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Lech Walesa shocks Poland with anti-gay words
AP ^ | 3/3/2013 | VANESSA GERA

Posted on 03/03/2013 11:08:43 PM PST by MaryLou1

"Walesa said in a television interview on Friday that he believes gays have no right to sit on the front benches in Parliament and, if represented at all, should sit in the back, "and even behind a wall."

"They have to know that they are a minority and must adjust to smaller things. And not rise to the greatest heights, the greatest hours, the greatest provocations, spoiling things for the others and taking (what they want) from the majority," he told the private broadcaster TVN during a discussion of gay rights. "I don't agree to this and I will never agree to it."

"A minority should not impose itself on the majority," Walesa said.

The words have enraged many."

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1 posted on 03/03/2013 11:09:11 PM PST by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1

Isn’t he a devout Catholic?


2 posted on 03/03/2013 11:14:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: MaryLou1

“A minority should not impose itself on the majority,” Walesa said.”

It is the truth, in Poland as well as here

even if people don’t like it, it is the truth


3 posted on 03/03/2013 11:15:13 PM PST by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1

So, what exactly did he say that was so upsetting?


4 posted on 03/03/2013 11:16:49 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: MaryLou1

I had an argument a few years ago with a leftard about this very thing. This person apparently couldn’t or wouldn’t recognize tyranny by anything other than the majority. Any law designed to “protect and advance” minority “rights” could never go far enough. And people wonder why countries go to war.


5 posted on 03/03/2013 11:20:13 PM PST by Amberdawn
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To: Frank_2001

according to the ap story many were very offended-

“”From a human point of view his language was appalling. It was the statement of a troglodyte,” said Jerzy Wenderlich, a deputy speaker of Parliament with the Democratic Left Alliance.”

“”Now nobody in their right mind will invite Lech Walesa as a moral authority, knowing what he said,” Wenderlich said.

Monika Olejnik, a leading television journalist, said Walesa “disgraced the Nobel prize.”

Some, however, said they were not surprised by Walesa’s words.

“I am surprised that only now we are noticing that Walesa is not in control of what he says and that he has views that are far from being politically correct,” said Adam Bielan, a conservative Polish member of the European Parliament.”


6 posted on 03/03/2013 11:20:43 PM PST by MaryLou1
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To: MaryLou1; Frank_2001
"...deputy speaker of Parliament with the Democratic Left Alliance...leading journalist...member of the EU Parliament..."

Here endeth the lesson.

7 posted on 03/03/2013 11:25:29 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: MaryLou1

Good for him. Poland saved Europe once, maybe they’ll do it again.


8 posted on 03/03/2013 11:28:21 PM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MaryLou1
The words have enraged many.

Yes, the perpetually outraged drama queens, shockingly, are enraged.

9 posted on 03/03/2013 11:30:25 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: MaryLou1

The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.


10 posted on 03/03/2013 11:31:00 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Frank_2001
So, what exactly did he say that was so upsetting?

The truth.

11 posted on 03/03/2013 11:31:09 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: MaryLou1; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; GeronL; NFHale

Give em hell Lech.


12 posted on 03/03/2013 11:33:38 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: MaryLou1
“I am surprised that only now we are noticing that Walesa is not in control of what he says and that he has views that are far from being politically correct,” said Adam Bielan

Ah, yes, political correctness. The universal language of totalitarian bullies.

13 posted on 03/03/2013 11:36:11 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Eagles6

Do you refer to the or the war against the Ottoman Empire?


14 posted on 03/03/2013 11:39:46 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: MaryLou1

LOL!
Poland’s faggot community has their panties in a wad.


15 posted on 03/03/2013 11:42:15 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Eagles6

Meant to say Polish-Soviet War or the war against the Ottomans.


16 posted on 03/03/2013 11:43:50 PM PST by Impy (All in favor of Harry Reid meeting Mr. Mayhem?)
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To: TigersEye
Angry Fag

Is angry.

