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Map Shows Where 220mph Trains Would Go in the U.S.
Mashable ^ | 10 Feb 2013 | Charlie White

Posted on 03/04/2013 2:59:36 PM PST by MeganC

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See the map and etc. at the link.

The idea of building the system as a kind of Interstate System for the 21st Century is idealistic at best. As is being seen in California the best that can be hoped for is limited HSR service in congested urban areas like Los Angeles. In the San Francisco Bay Area the HSR plan is doomed to die a death by a thousand cuts via lawsuits and other forms of NIMBY-ism.

Oddly, a bad economy is going to be the best thing to prevent this from ever being built.

1 posted on 03/04/2013 2:59:43 PM PST by MeganC
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To: MeganC

2 posted on 03/04/2013 3:05:40 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: MeganC

Moronic! Pure libtard lunacy!


3 posted on 03/04/2013 3:06:52 PM PST by texican01
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To: MeganC

You may laugh at this but hybrid airplane and lighter than air ships are more practical and likely.


4 posted on 03/04/2013 3:07:17 PM PST by wewereright
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To: MeganC

I don’t want a high speed rail, though. I want an 1800s kind of train with buffalo hunting from the windows encouraged.


5 posted on 03/04/2013 3:07:54 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: MeganC
He even included the Rio Norte Line between Cheyenne and El Paso.
6 posted on 03/04/2013 3:08:22 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: MeganC
artist and activist Alfred Twu

Yes that makes him uniquely qualified in this venture...

7 posted on 03/04/2013 3:08:31 PM PST by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: familyop

Lol.


8 posted on 03/04/2013 3:10:09 PM PST by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: MeganC

It’s bad form to post an article about a picture then not post the picture. How hard is it?


9 posted on 03/04/2013 3:11:33 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: MeganC
Map Shows Where 220mph Trains Would Go in the U.S.

Directly into union coffers for laundering then return to dem pol's.

10 posted on 03/04/2013 3:12:00 PM PST by umgud
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To: MeganC

We saw this fantasy map already, I think.

There were efforts by the private railroads to increase the speeds of intercity trains back in the 50s and early 60s, all of which were crushed by increasing governmental regulation imposed by liberal politicians in DC—who now claim to be champions of high-speed passenger rail, at ten to twenty times the price.


11 posted on 03/04/2013 3:12:16 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: MeganC

These are the same artist conceptions that, when created in 1967, showed how we all would be vacationing on the moon right now.


12 posted on 03/04/2013 3:12:28 PM PST by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: MeganC

Of course these will be operated by thousands of highly compensated Amtrak employed Teamster represented Democrat supporting employees.


13 posted on 03/04/2013 3:13:34 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: wewereright

19th Century Technology. Next they will suggest horse-drawn carriages.


14 posted on 03/04/2013 3:13:56 PM PST by RickGee
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To: MeganC

Just think if we had NOT gotten into all the wars AFTER
WW2, “Korea, Vietnam, Iraq 1, Iraq 2, Afghanistan, Pakistan”
how many hi-speed trains we would have AND ZERO killed
from the armed services. Another point. Increase the gauge
of the HS rail 12 to 188 inches.


15 posted on 03/04/2013 3:17:58 PM PST by cliff630
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To: MeganC

Let’s see: LA to NY by air $200 and 6 hours. by “high speed” train (not including the $2 trillion subsidy) $800 and 2 days. Including subsidy and something like current riders (30 million), that would be $68,800 and 2 days. Looks like a trillion dollars STILL is a huge amount of money.


16 posted on 03/04/2013 3:19:53 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: cliff630

12 to 188 inches===NOT QUITE. That is one foot to almost
17 feet.. that should read 12 to 18 inches


17 posted on 03/04/2013 3:22:49 PM PST by cliff630
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To: familyop

So would you also like to endorse the concept of Buffalo Commons, an idea proposed by Rutgers geographer Frank Popper for depopulating most of the Great Plains to let it go back to nature? LOL!!! I know your post was in jest about HSR in general but the buffalo reference reminded me about Popper’s idea.


18 posted on 03/04/2013 3:24:27 PM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: MeganC
I don't want to hate on Trains too much, I loved them as a kid I always thought they were neat and very nostalgic.

Modern Freight Trains also remains a very economical solution to moving very large volumes of goods.

However "light rail" or whatever the hell they keep pushing on us is nothing but a government slush fund program.

If the Free Market Demands them, they will be built.

Otherwise, we will always have our train sets.


