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Senate Judiciary Committee Likely to Vote(Thursday) on Bipartisan Gun Bill.(S54-Leahy+ 2 Rinos)
The Caucus ^ | 4 Mar 13 | JENNIFER STEINHAUER

Posted on 03/04/2013 7:52:21 PM PST by xzins

The Senate Judiciary Committee is set to vote Thursday on a bipartisan gun safety measure designed to curb illegal gun trafficking and purchasing.

The bill, which would toughen the penalties for those who purchase a gun illegally for others to up to 15 years and make gun trafficking a felony, has attracted the most bipartisan support so far of four measures headed for the committee.

The measure is a marriage of a gun-trafficking bill designed by Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and chairman of the committee, and a similar bill that was being put together between Senators Kirsten Gillibrand, Democrat of New York, and Mark Steven Kirk, Republican of Illinois. It will be co-sponsored by Senators Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, and Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut.

Most significantly, the bill has received intense interest from Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the top Republican on the Judiciary Committee, who has a strong rating from the National Rifle Association.

A proposal to reinstate an assault weapons ban, which would also ban certain high-capacity magazines, is unlikely to attract Republican votes and would have almost no chance of passing the full Senate, should it even get out of the committee.

“The absence of any federal law defining gun trafficking as a crime in this country is shocking,” Ms. Gillibrand said in a statement. She added: “By cracking down on straw purchasers, illegal gun traffickers and their vast criminal networks, we can stop the flow of illegal guns and reduce gun crime. I look forward to working with all of our colleagues on both side of the aisle to pass this important piece of legislation.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; govtabuse; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus

S 54 IS

113th CONGRESS

1st Session

S. 54

To increase public safety by punishing and deterring firearms trafficking.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

January 22 (legislative day, January 3), 2013

Mr. LEAHY (for himself and Mr. DURBIN) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


A BILL

To increase public safety by punishing and deterring firearms trafficking.

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

SEC. 2. TABLE OF CONTENTS.

SEC. 3. PUNISHING AND DETERRING STRAW PURCHASING OF FIREARMS.

‘Sec. 932. Straw purchasing of firearms

‘Sec. 933. Forfeiture and fines

SEC. 4. AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 922(a)(6).

SEC. 5. AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 922(d).

SEC. 6. AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 924(h).

SEC. 7. AMENDMENTS TO SECTION 924(k).


1 posted on 03/04/2013 7:52:34 PM PST by xzins
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To: xzins

So they will crack down on people buying their sons Ruger 10/22’s for Christmas, that’s what will happen. Give them an inch and they take a mile.


2 posted on 03/04/2013 7:55:33 PM PST by Husker24
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To: P-Marlowe

The devil’s always in the details.

So, if I’m going on vacation and leave my guns with my neighbor, and his kid is, unknown to me, illegally doing controlled substances, then it appears that I’m screwed unless I can prove that I didn’t know the kid was doing oxycontin.

Is that right???


3 posted on 03/04/2013 7:55:44 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Gett out of jail free card loophole...

(b) Subsection (a) shall not apply to any firearm that is lawfully purchased by a person—

‘(1) to be given as a bona fide gift to a recipient who provided no service or tangible thing of value...


4 posted on 03/04/2013 7:59:51 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: Husker24

This is one of those kind of bills that they use to pile on and add extra charges to someone they’re already trying to nail.

Also, a lot of this bill involves the eye of the beholder.

And, what if one state has more restrictive laws than another state.

The law says: ***unless the person knows or has reason to believe such recipient is prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing, receiving, selling, shipping, transporting, transferring, or otherwise disposing of the firearm; or***


5 posted on 03/04/2013 8:03:17 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: stylin19a

see the word “unless”


6 posted on 03/04/2013 8:05:31 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Husker24
Give them an inch, and they'll be your ruler.


7 posted on 03/04/2013 8:08:43 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: xzins

Sounds like hubby would not be able to buy me any firearms for Valentine’s Day. Nope, don’t like this.

Yet our fearless leaders have let fast and furious fade away with only a whimper.


8 posted on 03/04/2013 8:10:21 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: All

full text of S54 at:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s54/text


9 posted on 03/04/2013 8:14:35 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

If Kirk is in support of this bill, then it’s a bad one.


10 posted on 03/04/2013 8:28:36 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: xzins
Any person convicted of a violation of this chapter shall forfeit to the United States, irrespective of any provision of State law--

Trying to demonstrate federal superiority over state laws like the Firearms Freedom Act in Montana and others....

Hmm...so there seems to be a question of what laws are superior - last time that didn't work out so well.

