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What does DHS need with 2,700 armored vehicles? (and why have they bought a billion bullets?)
American Thinker ^ | 03/04/2013 | Rick Moran

Posted on 03/04/2013 7:36:35 AM PST by SeekAndFind

More to the point; why isn't anyone in Congress asking?

You see a story like this - and the one about a billion bullets bought by the government - and you wonder why no one in Congress has bothered to look into it. I am totally unconvinced there are any dark designs by DHS on American citizens or our democracy. But this seems a colossal waste of money - if true - and isn't ferreting out waste like this what we are paying those jamokes on Capitol Hill for?

Jim Hoft writes:

Modern Survival Blog reported:

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these 'Mine Resistant Protected' vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

Although I've seen and read several online blurbs about this vehicle of late, I decided to dig slightly deeper and discover more about the vehicle itself.

The new DHS sanctioned 'Street Sweeper' (my own slang due to the gun ports) is built by Navistar Defense (NavistarDefense.com), a division within the Navistar organization. Under the Navistar umbrella are several other companies including International Trucks, IC Bus (they make school buses), Monaco RV (recreational vehicles), WorkHorse (they make chassis), MaxxForce (diesel engines), and Navistar Financial (the money arm of the company).

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: armoredvehicles; dhs; homelandsecurity

1 posted on 03/04/2013 7:36:45 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Go to your U.S. senators and congressman’s website and fire off an email asking why this is happening. I did. Haven’t heard back yet.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 7:38:41 AM PST by From The Deer Stand
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To: SeekAndFind

also, why are they doing it at exactly the same time Napolitano is out there lying about how the sequester is going to double air travel delays, and TSA agents are going to get laid off,,yadda yadda.


3 posted on 03/04/2013 7:43:13 AM PST by austinaero
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To: From The Deer Stand

This may be something no more sinister than good old fashioned crony capitalism. DHS is not the Army and if they attempted to occupy someplace, Houston, for example, can you imagine what would happen to them? Don’t assume bad intentions when simple payola may be the answer.


4 posted on 03/04/2013 7:44:07 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

5 posted on 03/04/2013 7:46:14 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Te?xas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

6 posted on 03/04/2013 7:48:49 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Te?xas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am totally unconvinced there are any dark designs by DHS on American citizens or our democracy.

Over a billion rounds of ammunition purchased by DHS. Now, 2,700 MRAP's also? And this idiot is not convinced these people do not have any dark designs against Americans?

IF they had only purchased the ammunition, one might make the case that the feds were only out to make sure there was little ammo available for private purchase, and this was done by design to "avoid" another school shooting. But, what would the DHS need with 2,700 MRAP's? They have one intended purpose, and I doubt that DHS purchased them to keep them from civilian hands. This writer has buried his head in the sand if he thinks that the DHS has our best interests in mind.

7 posted on 03/04/2013 7:49:22 AM PST by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Same tactics that have proven ineffective in Iraq.

This is to overwhelm the civilian population. Nothing else.


8 posted on 03/04/2013 7:51:33 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: SeekAndFind

What does DHS need with 2,700 armored vehicles and billions of bullets ?

DUH ! What else?

To shoot you with, that`s what.


9 posted on 03/04/2013 7:51:33 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: SeekAndFind
Who knows better than The DHS how many terrorists are streaming into our country across our porous borders.

HA! Yeah. Right. Like they're going to use these things against terrorists.

10 posted on 03/04/2013 7:52:00 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Te?xas Eagle)
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To: Gen.Blather

Baloney....they aren’t stupid....they know whats coming, because they know what their plans are....the Tea Party revolution scared the scat out of them....now they know at least 25% of us won’t roll over and play dead....


11 posted on 03/04/2013 7:52:15 AM PST by Hogblog
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To: Texas Eagle

It seems to me this vehicle would be most useful in a city.


12 posted on 03/04/2013 7:55:52 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: Texas Eagle

They just re-define “terrorist” as “anyone that opposes collectivist rule” and there ya go.