17 posted on 03/03/2013 11:48:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: MaryLou1

I bet the pope would agree with him


18 posted on 03/03/2013 11:57:47 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: MaryLou1

I didn’t even know he was still alive! Zoiks!

At any rate he is 100% correct.

That and he has one of the easier-to-pronounce Polish names.


19 posted on 03/04/2013 12:00:06 AM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Causing trouble since 1976)
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To: MaryLou1

Maybe there is some commen sense being exercised viz that for one man to insert his penis into the rectum of another man is an unnatural act. He simply has the courage to say aloud what everyone else knows to be true. And by the way, this has nothing to do with being Catholic. It is simply an application of natural law.


20 posted on 03/04/2013 12:01:57 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: Impy
both -- and many other times.

Not only is Wałęsa Catholic, so is over 90% of Poland, which is why the US media could only find 4 people who claim to be offended

21 posted on 03/04/2013 12:22:19 AM PST by womanvet (Hey, GOPe, no more Christie, Rubio, or (enter your favourite RINO here).)
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To: Impy

You’re correct. Should have said twice already.


22 posted on 03/04/2013 12:42:05 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Eagles6

Could we trade Barry and Michelle for Lech and his wife?


23 posted on 03/04/2013 1:06:35 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Despite the stereotype Poles are not stupid.

Now maybe if we offered them a couple of aircraft carriers too...;-)

24 posted on 03/04/2013 1:23:05 AM PST by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: MaryLou1

I doubt he shocked the people of Poland at all. I’m sure most of the people there agree with him.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 2:15:29 AM PST by Waryone
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To: MaryLou1
The words have enraged many.

The words have enraged many faggots.

There, fixed it. Leave it to the AP to twist the news to fit its twisted agenda.

26 posted on 03/04/2013 2:16:37 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: MaryLou1

Lech’s truthful words should enrage no one who is not a pervert. The obvious overstatement of the headline is typical of the homophilic press.


27 posted on 03/04/2013 2:55:18 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: MaryLou1

Will Walesa also be brave enough to denounce all his countrymen who are illegally immigrating to the Western European countries and undercutting and taking jobs from the “majority” in those countries? I won’t hold my breath...


28 posted on 03/04/2013 3:00:22 AM PST by patrick3000
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To: patrick3000
Will Walesa also be brave enough to denounce all his countrymen who are illegally immigrating to the Western European countries

Actually, after Poland joined the EU on 1st May 2004, Poles could legally move to and work in any EU country.

29 posted on 03/04/2013 3:22:32 AM PST by Da_Shrimp
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To: MaryLou1

The funny thing here is that his comments aren’t really “anti-gay”.

He’s clearly talking about a case where a minority is now making unreasonable demands of a majority. He’s just using gays as an example, and telling them that, as a minority, they aren’t always going to get their way and they need to accept that fact.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 3:29:13 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: MaryLou1

Did it ‘shock’ Poland?

The MSM lies again.


31 posted on 03/04/2013 3:32:09 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: MaryLou1
Lech Walesa shocks Poland with anti-gay words

The article is crap propaganda. The truth is that people were rejoicing at his statements. I know this because people would equally take joy at a public expression of common sense here.

32 posted on 03/04/2013 4:31:48 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Impy
Give em hell Lech

Like Harry Truman said, "I don't give em hell, I tell them the truth and they think it's hell".