19 posted on 03/04/2013 3:24:44 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: Redmen4ever

I think I figured it out. The reason these insane LIBs’ brains don’t explode is that they don’t have any brains. This Twu subhuman is obviously mentally disturbed. His ideas aren’t ideas...they are disjointed ramblings of a pathetically unstable moron.


20 posted on 03/04/2013 3:25:29 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: MeganC
I created a petition to the White House to fund such a system," he told Mashable

What does this sentence mean in English : "petition to the White House to fund such a system"?

21 posted on 03/04/2013 3:26:00 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: MeganC

22 posted on 03/04/2013 3:27:00 PM PST by concentric circles
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To: All

it would be like China’s ghost cities.. you know, the ones Obama, Biden and the democrats are all envious of and want to replicate here.


23 posted on 03/04/2013 3:27:39 PM PST by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: familyop

“I want an 1800s kind of train with buffalo hunting from the windows encouraged.”

Come on up to Cody and we’ll show you how that works from a pickup truck!


24 posted on 03/04/2013 3:27:47 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC
Jet planes travel at 600 mph.
America is just too big for trains.
It served well enough back when there was no better alternative. That's not the case anymore.

25 posted on 03/04/2013 3:29:36 PM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: concentric circles

Thanks. I forgot to do that.


26 posted on 03/04/2013 3:29:44 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: KC_Lion

Too much of the transportation sector is in the hands of the government now. Allowing streetcars or “light rail”, never mind any kind of passenger rail (despite the latter’s role in building the country) to be built in any kind of economic or frugal fashion just can’t be done, mainly because the government owns all the infrastructure (not in the case of private freight-hauling railroads) but also because of the infinite pages of government regulations that get in the way (most definitely in the case of private railroads).

This is why you don’t even see private companies running city buses anymore—they are all state or city agencies.

We don’t have fast freight on the rails anymore due to government regulations, either; there used to be freight trains running at 90 mph, but that got regulated out of existence.

See a pattern?


27 posted on 03/04/2013 3:31:52 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: MeganC

In the SF Bay area there is NO WHERE to build a corridor for high speed anything. The current state plan calls for bussing people from the Bay Area to the central valley to pick up a train. The top speed for the train proposed in California turns out to be less than 60 mph due to all of the right of ways and towns up and down the valley.

this map is some idiot’s wet dream


28 posted on 03/04/2013 3:32:18 PM PST by Nifster
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To: T-Bird45

I disagree much with the “buffalo commons” idea. But how about pushing legislation to make some of more the politically correct animal worshipers up here “free the buffalo?” Then we can start a more efficient breeding program and hunt ‘em, eh? Give ‘em a dose of their own medicine, seeing as how they’ve robbed some real ranchers (animal protection laws enforced against high altitude ranchers of cattle).


29 posted on 03/04/2013 3:35:49 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: BitWielder1

“America is just too big for trains.”

HSR makes sense for regional hops of less than 400 to maybe 600 miles or along an existing (and successful) corridor like Washington DC to Boston. But for long hauls you’re right that it just can’t compete with aircraft.

Unless, of course, Obozo has his way and institutes carbon taxes that make air travel cost prohibitive for everyone but the limousine liberals.


30 posted on 03/04/2013 3:35:50 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC

Ridership is not a consideration.

This is a union make-work project.

Central planning. Where thinking is discouraged.


31 posted on 03/04/2013 3:36:16 PM PST by lurk
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To: Olog-hai
We don’t have fast freight on the rails anymore due to government regulations, either; there used to be freight trains running at 90 mph, but that got regulated out of existence.

A VERY good point!

The 2359643 Government Regulations and Taxes are killing Private industry.

Which is what they want, they wanted the Bus Service etc etc too, it's all part of the Party of Government plan.

32 posted on 03/04/2013 3:39:01 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: newnhdad

..great idea - stitch all the lib shit holes together so they can migrate faster than ever...


33 posted on 03/04/2013 3:39:14 PM PST by telstar12.5 (...always bring gunships to a gun fight...)
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To: concentric circles
Well, for starters, he's got Tulsa, Oklahoma placed somewhere out on the west side of what we call Osage county.

Tulsa's about 60 miles south and east of where he's showing it.

34 posted on 03/04/2013 3:39:37 PM PST by OKSooner (Godspeed, 3-D Danny.)
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To: concentric circles

This idiot completely misplaces Ottawa.

Plus the cross-Florida xfer is just absurd.