These will be used against people defending their lives, families, and property against the EBT rioters.


13 posted on 03/04/2013 7:55:54 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Texas Eagle

It seems to me this vehicle would be most useful in a city.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 7:56:01 AM PST by Roses0508
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To: SeekAndFind
Statement: "What does DHS need with 2,700 armored vehicles? (and why have they bought a billion bullets?)"

Response: The answer is obvious.

Comment: The vermin holding positions of governmental authority know a Social War will break out at any time.

15 posted on 03/04/2013 7:58:48 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: SeekAndFind
What does DHS need with 2,700 armored vehicles? (and why have they bought a billion bullets?)

My guess is that we'll all find out this summer.

16 posted on 03/04/2013 8:00:08 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Gen.Blather

You’re just kidding yourself.


17 posted on 03/04/2013 8:01:43 AM PST by pgkdan ( "Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Texas Eagle

POLICE/RESCUE????


18 posted on 03/04/2013 8:03:45 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Gen.Blather
Don’t assume bad intentions when simple payola may be the answer.

Ah, the old "It can't happen here" canard. That kind of thinking guarantees that it will happen here. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows why the DHS is buying all those tanks and it has nothing to do with money. You think these people care about money? They already have all the money.

Any one that attacks one of those tanks will be declared a terrorist, hunted down by the NSA/FBI/CIA and killed with a drone or "disappeared" under the NDAA.

19 posted on 03/04/2013 8:07:59 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (Republicans are to the Democrats as the Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think they are remembering back to the Branch Dividians in Waco.

The Clintons had to pay Westley Clark a big price to avoid Posse Comitatus for the armored vehicles to destroy the compound.


20 posted on 03/04/2013 8:08:06 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: 1010RD
Yup.

It's for your own good, don't you see.

21 posted on 03/04/2013 8:08:14 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: SeekAndFind

” I have seen a ton of these as a trucker over the last month or two. Lots are being shipped out to California.

I have also seen lots of other refurbished military hummers and other equipment being devielered across the lower 48 states.

None of them have decals or emblems on them.”

(comment on DR FB)


22 posted on 03/04/2013 8:13:41 AM PST by wolficatZ (Hey blue states....Got Food?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bookmark


23 posted on 03/04/2013 8:19:08 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)
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To: Gen.Blather
Urbansurvival.....

"War On Americans.

As one report began, this is getting a little creepy with the word that Homeland Security has put out an order for 2,700 light-armored tanks...just the thing to go with 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point, don'tcha think? And you thought the Bushitas we grounds for conspiracy thoughts?

As I've said before, there is a building case here that there is some 'hidden force" running the agenda of the US government over the past 20-years, or so, and it's like there's no functional difference between presidents...

And whoever it is, they clearly have a vision of having to maintain social order when the financial system blows up - which sure seems to be what they're planning for. 2,700 APC's can't be wronge, can they? And for local police? WTF?"

AND, they're trying desperately to disarm us. Why? Cars kill more people than guns.

24 posted on 03/04/2013 8:19:30 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Gen.Blather

Yep. The late John Murtha used stuff like this constantly to prop-up his incredibly corrupt three-decade career in the US House.


25 posted on 03/04/2013 8:23:30 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: SeekAndFind
"Molotov cocktail, the local drink
And all she wants to do is dance
Mix 'em up right in the kitchen sink
And all she wants to do is dance"

Also, thermite in copious quantities applied directly over the engine area while these sit idle.

Standing armies were discouraged by the Founders for a reason.

Looks like we get to find out why soon.

26 posted on 03/04/2013 8:23:46 AM PST by JOAT
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To: SeekAndFind
"Molotov cocktail, the local drink
And all she wants to do is dance
Mix 'em up right in the kitchen sink
And all she wants to do is dance"

Also, thermite in copious quantities applied directly over the engine area while these sit idle.

Standing armies were discouraged by the Founders for a reason.

Looks like we get to find out why soon.