33 posted on 03/04/2013 4:43:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The Poles remained Catholic through the Communist seige Post WWII. While Czech churches stand empty like museums, for instance, the Polish people are, in general, a model for devotion. Pope John Paul II was Polish. Survived the Nazi occupation of his country - his town- when he was, I think in college. "I would have resigned the presidency rather than legalize abortion". Catholic News Agency, 21 May 2009. No more awards for you Mr. W. List of awards and honors received by Lech Wałęsa Lech Wałęsa's Coat of arms assigned by the Heraldic Authority of the Kingdom of Sweden on the occasion of his admitance into the Royal Order of the Seraphim. According to the intentions of the designer, Adam Heymowskiego, it refers to Polish national colors and the coat of arms of Gdańsk, of which one of the crosses was replaced by a fleur-de-lis, symbol of Our Lady of Częstochowa Apart from his 1983 Nobel Peace Prize,[71] Wałęsa has received many other international distinctions and awards.[9] He has been named "Man of the Year" by Time Magazine (1981),[72] The Financial Times (1980) and The Observer (1980).[9] He was the first recipient of the Liberty Medal, on 4 July 1989 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,[73] and that same year received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.[74] He is the only Pole to have addressed a joint meeting of the United States Congress (15 November 1989).[75] On 8 February 2002, Wałęsa represented Europe, carrying the Olympic flag at the opening ceremonies of the XIX Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, in company with Archbishop Desmond Tutu (Africa), John Glenn (the Americas), Kazuyoshi Funaki (Asia), Cathy Freeman (Oceania), Jean-Michel Cousteau (Environment), Jean-Claude Killy (Sport), and Steven Spielberg (Culture).[76][77] Two years later, on 10 May 2004, Gdańsk International Airport was officially renamed Gdańsk Lech Wałęsa Airport to commemorate a famous Gdańsk citizen, and his signature was incorporated into the airport's logo.[78] A month later, in June 2004, Wałęsa represented Poland at the state funeral of Ronald Reagan.[79] On 11 October 2006, Wałęsa was keynote speaker at the launch of "International Human Solidarity Day," proclaimed in 2005 by the United Nations General Assembly.[80] In January 2007 Wałęsa spoke at a Taiwan event, "Towards a Global Forum on New Democracies," in support of peace and democracy, along with other prominent world leaders and Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian.[81] On 25 April 2007, Wałęsa represented the Polish government at the funeral of Boris Yeltsin, former President of the Russian Federation.[82] On 23 October 2009, he spoke at a conference in Gdańsk of presidents of all European senates, commemorating the 20th anniversary of the first free parliamentary elections in a former communist country – the 1989 elections to the Polish Senate. On 6 September 2011, Wałęsa rejected Lithuania's Order of Vytautas the Great as a result of alleged discrimination on the part of the Lithuanian government towards its Polish minority.[83]
34 posted on 03/04/2013 4:47:14 AM PST by stanne
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To: MaryLou1

It is the truth, in Poland as well as here


It used to be that way but not now. It used to be that the majority wins and the minority loses. It’s just the opposite now.

As a matter of fact, it is so bad that it takes a ration of 1:100000000000000000000000 for the 1 to win the whole pot.


35 posted on 03/04/2013 4:48:34 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DH

Ooooooops! Ratio = ration


36 posted on 03/04/2013 4:49:23 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: Da_Shrimp
Actually, after Poland joined the EU on 1st May 2004, Poles could legally move to and work in any EU country.

The E.U. just formalized it. We have our own informal North American Union, whereby any Mexican who slips across the border can work in the U.S.

I specify Mexico because, by far, that's where most of them come from.

37 posted on 03/04/2013 4:49:44 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: MaryLou1
Lech Walesa shocks inspires Poland with anti-gay courageous words once again ...

fixed it.