Folks would do well to learn from history - This time around, don't invade Pennsylvania to acquire boots (avoiding a Gettysburg II) and make sure your forces have at least one canon factory before hostilities start.

11 posted on 03/04/2013 8:32:55 PM PST by Repeat Offender (What good are conservative principles if we don't stand by them?)
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To: Tammy8
If it weren't a matter of murder it would be funny. But the way this is written, everyone involved in Fast and Furious would be guilty:

‘(h)(1) Whoever knowingly receives or transfers a firearm or ammunition, or attempts or conspires to do so, knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such firearm or ammunition will be used to commit a crime of violence (as defined in subsection (c)(3)), a drug trafficking crime (as defined in subsection (c)(2)), or a crime under the Arms Export Control Act (22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq.), the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.), the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act (21 U.S.C. 1901 et seq.), or section 212(a)(2)(C) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(a)(2)(C)) shall be imprisoned not more than 30 years, fined in accordance with this title, or both.

12 posted on 03/04/2013 8:34:10 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Tammy8

See post #4


13 posted on 03/04/2013 9:01:26 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: xzins

Could this be used to “pile on” to the offenses committed by that bunch?


14 posted on 03/04/2013 9:04:49 PM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

So hubby could buy me a firearm...but only if I no longer cook for him, or do his laundry, or anything else that someone might pay for...

I do not trust politicians, they create laws that say one thing, are enforced however and whenever authorities choose, and then are subject to opinions of judges and juries. No thanks!


15 posted on 03/04/2013 10:26:43 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: stylin19a

Not really, if you know someone well enough to want to buy them a firearm or are related to them they likely have done something for you at one time or another that could be considered providing a service or tangible thing of value.

Want to buy your son a firearm? If so you better not ask him to take out the trash or buy you a present on your birthday...


16 posted on 03/04/2013 10:31:02 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: xzins

That was my first thought when I read it.


17 posted on 03/04/2013 10:34:51 PM PST by Tammy8 (~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
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To: facedown
If Kirk Durbin is in support of this bill, then it’s a bad terrible one.

What's wrong with the laws as they currently are? This law will do what the other 20,000 haven't been yet able to do?

GIGO and our liberties diminished as a byproduct. When will our fellow Americans learn that government isn't the answer, it's the problem.

18 posted on 03/05/2013 3:47:10 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Husker24

There is a section that deals with that, but you’re right, anything they do is “infringement”.


19 posted on 03/05/2013 3:56:48 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: xzins

I didn’t read the whole thing but it appears you’d have to either know or have a reasonable suspicion that such was going on. Of course, our masters get to decide what “reasonable” means.


20 posted on 03/05/2013 3:58:19 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Tammy8

Gifts are supposedly exempt.

I wonder if the bill is retroactive. Maybe that’s why Grassley likes it. Holder should go to prison for not more than 20 years.


21 posted on 03/05/2013 4:01:17 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: xzins
Senators Mark Steven Kirk, Republican of Illinois, and Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, should rethink their support.


22 posted on 03/05/2013 4:06:45 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Tammy8
How this will work is this: If you buy and sell a gun, then you can be charged with gun trafficing and then you get the chance to prove you didn't have the intent!!

Bad! but not a single congress critter on our side has enough sense to see the consequences of giving the gubment power to intercede in gun transactions!

23 posted on 03/05/2013 4:56:05 AM PST by cb
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To: xzins
unless I can prove that I didn’t know the kid was doing oxycontin.

Good luck proving a negative !!

We have enough laws, it is time to disband the District of Corruption, or at least make the Congresscritters work from their home districts and states and only go to the corruption district a couple of times a session. THAT WILL MAKE THEM FEEL THE HEAT OF THEIR CONSTITUENTS BACK HOME. There is way too much mischief going on back there on the east coast when out of sight of the folk who put them there. The district turns them - almost 95% of all the go to work there.
24 posted on 03/05/2013 5:55:13 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: xzins

this is crap. we have enough laws. If they aren’t prosecuting the existing law, what do we need new ones for?


25 posted on 03/05/2013 6:43:06 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: demshateGod

Depending on who is in power, it could be worse than that, demshateGod.

Any transaction could be questioned and then you’d have to prove that you weren’t breaking the law. Even if they didn’t fine or convict you, they could still cost you enormous amounts of time and legal fees.


26 posted on 03/05/2013 7:05:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

It’s certainly intended to maximize their power and limit our freedom.


27 posted on 03/05/2013 8:06:57 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

You are exactly right about that.


28 posted on 03/05/2013 8:43:32 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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