on 03/05/2013 11:30:31 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy; FreedomStar3028; mrsmel

On several news reports I have heard Dr Gay and others say they are trying to figure out just what they did that “cured” the child.


87 posted on 03/05/2013 12:07:49 PM PST by WKB ( Remember "Bush Lied and People Died" Now it's "People died and Obama Lied")
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To: exDemMom; petitfour; wardaddy; FreedomStar3028; mrsmel; WKB
The HIV drugs are meant to inhibit viral replication. To my knowledge, they don’t kill virus. I can’t say anything more than that, since I don’t know what drugs they were to be able to look them up.

Per petitfour's link in comment# 10:

Baby with HIV cured; UMC doctor makes history

The infant underwent remission of the HIV infection after receiving antiretroviral therapy (ART) within 30 hours of birth — Zidovudine, Lamivudine and Nevirapine. A series of tests showed progressively diminishing viral presence in the infant’s blood until it reached undetectable levels 29 days after birth. Gay switched Nevirapine with Kaletra for long term therapy.


88 posted on 03/05/2013 2:13:16 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Give up on the “Koch” angle, because that is the first nail in the ‘HIV’ coffin. The fact that so many “HIV positive” people, the vast majority by orders of magnitude, do not suffer from AIDS at all, and that the majority of those that do suffer from AIDS are not HIV positive does not fit Koch.


89 posted on 03/05/2013 4:33:57 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: neverdem; petitfour; wardaddy; FreedomStar3028; mrsmel; WKB
The infant underwent remission of the HIV infection after receiving antiretroviral therapy (ART) within 30 hours of birth — Zidovudine, Lamivudine and Nevirapine. (...) Gay switched Nevirapine with Kaletra for long term therapy.

Thank you for the additional information, neverdem. Now I know a bit more about the drug mechanisms.

These drugs work in different ways to prevent the virus from making new virus particles. Normally, they would prevent the spread of virus to uninfected cells, putting the HIV in stasis. Infected cells remain infected, although they can be killed and removed by the immune system if it is functional and able to recognize them as infected.

I wonder if anyone is doing a genetic analysis of the little girl's immune system? It would be interesting to see if she has a variant known to decrease people's chance of becoming infected.

90 posted on 03/05/2013 5:36:55 PM PST by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: neverdem

I’m not sure what to make of it...children’s immune systems are different than adults, and sometimes the child will test positive from a disease not because the child is infected but because it has viruses etc. from mom, but the virus won’t take hold and later tests will be negative.

I’d wait a few years to see what this means...


91 posted on 03/06/2013 12:12:41 AM PST by LadyDoc
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