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Homeland Security Drones Designed to Identify Civilians Carrying Guns
Breitbart ^ | 3-5-13 | Wynton Hall

Posted on 03/06/2013 8:35:48 AM PST by 444Flyer

Recently uncovered government documents reveal that the U.S. Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) unmanned Predator B drone fleet has been customize designed to identify civilians carrying guns and track cell phone signals.

"I am very concerned that this technology will be used against law-abiding American firearms owners," said founder and executive vice president of the Second Amendment Foundation Alan Gottlieb. “This could violate Fourth Amendment rights as well as Second Amendment rights."

The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) obtained a partially redacted copy of Homeland Security’s drone requirements through a Freedom of Information Act request; CNET uncovered an unredacted copy.

Homeland Security design requirements specify that its Predator B drones “shall be capable of identifying a standing human being at night as likely armed or not” and must be equipped with “interception” systems capable of reading cell phone signals.

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1 posted on 03/06/2013 8:35:56 AM PST by 444Flyer
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To: 444Flyer

Funny, I recall several years ago, people warning of these military style drones being used against the American public and the so called well informed called them, “Conspiracy nuts”.

Where are they now?


2 posted on 03/06/2013 8:40:59 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 444Flyer

“The military version of the Predator B drone carries 100-pound Hellfire missiles, but the Homeland Security’s Customs and Border Protection (CBP) says the 10 drones in its domestic fleet are unarmed.”

Note that they don’t say that their drones CAN’T be armed, just that they’re not armed for now. How comforting to know that a DHS drone can go from unarmed to armed in the amount of time it takes to hang a missile on the rails.


3 posted on 03/06/2013 8:42:31 AM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: 444Flyer

Now that this has been published the perp in question will know to just slip his cell phone into the purse of some 82 year old woman and watch the fun ensue.


4 posted on 03/06/2013 8:43:23 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 444Flyer

Bullets, tanks, drones, for the Americans. Freedom for the illegals.

WTF??????


5 posted on 03/06/2013 8:45:17 AM PST by Venturer
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To: 444Flyer
Imagine the crowded airspace on a Saturday night in Chicago?

The only upside to this one is watching high technology fail miserably.

Part of our military superiority comes from not disclosing the stuff we have at our disposal. Using such hardware on Americans is undermining the tools of military superiority around the globe.

6 posted on 03/06/2013 8:49:20 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: Venturer

So if the government is after you and you fedex your cell phone to yourself, will the drone shoot down a Fedex plane?


7 posted on 03/06/2013 8:51:44 AM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: 444Flyer


8 posted on 03/06/2013 8:52:54 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Travis McGee

Relevant to your article.


9 posted on 03/06/2013 8:54:14 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The guys watching the monitors at some government installation 500 miles away will get a good laugh watching him trying to pull that one.

BTW, ya just know they're likely using face recognition software as well as other tracking/identification technology. In fact, they're probable are using bio/heat signature software, which I would assume has been developed or will be.

They have lots of your tax dollars to play with.

10 posted on 03/06/2013 8:54:26 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 444Flyer

***Homeland Security design requirements specify that its Predator B drones “shall be capable of identifying a standing human being at night as likely armed or not”...***

‘LIKELY’ armed or not. Nice.

Bad as this already is, they won’t even be sure the Americans they kill are even armed or not. Suppose a 3-yr old carries his/her toy nerf gun home from grandma’s house? Too bad, sucka...


11 posted on 03/06/2013 8:57:15 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (A return to Jesus and prayer in the schools is the only way.)
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To: 444Flyer

Looks like those little hand held laser pointers will come in handy after all.


12 posted on 03/06/2013 8:59:07 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Venturer

You got it...

Where are all those who pointed fingers and called others “Black helicopter tin foil hat wearing conspiracy wackos”.

Those folks seem as scarce as public pay phones nowadays.


13 posted on 03/06/2013 9:01:18 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: 444Flyer
“This could violate Fourth Amendment rights as well as Second Amendment rights."

CLUE: this administration operates as though there is no law that constrains what it does, therefore the US citizens have no rights. Don't believe me, just observe what the Congress has done each time obozo, Holder and the dyke have broken laws. The American citizens who follow this and the previous administration's laws that are contrary to our constitution are doing nothing short of placing the government's noose around their own necks.

14 posted on 03/06/2013 9:02:18 AM PST by drypowder
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To: dragnet2
At any moment the usual suspects will come on here and tell us that the 2 billion ammo purchases are not really purchases but instead contingency p.o.’s in case the DHS should ever need them over the course of the next 5 years, the so-called “tanks” are actually refitted left overs from Iraq and will mainly be going to the Marines for training purposes (DHS will be receiving less than 20 of these), and these drones are only for patrolling our northern and southern borders, they aren't currently fitted to carry missles therefore once again, the conspiracy minded loons on FR are finding just another excuse to declare the impending doom of our nation. Move along people...move along.
15 posted on 03/06/2013 9:03:23 AM PST by JGT
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To: 444Flyer

If this were a republican administration...


16 posted on 03/06/2013 9:03:32 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: 444Flyer
What we need is a technology that identifies agents of the feral government.
17 posted on 03/06/2013 9:07:30 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: MichaelCorleone
‘LIKELY’ armed or not. Nice. Bad as this already is, they won’t even be sure the Americans they kill are even armed or not.

I don't believe that even the Obama/Holder/Napolitano type of jackbooted thug would authorize a drone strike against an American citizen, simply for being "likely armed." But such a report by a recon drone would more likely be used as probable cause for more sophisticated surveillance ... or even a "stop and frisk" by two or more police officers, who are far more heavily armed than the "likely armed" individual.