35 posted on 03/04/2013 3:42:11 PM PST by RossA
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To: Redmen4ever

Right, even high speed trains aren’t competitive with air travel on long-haul flights. The question is whether high speed trains are competitive with air travel on short haul flights?

I don’t know the answer to this, but it’s a question that is worth asking. Chicago to New York in 4 hours or so is pretty competitive (in my view) with airline service, particularly if I can arrive at Penn Station as opposed to landing in Long Island or New Jersey and having to take a car into the city.

I can fly Boston to New York a lot faster than I can take the Acela. But on the Acela, the seats are a lot more comfortable, I can spread out at a table, I can bring a computer, I can do work, and the train stops in the city. That’s pretty good.

The question is not the initial cost—which, as the author indicates, is relatively trivial over a long period of years—but the ongoing costs of maintenance and service. Would a ticket on my Chicago-NY train be $250 or $1000? All of that makes a pretty big difference, I think.


36 posted on 03/04/2013 3:42:24 PM PST by Publius Valerius
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To: MeganC
Here is the only spot they could fit it in California (over the words "Marina Fwy":


37 posted on 03/04/2013 3:42:38 PM PST by freedumb2003 (I learned everything I needed to know about racism from Colin Powell)
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To: concentric circles

No dallas to Las Vegas. BOOOO


38 posted on 03/04/2013 3:44:16 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: MeganC

Hey, I want a map of unicorn farms and leprechauns with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.


39 posted on 03/04/2013 3:44:16 PM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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“In the SF Bay area there is NO WHERE to build a corridor for high speed anything.”

Sure there is. It can be built along the right of way that Cal Train uses, it can be built elevated on top of that right of way, and it can be built under that right of way just the same as BART is built under a portion of that right of way. It could also be tunneled across the Bay to the new terminal near AT&T Park.

So long as it isn’t done with tax money I personally don’t care where they build it. Or not. It’s California - let them stew in traffic.


40 posted on 03/04/2013 3:45:24 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: Publius Valerius

Trains and airports are both very heavy front cost items. It would be nice to see a long term study of something say, an Atlanta to LA 40 year cost analysis for both.


41 posted on 03/04/2013 3:45:59 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: MeganC

The newness of the railroad linking Washington to Boston (relatively speaking) dates to the 1900s. There were several opportunities to straighten out several curves and they were not taken. The DC politicians were promising 160-mph operation as far back as the late 1960s with the Metroliner multiple-unit trains, and they still have not delivered (what makes that sad is that they would have been the fastest trains in the world at that time if that had come to pass).


42 posted on 03/04/2013 3:47:28 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: MeganC
This map is just some freelance kook's imagining. It doesn't have much to do with reality.

Nobody is going from New York to Los Angeles by "high speed rail."

That doesn't mean that high speed rail won't be practical between cities with much much intercity traffic.

It's not an enemy of highways or airlines, but something to help cope with and reduce congestion.

43 posted on 03/04/2013 3:48:30 PM PST by x
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“Hey, I want a map of unicorn farms and leprechauns with a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.”

Why is it that I suspect that I really could get a Federal grant to do this for you?


44 posted on 03/04/2013 3:48:59 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: Nifster
I really like that idea of a high speed rail between Sacramento and Reno. I wonder if the author ever drove that route? It's 7,000 feet high of winding mountain passes.

That ought to be a real scream at 200 MPH.

-PJ

45 posted on 03/04/2013 3:49:16 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: lurk

High speed trains seem to be a communist’s wet dream.


46 posted on 03/04/2013 3:50:08 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: concentric circles

lol

is that a REAL map or a complete joke?

so CHICAGO is the high speed rail hub of the US ?!?!?!??!!

ROFL

OMFG! you have GOT to be KIDDING Me!!! who the hell goes to Chigago!!!!!!

this is either a joke, or Obama’s personal kickback to his adopted corupt state.


47 posted on 03/04/2013 3:51:34 PM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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48 posted on 03/04/2013 3:54:39 PM PST by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: MeganC

Yep. Just what we need: Another money sucking, worthless Government boondoggle.


49 posted on 03/04/2013 3:57:40 PM PST by OldMissileer
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To: x

“This map is just some freelance kook’s imagining.”

Not that I support the idea, but from the article comes this statement:

>>Twu’s not just guessing where those routes should be, either. “The routes are based on various studies by government agencies and advocacy groups,” he explains. <<

That means that someone has spent taxpayer money on these various proposals and this map is just a summary of all of those proposals in one, single graphic.


50 posted on 03/04/2013 3:59:05 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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