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Rogue Cop Christopher Dorner and Prescription Psychotropic Medications
American Thinker ^ | March 3, 2013 | Charles Gant, MD

Posted on 03/05/2013 12:35:05 AM PST by neverdem

With the Christopher Dorner case, the role of prescription psychotropic drugs in mass killings has again come to the forefront. Numerous articles have approached the role of so-called "psych meds" in causing depraved and indifferent violent behavior, but one in particular deserves attention because it highlights the fact that among psychiatric professionals there is no coherent understanding of what needs to be done after we take people off of drugs that are prescribed for their psychiatric illnesses.

The article -- Jon Rappoport's "Is Christopher Dorner Another Psychiatric Killer?" -- makes a number of important points about the former Los Angeles police officer's mental health. Dorner had been treated for severe depression since 2008, and Rappoport correctly proposes that the drugs Dorner was prescribed to treat his depression were almost certainly among the causes of his seeking violent revenge against members of the Los Angeles Police Department.

But there are problems with Mr. Rappoport's article that need to be addressed. Contrary to his assertion that brain chemistry is not a key to developing psychiatric illnesses, mood disorders and other psychiatric illnesses are in fact directly connected to the brain's ability to produce key neurotransmitters, including the relaxant serotonin, painkilling endorphins and enkephalins, anxiety-preventing GABA, and feel-good catecholamines such as dopamine. When the brain does not receive the necessary nutrients to enable neurons to assemble these neurotransmitters, or when other factors cause neurotransmitter production and transmission to break down, illnesses including depression, anxiety, ADHD, and bipolar illness, among many others, often result. When prescription psychotropic medications are used to treat these conditions, frontal lobe damage often ensues. Recently, the term "frontal lobe syndrome" has been brought into use to describe the effects of prolonged prescription psychotropic drug use that damages this portion of the brain and increases our propensity to act violently...

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cannabis; dorner; drugs; drugwar; frontallobesyndrome; marijuana; mentalillness; psychdrugs; psychiatricdrugs; psychiatricmedicine; psychiatry; psychmeds; warondrugs; wod; wodlist; wosd

1 posted on 03/05/2013 12:35:17 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Excellent article. I wonder if Dorner was on SSRI medication.


2 posted on 03/05/2013 1:14:07 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Dorner was tripped, why ever- how ever, no answers. Yet, how about LAPD, that were shooting at non-Dorners. Just askin’; were the shooter’s scripts- high&tight. Had to be some thing wrong, right? Maybe, no.


3 posted on 03/05/2013 1:27:11 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: neverdem

Too bad cannabis is so slandered and unavailable. A couple of puffs of some stout Indica, and all he would have killed would have been a bag of cookies.


4 posted on 03/05/2013 1:29:06 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: Smokin' Joe

I spoke with a retired SrChief who served with him in the Gulf outside Bahrain (by now it’s hearsay). He has a reputation then. Went something along the lines of the Sr Chief and Dorner assigned to board vessels passing through the Straits, inspect their papers to verify their cargo and destination, and be on their way. SrChief handled the first few inspections showing Dorner how they had been doing it.

SrChief to 1stOfficer OOD of ship: Thanks for letting us aboard. We recognize you don;t have toshow us your papers, but there are easy and hard ways of doing things. If you show us your papers, I radio back to my command we’ve seen them, we wave you on, and we go back to our command and you continue on your way. If you don’t, then I have to report back I haven’t seen the papers and I don’t really know what they do then.

In most cases the ship’s OOD/Captain voluntarily shared the info, no problems. Sometimes a baving face gesture of 1stMate saying no, but Captain intervening would occur, but same result, they waved them through.

Now Dorner wanted to try on the next ship:
Dorner to OOD: Look! We can do this the hard way or the easy way. The Hard way, I kill you and everybody on deck, then look at your papers,..the easy way you show me your papers....

SrChief to Dorner as they are departing the ship,....OK, the kill everybody thing went just a little over the top....