38 posted on 03/04/2013 4:56:01 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I'll try that again: Walesa said: "I would have resigned the presidency rather than legalize abortion". Catholic News Agency, 21 May 2009. No more awards for you Mr. W. List of awards and honors received by Lech Wałęsa Lech Wałęsa's Coat of arms assigned by the Heraldic Authority of the Kingdom of Sweden on the occasion of his admitance into the Royal Order of the Seraphim. According to the intentions of the designer, Adam Heymowskiego, it refers to Polish national colors and the coat of arms of Gdańsk, of which one of the crosses was replaced by a fleur-de-lis, symbol of Our Lady of Częstochowa Apart from his 1983 Nobel Peace Prize, Wałęsa has received many other international distinctions and awards. He has been named "Man of the Year" by Time Magazine (1981) The Financial Times (1980) and The Observer (1980). He was the first recipient of the Liberty Medal, on 4 July 1989 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania,and that same year received the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He is the only Pole to have addressed a joint meeting of the United States Congress (15 November 1989). On 8 February 2002, Wałęsa represented Europe, carrying the Olympic flag at the opening ceremonies of the XIX Olympic Winter Games in Salt Lake City, in company with Archbishop Desmond Tutu (Africa), John Glenn (the Americas), Kazuyoshi Funaki (Asia), Cathy Freeman (Oceania), Jean-Michel Cousteau (Environment), Jean-Claude Killy (Sport), and Steven Spielberg (Culture). Two years later, on 10 May 2004, Gdańsk International Airport was officially renamed Gdańsk Lech Wałęsa Airport to commemorate a famous Gdańsk citizen, and his signature was incorporated into the airport's logo. A month later, in June 2004, Wałęsa represented Poland at the state funeral of Ronald Reagan. On 11 October 2006, Wałęsa was keynote speaker at the launch of "International Human Solidarity Day," proclaimed in 2005 by the United Nations General Assembly. In January 2007 Wałęsa spoke at a Taiwan event, "Towards a Global Forum on New Democracies," in support of peace and democracy, along with other prominent world leaders and Taiwan's President Chen Shui-bian. On 25 April 2007, Wałęsa represented the Polish government at the funeral of Boris Yeltsin, former President of the Russian Federation.[82] On 23 October 2009, he spoke at a conference in Gdańsk of presidents of all European senates, commemorating the 20th anniversary of the first free parliamentary elections in a former communist country – the 1989 elections to the Polish Senate. On 6 September 2011, Wałęsa rejected Lithuania's Order of Vytautas the Great as a result of alleged discrimination on the part of the Lithuanian government towards its Polish minority.
39 posted on 03/04/2013 5:00:50 AM PST by stanne
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Could we trade Barry and Michelle for Lech and his wife?”

That has my vote!

One of the great privileges of my life was the opportunity to hear Pres. Walesa speak, in person, and to shake his hand while introducing my teenaged son.

I made sure my son understood that Lech Walesa, along with Pres. Reagan & the Pope, was responsible for pulling the props out from under the crumbling Soviet Empire.


40 posted on 03/04/2013 5:26:27 AM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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To: MaryLou1

My guess is Lech had his fill of seeing in his lifetime homosexuality go from “The love that dare not speak its name” to “The love that can’t keep its %(#&ing mouth shut”.


41 posted on 03/04/2013 5:26:56 AM PST by Stosh
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To: Servant of the Cross

Bigot.


42 posted on 03/04/2013 5:39:09 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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I think Lech shocked the knee-jerk godless liberals at the AP, not the “Polish people.”


43 posted on 03/04/2013 5:52:18 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: Lakeshark

;-) PROUDly.


44 posted on 03/04/2013 5:55:57 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Prolly racis as well.......

:-)

45 posted on 03/04/2013 6:16:20 AM PST by Lakeshark (!)
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To: MaryLou1

Shocks Poland? Yeah right, 90% of Poles agree with Lech on this.


46 posted on 03/04/2013 6:29:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: TigersEye
The words have enraged many.

I read this article on Yahoo, not exactly a conservative site, and the comments were running at least 15:1 or higher in favor of what Walesa said. I believe nothing the MSM tells me any longer, especially throw-away, unprovable, editorial comments like "the words have enraged many."

47 posted on 03/04/2013 7:08:31 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Matt_DZ_PL

Ping


48 posted on 03/04/2013 7:30:10 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: MaryLou1

How did sane society ever get away from “anti-gay” = “good?”


49 posted on 03/04/2013 7:42:04 AM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: MaryLou1

“Lech Walesa shocks Poland with anti-gay words….”

Once again, Mr. Walesa speaks out bravely and boldly … and wisely….


50 posted on 03/04/2013 8:27:26 AM PST by Road Glide
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