27 posted on 03/04/2013 8:24:19 AM PST by JOAT
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To: 1010RD
"POLICE/RESCUE????

Well. I accept that at face value. I am not at all concerned. I feel better seeing that.

(Do I even need to add it?)

28 posted on 03/04/2013 8:28:00 AM PST by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Texas Eagle

Looks like the army to me.


29 posted on 03/04/2013 8:28:43 AM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Apparently the Sequestration budget cuts isn't affecting the build-up and arming of "Janetalia's Army".

Anyone who can't see, or won't admit, that Obama is arming DHS and other government agencies in preparation for war against citizens, against people he identifies as "Bitter Clingers", isn't looking or is on Obama's side and against the US Constitution.

This is a violation of the spirit and intent of the Posse Comitatus Act . It is just another sleazy liberal end-run around the law of the land and the rights of US Citizens. Obama and his "Progressive" henchmen wipe their feet on the US Constitution and the sheeple lick their boots.

The purchase of 2,700 MRAP's certainly isn't to aid in apprehending muslim terrorists boarding aircraft. We know they aren't planning a land war with Mexico or Canada. And we know the administration doesn't care who crosses the border illegally. That leaves only one group of people as the potential targets for such a large militia - American citizens.

What is next on their Wish List? M1 Abrams tanks? A fleet of 10,000 armed, Vietnam style river boats? How about an armed DHS "Security Office" on every street corner in every city, village and subdivision? How long before DHS is patrolling every bus station, train station, truck stop, marina, factory, farm and rural landing strip?

DHS is going to end up with one of the largest and best armed militia forces in the world and their weapons are all trained inward toward law abiding citizens of the USA.

There is a reason Obama is pushing so hard for the right to use drones to kill Americans he declares to be terrorists. It is only one small step for Obama to go from claiming that right on foreign soil to claiming the same authority against "terrorists" within our own borders. And it is only another small step for him to claim the right to kill those same Americans with weapons other than drones.

Any republican senator or congressman who buys into giving Obama the authority to kill an America Obama himself declares to be a terrorist is signing a death warrant for the citizens they represent.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 8:30:46 AM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Texas Eagle

POLICE/RESCUE????


31 posted on 03/04/2013 8:31:17 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: rlmorel

Maybe it’s “Police Rescue”...


32 posted on 03/04/2013 8:33:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: concerned about politics

“And whoever it is, they clearly have a vision of having to maintain social order when the financial system blows up - which sure seems to be what they’re planning for. 2,700 APC’s can’t be wronge, can they? And for local police? WTF?””

Tanks are really only good for limited things. They can kill lots of people in, say, a Glen Beck rally where a million people show up to protest something. (I was in DC for the 9/11 rally.) But Tea Partiers will not riot. The tanks would only be used once. Assuming a war broke out and assuming 25% of the 330 million people are going to be on Tea Party side, that’s 82 million people. That would be the largest army on Earth. DHS in tanks don’t go to a protected Army base at night, they go to the suburbs. The Tea Partiers would find them at home and kill them there. Also, DHS is not full of trained troops. They’re bureaucrats with guns.

Also, Israel, China and Russia will start sending help. Missiles, technical help, money…

No civil war goes as planned. It would be messy and the “government” would lose. Consider too that the military will not sit idly by while civilians are slaughtered.


33 posted on 03/04/2013 8:35:05 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: SeekAndFind

They are Government Death Panel Tanks.


34 posted on 03/04/2013 8:35:47 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

"WE" cannot continue to rely on our military..........
in order to achieve the national security objectives "WE'VE" set. "WE'VE" got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” ----- oboma.

Who is "WE"?
Who is the "WE" that doesn't think our military will obey "THEIR" orders to achieve "THEIR" objectives? What are these new "objectives?" Who get's to be in charge of this "alternative" army?

35 posted on 03/04/2013 8:37:44 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: Iron Munro
"Janetalia"

Very Funny, but also very, very sick (and cannot be un-thought now)

36 posted on 03/04/2013 8:40:22 AM PST by Paladin2
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