Supposedly Dorner did well at desk duties as many performed in the Gulf War Zone after they got over the “Gee, you mean now I can really use this thing when I see fit???” mentality when they were armed and on patrol. Chalk it up to insufficient training for explicit and general mission orders.


5 posted on 03/05/2013 1:44:51 AM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: rawcatslyentist
all he would have killed would have been a bag of cookies

He looked like he'd already been killing bags of cookies for quite a while.

6 posted on 03/05/2013 2:06:48 AM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

To my recollection, we have also not yet heard on the toxicology report on the Newtown Shooter and what ‘meds’ he was on.


7 posted on 03/05/2013 2:54:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

All the details of the shooter, weapons used, etc., have pretty much gone down the Memory Hole. The official report was supposed to take about 6 months, and though Newtown is often cited as the latest bloodbath excuse to take firearms from law-abiding citizens, there isn’t much really settled there, imho. Too many contradictory and unconfirmed reports early on leave us with debatable data at best.


8 posted on 03/05/2013 3:02:53 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

Years ago, a doctor (counselor) prescribed one of those “antidepressant” drugs for me; I think it was called Thorazine. Horrible! Threw me into a worse depression. Had to try something else, AND another doctor; then gradually phased off all drugs. Horrible is the only way I can describe what these pretender “experts” did. (That “doctor” would sit me clear across the room from his desk like I was dirty and he was scared of catching my “disease” during the couple of sessions I had with him; then charge us $180 an hour for it.) Some things are best forgotten, and forgiven.


9 posted on 03/05/2013 3:08:12 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: neverdem

I wonder what psychotropic Lizzie Borden was on when she took an axe and gave her mother 40 whacks? I wonder what psychotropic the guy that blew up the school in Michigan was on when he killed all those kids in 1937? I wonder what Stalin was on when he killed the kulaks? Nero when he torched the Christians?


10 posted on 03/05/2013 3:12:54 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: Smokin' Joe

And I wonder when he decided to go OFF his meds. When people on these meds decide they’re all better, they sometimes decide to just quit taking them. THAT’S when they “go crazy”. They don’t realize that one has to gradually lower the dosage, with a doctor’s help, or they will be in worse shape than before the meds.

Tox reports should not only include what meds were found in the body, they should also include the drugs the decedent were prescribed BUT WERE NOT FOUND IN THEIR SYSTEM.


11 posted on 03/05/2013 3:33:08 AM PST by blu
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To: blu
Tox reports should not only include what meds were found in the body, they should also include the drugs the decedent were prescribed BUT WERE NOT FOUND IN THEIR SYSTEM.

Agreed. You are correct that the SSRIs especially, are hard to quit, and have to be reduced in dosage slowly over time. Not for amateurs.

12 posted on 03/05/2013 3:39:09 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: blu

Bingo.


13 posted on 03/05/2013 3:58:10 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Gaffer

“To my recollection, we have also not yet heard on the toxicology report on the Newtown Shooter and what ‘meds’ he was on.”

Its difficult to say what role psychiatric drugs play in these cases since they are only given to people who already have psychological problems. Its like saying chemotherapy drugs cause the death of cancer patients.


14 posted on 03/05/2013 4:00:16 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
It does make an interesting Least Common Demoninator, though: how many of these exceptional mass violence episodes were conducted by people on psychological drugs? Of the population currently being medicated with these drugs, how many are leading relatively normal lives and how many have been involved in abberant activities, such as suicide?

We can't ignore the possibilities where any activity that was once rare has suddenly becoming more common. The Left wants to blame AR-15s and ignore other potential causative factors. Why are our crazies becoming crazier?

While we're at it, why do we have vastly more of our kids becoming autistic? Why are we seeing increases in "gay" indentification? Why isn't our government interested in finding out?

15 posted on 03/05/2013 4:17:24 AM PST by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

“Too bad cannabis is so slandered and unavailable.”