18 posted on 03/06/2013 9:08:06 AM PST by Bryan
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To: VRW Conspirator

I could be mistaken, but I believe it was a Republican administration and their policies who made this possible. Bush comes to mind.


19 posted on 03/06/2013 9:08:34 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

You may as well blame the Wright Brothers.
They made it possible.


20 posted on 03/06/2013 9:12:43 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: 444Flyer

How will it know a civilian from a non-civilian?


21 posted on 03/06/2013 9:14:19 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: piasa

Bull cheet...That’s a Tokyo Rose comment..

It was George W. Bush who established the Office of Homeland Security....

Time to reboot yourself!


22 posted on 03/06/2013 9:15:53 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Always take the battery out of cellphone when not in use.


23 posted on 03/06/2013 9:16:21 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Bryan

“or even a “stop and frisk” by two or more police officers, who are far more heavily armed than the “likely armed” individual.”

With the attacks on our Rights becoming, if not more common, then more open, I would invite the usual suspects to this thread to discuss the use of drones to spy on citizens, and also the “stop and frisk” which several members here think is just a dandy crime fighting tool.


24 posted on 03/06/2013 9:21:06 AM PST by saleman
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To: stuartcr

The first victim of one of these drones will probably be carrying an umbrella.


25 posted on 03/06/2013 9:22:13 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: 444Flyer

And to think, fifty years ago Emanuel Cellar wanted a radar designed so police could drive around, zap people and see if they were carrying a gun.

Wonder if it can distinguish between a gun, pocket knife, belt buckle or pocket of change.

I would hate to get blasted because I had a roll of quarters for the toll roads.


26 posted on 03/06/2013 9:23:36 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: dragnet2
Where are they now?

They are saying that, sure, these drones exists but if you think its a bad thing you are a kooky conspiracy theorist. They then repeat the refrain of tyrants and the creed of slaves, "If you've done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide."

27 posted on 03/06/2013 9:28:33 AM PST by Count of Monte Fisto (Republicans are to the Democrats as the Generals are to the Harlem Globetrotters)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

“If you’ve done nothing wrong then you have nothing to hide.”

Yea, that pops up all the time on the occasional thread about DUI roadblocks. Maybe they’ll go back to just calling them “license checks” if somebody raises too much of a stink?


28 posted on 03/06/2013 9:31:15 AM PST by saleman
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To: dragnet2

“It was George W. Bush who established the Office of Homeland Security....”

Wow, I can hardly believe it took all of 21 posts to “blame Bush”. I guess he authorized the drones too?


29 posted on 03/06/2013 9:37:56 AM PST by saleman
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To: stuartcr

Take the battery out or keep them in one of those foil potato chip bags until you plan to use it.


30 posted on 03/06/2013 9:40:07 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: 444Flyer

Coming soon: the Drone Jammer app.


31 posted on 03/06/2013 9:47:43 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
“Take the battery out or keep them in one of those foil potato chip bags until you plan to use it.”

Hadn't thought of that - thanks for your suggestion. If tyranny sets in worse than it is, use a potato chip bag as home for cell phone. Note to self: Store some “used” potato chip smaller bags.

32 posted on 03/06/2013 9:49:20 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: Marcella

Whoever comes up with the technology and products to foil the police state’s technology, will get rich quick. The market will be HUGE.


33 posted on 03/06/2013 9:52:27 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Someone will probably develop a nice looking mobile case that effectively blocks gps and rf until use.


34 posted on 03/06/2013 9:55:45 AM PST by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: 444Flyer

bkmk


35 posted on 03/06/2013 9:59:57 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I’m thinking that up here in the Pacific North West, a person with an umbrella to avoid rain from the sky, a steel lunch box for what they carry around to (ah) eat(!), and a laser pointer for presentations ought to be pretty well situated.


36 posted on 03/06/2013 10:15:26 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: 444Flyer

And when the first drone shoots up an innocent person, who gets put in jail or sued?
NOBODY!
Just like the “accidental” break ins by police where they shoot up the first person they see with a TV remote.


37 posted on 03/06/2013 10:24:07 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: Buckeye McFrog; Marcella; stuartcr
Removing the battery is good. Placing the phone in any kind of Faraday Cage is bad, the phone will continue to search for cell-towers and will probably up the transmit power when it isn't hearing anything. This will drain the battery much faster than outside the cage and when you want to use the phone the battery will be dead. Your mileage probably won't vary.

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To: 444Flyer

I wonder if someone could take one down with a 30-06 with a 4x16x40?


39 posted on 03/06/2013 10:35:00 AM PST by Rappini (Veritas vos Liberabit)
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To: JimRed
Here is the starting point:

How to kill a drone

40 posted on 03/06/2013 10:39:34 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance........)
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To: aimhigh
It will be an orchestra member taking his RPG (oopsie!) bassoon to work.
41 posted on 03/06/2013 11:12:11 AM PST by Trod Upon (The Second Amendment acknowledges our inherent right to revolt if tyrannized. It ain't about hunting)
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To: 444Flyer

“It was a dark and rainy night...”


42 posted on 03/06/2013 2:12:33 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: saleman
Wow, I can hardly believe it took all of 21 posts to “blame Bush”.

Ya can't?

Lemme help ya out here.

Did ya happen to notice the title of this Mr. Saleman?

Homeland Security Drones Designed to Identify Civilians Carrying Guns

Was it not George W. Bush who established yet another new massive bloated intrusive government enforcement agency?

43 posted on 03/06/2013 3:30:17 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
I could be mistaken, but I believe it was a Republican administration and their policies who made this possible. Bush comes to mind.

Your point is noted. But I was referring to the lack of media engagement. Situation normal for the MSM.

44 posted on 03/06/2013 4:09:09 PM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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