Yeah, why is that? I’d think more conservatives would warm up to it more than they do the man-made stuff. After all, it IS one of God’s creations intended for human consumption and enjoyment. It could be that the few who’ve tried it think the initial high, which is much more intense than subsequent “buzzes”, is how it’s always going to be. Not true! It’s one of those things that rather than become addicted, users become acclimated to its effect(s), none of which include the kinds of violent behavior we see by people on certain pharmaceuticals. No doubt about it, I’d much rather work with and be neighbors with pot heads than pharma heads.


16 posted on 03/05/2013 4:36:09 AM PST by RedBallJet
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To: RedBallJet

Marijuana IS associated with mental illness, especially amongst teenagers.


17 posted on 03/05/2013 5:31:23 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: RedBallJet

As someone who grew up in the 1960s, I could not disagree more. I have seen so many minds and lives destroyed by marijuana - I think it is more dangerous than heroin.


18 posted on 03/05/2013 6:29:44 AM PST by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Smokin' Joe
Good points, Smokin’ Joe.
Armchair psychoanalysis and evaluation without any basis in tox reports is very irresponsible and unprofessional.
First, get the evidence and interviews of witnesses, then start drawing conclusions.
TWB
19 posted on 03/05/2013 7:01:11 AM PST by TWhiteBear (Sarah Palin...The Flame of the North)
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To: mac_truck
It's not the cause of mental illness, but it can bring it out in the open where it can be treated. Actually it is useful in detecting mental illness.

As far as lives being ruined by cannabis, stop blaming things and circumstances! Personal responsibility people!

20 posted on 03/05/2013 7:48:06 AM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: mac_truck; kabumpo
Marijuana IS associated with mental illness

Association is not causation. "But here's the conundrum: while marijuana went from being a secret shared by a small community of hepcats and beatniks in the 1940s and '50s to a rite of passage for some 70% of youth by the turn of the century, rates of schizophrenia in the U.S. have remained flat, or possibly declined." - http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2005559,00.html

21 posted on 03/05/2013 8:01:33 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: neverdem
Listened to PBS seminar on these medications and they said that people who go on these are most unstable:

1]When they first start them

2] When dosage is adjusted up or down

3] When other medications are added

4] When other medications are subtracted

5] When a person stops taking them because he can't afford them anymore and/or he can't afford to see the doctor every month as required.

22 posted on 03/05/2013 9:17:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: mac_truck

It’s not for kids. Not any more than alcohol is before the age of 20 or 21.


23 posted on 03/05/2013 10:09:48 AM PST by RedBallJet
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To: kabumpo

“I think it is more dangerous than heroin.”

Why is that? I’ve never heard of anyone OD’ing on pot or coming down with AIDS after sharing a joint or a bowl. You could say that because pot use is considered to be a “gateway” to other drugs like heroin but a pot smoker doesn’t necesarily say, “I’ve been there and done that with weed and now it’s time to move on to heroin.”. They get around to heroin whenever they get to it. Probably when they run out of ways to get prescription drugs like Oxycontin, Vicodin, Hydrocodone and Xanax.


24 posted on 03/05/2013 10:09:59 AM PST by RedBallJet
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To: neverdem

Yep, the anti-depressants are at the root of every mass shooting. Dr. Whitacker even made it the subject of his March newsletter.

We can count on the pharma/poison vendors to do all they can to deflect this fact, but it isn’t going away.


25 posted on 03/07/2013 8:23:05 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: RedBallJet

Marijuana has been tied to manic behavior. If you are crazy, smoking dope makes you crazier. They were guys on my hall who became violent when they smoked it. Everyone else would be mellow and they would be paranoid freakouts or just plain mean.


26 posted on 03/07/2013 8:28:54 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Gaffer

>> “To my recollection, we have also not yet heard on the toxicology report on the Newtown Shooter and what ‘meds’ he was on.” <<

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And you most likely will not.

Looks like they plan on keeping all facts sealed ala-JFK/Warren Commission.


27 posted on 03/07/2013 8:29:27 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Twinkie

Thorazine? Don’t they usually give that to violent people?


28 posted on 03/07/2013 8:29:36 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: gusopol3

>> “I wonder what psychotropic Lizzie Borden was on...” <<

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Yes, the strawman/deflection route is the way the thugs want to brush off this drug problem. No surprise.


29 posted on 03/07/2013 8:33:54 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AppyPappy; Twinkie

>> “Thorazine? Don’t they usually give that to violent people?” <<

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No, thorazine was given to people they wanted to be violent.

It was the proximate cause of numerous beatings and deaths of attendants in mental hospitals.


30 posted on 03/07/2013 8:36:17 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: mac_truck

>> “Marijuana IS associated with mental illness, especially amongst teenagers.” <<

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Looks like this thread is going to be filled with all the bullshit lies and myths that any kook can concoct, huh?


31 posted on 03/07/2013 8:40:37 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Uncle Chip

PBS:

Propaganda Bull Sh!t ministry.


32 posted on 03/07/2013 8:43:49 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AppyPappy

>> “Marijuana has been tied to manic behavior. If you are crazy, smoking dope makes you crazier. They were guys on my hall who became violent when they smoked it. Everyone else would be mellow and they would be paranoid freakouts or just plain mean.” <<

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Much of the legend of canabis can be tied to the “angel dust” that unscrupulous vendors would add to it to give it the zing people were looking for.


33 posted on 03/07/2013 8:55:13 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Much of the legend of cannabis can be tied to the “angel dust” that unscrupulous vendors would add to it to give it the zing people were looking for.

Indeed - and one doesn't hear of that sort of thing being done to the legal, regulated mind-altering drug alcohol.

34 posted on 03/07/2013 9:49:52 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies ("The Lord has removed His judgments against you" - Zep. 3:15)
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To: AppyPappy

“If you are crazy, smoking dope makes you crazier.”

That all depends on what meaning of “crazy” is but I think you’re referring to a vast minority of smokers. Cancer patients who smoke are crazy with dread (no pun intended)but I sincerely doubt they are made crazy by cannabis.


35 posted on 03/07/2013 10:03:50 AM PST by RedBallJet
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To: editor-surveyor

Nah, we all smoked the same stuff.


36 posted on 03/07/2013 10:18:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: AppyPappy

“They”? Who are “they”? - I wasn’t violent back then OR now. - All I know was that it threw me into a deep, dark depression of the highest order; just sat and stared at the wall.


37 posted on 03/07/2013 10:28:18 AM PST by Twinkie (JOHN 3:16)
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To: Twinkie

You’re lucky that you broke free of it, too many don’t ever get free.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 11:34:54 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Your posting style is misleading.

Are you disputing the fact that marijuana use is associated with mental-illness, especially in teens?

39 posted on 03/07/2013 1:30:02 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Are you disputing the fact that marijuana use is associated with mental-illness, especially in teens?

There's no denying the association is made. It's also been associated with white women having sex with jazz musicians.

40 posted on 03/07/2013 1:40:04 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: mac_truck

>> “Are you disputing the fact that marijuana use is associated with mental-illness, especially in teens?” <<

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Most assuredly so!

The Nixon “Blue Ribbon” commission found that there was no evidence whatsoever of any measureable lasting effect beyond weight gain in a small number of individuals.

Nixon had believed the ignorant myths, and counted on the report to call for strident regulation.


41 posted on 03/07/2013 2:43:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Google is your friend choomer...sativa isn't.

New Support for Link Between Cannabis and Schizophrenia

More Evidence Cannabis Use Linked to Schizophrenia

Cannabis Use May Lead To Schizophrenia

If cannabis is safe, why am I psychotic

42 posted on 03/07/2013 10:11:35 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

If yopu like unscientific nonsense and politics masquerading as ‘science,’ Go For It.

The brain you lose will be your own.


43 posted on 03/08/2013 7:29:43 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

IOW..you’re a moron, got it.


44 posted on 03/08/2013 3:58:44 PM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Pathetic!

You ought to give your paycheck back because you just made a fool of your self on this thread.


45 posted on 03/08/2013 4:09:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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