Skip to comments.Sephardic Jews invited back to Spain after 500 years
Posted on 03/06/2013 9:48:32 AM PST by the scotsman
'More than 500 years ago, tens of thousands of Jews fled Spain because of persecution. Now their descendants are being invited to return.
Before the infamous Spanish Inquisition of the 15th Century, some 300,000 Jews lived in Spain. It was one of the largest communities of Jews in the world.
Today, there are about 40,000 or 50,000 - but that number could be about to swell dramatically.
In November, Spain's justice minister Alberto Ruiz-Gallardon announced a plan to give descendants of Spain's original Jewish community - known as Sephardic Jews - a fast-track to a Spanish passport and Spanish citizenship.
"In the long journey Spain has undertaken to rediscover a part of itself, few occasions are as moving as today," he said.
Anyone who could prove their Spanish Jewish origins, he said, would be given Spanish nationality.'
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I did not expect that.
Trying to add some balance to the influx of muslims...?
Trying to lure them out of Israel and into European camps again, are they?
No one the Sephardic Invitation!!
Jews were allies of the Muslims during the conquest of Spain. They along with Muslims were given an amnesty of a kind after the Spanish recounquered their land. Now the Muslims are back so it only makes sense to invite Jews too. Maybe this time it will be different.
No one expects the Sephardic Invitation!!
I guess spain is just like wimmen , no money they want you dead, got money they magically love, love, love ya
Well, this Sepharic Jewish guy respectfully tells them “no thanks.”
I am actually named after a great-great-great grandfather they burned at the stake.
Very few people speak Ladino these days.
The original Sephardim were largely absorbed into Mizrachi and Ashkenazi communities.
There’s a Sephardic Jewish community in India who fled to there when the Crusaders slaughtered most and drove the rest out, and again during the Inquisition when the settled community in India were persecuted by the Portuguese trying to establish a colony there.
Google Cochin Jewish Copper Plates for more info. It’s quite interesting.
I’ve never heard of a country trying to make amends in this way. More power to them for trying to do something to set things right.
“I am actually named after a great-great-great grandfather they burned at the stake”
That’s funny. MeanWestTexan doesn’t sound Jewish..
Hey, no prob. Our boat came to New York in 1664. We kind of like it here. And after all these years, we did decide you guys were right. Not only that, Isabella is a cool name.
Viva Cristo Rey,
P.S. On the Moslem thing, sorry about playing for the wrong team. That was dumb. Those guys turned out to be real dirt-bags.
I am still waiting on my reparations from the Italians for the Romans enslaving most of Europe for 100’s years.
Ya think SOMEONE in Spain was reading THIS:
King James Version (KJV)
12 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father’s house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Yup. They apparently have figured out that hating Jews and supporting Muslims is not a way to grow the economy...
Actually, there are many descendants of Sephardic Jews in Northern Mexico and South Texas.
What defines "a lot" is the question. A few thousand, maybe.
But their descendants began the Reform movement and were more or less absorbed into the general population, or into the larger Ashkenazi communities that arrived in the 1800s.
The original Sephardic synagogues in the US are now either museums or have Ashkenazi congregations.
Spain has been in a serious decline for a long time-I’m pretty sure they just want individuals with a real work ethic to immigrate to Spain to work and pay taxes to support their socialist welfare state. I hope no one buys into it.
My ancestors weren’t Jewish, but they had sense enough to leave Spain for the Spanish territory in the New World in the 1600’s...
" 'Cause the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay!"
> “Ive never heard of a country trying to make amends in this way. More power to them for trying to do something to set things right.”<
I disagree. I find absurd the whole concept of trying to remedy wrongs that took place in the distant past. It’s too late to help those who really suffered, and the descendents of neither the perpetrators nor the wronged are closely related to their ancestors.
At four generations a century — with the genetic connection being halved at each generation — even a descendant from someone in 1800 is only 1/256 connected. For 1500, a few years after the 1492 expulsion, the connection would be 1/1048576 (if I’ve calculated correctly). Less than one millionth. Of course, I’d expect a Sephardic descendent to have many Sephardic ancestors, but still there would be dilution across the centuries.
In any case the moral debt or entitlement is simply not there. The advantage of automatic Spanish citizenship may be a minor one (and I doubt that many persons of Sephardic origin would want to take advantage of it). Still, I think giving it is unfair to others.
If countries or regions must return to their ethnic makeup of 1492, then Americans of European ancestry, start packing your bags! I’m supposedly about 1/16 Indian and the rest European (culturally entirely European). Where do I go — 15/16 of the way back across the Atlantic?
Even injustices of mere decades ago are difficult to redress. To use ethnic origin to try to do that with events that happened centuries ago serves only to create new injustices. It’s a form of racism. It judges people by their ethnic background rather than as individuals.
Sure some Jews were burned at the stake but it was done in the spirit of Christian love and the fires weren’t really all that hot.
Those with serious money settled in Naples. My maternal line was of Spanish Jewish lineage, and they found a home in Naples. where they did well enough to come to America in 1909.
Funny, I even look Jewish.
“Jews were allies of the Muslims during the conquest of Spain. They along with Muslims were given an amnesty of a kind after the Spanish recounquered their land.”
Wow, talk about a half-truth.
There were just as many Jews on the side of Spain as against the muslims, especially in the Spanish Navy where they proved to be excellent seamen.
The reason for the Expulsion and Inquision (according the official Roman Catholic Church apology) was greed. The Jews had done well in Spain and had lent money to the royals and the Church who jointly concocted bullshit excuses to force conversions and/or kick them out of the country.
I am 100% proud Roman Catholic, and I am sick and tired of schismatics like you who sully the work we have done to recocile with the very un-Christlike things we stupid humans did in the name of His Church.
There are a bunch of old Sephardic families in West Texas, Mexico, and New Mexico.
The old Mexican presidente — Vincente Fox, among them.
The Jewish ‘Golden Age’ in Spain was ended not by Christians, but by fanatical Muslims in the 12th century. That was the first wave of Sefardic Jews that spread far and wide, though it was soon followed by the Crusades.
Ivo Andric was a Nobel-Prize-winning writer from Bosnia. In one of his novels, Bosnian Chronicle, set in Travnik in the Napoleonic era, he has a Sephardic Jewish man thinking about what a wonderful life his ancestors had had in Spain until they were forced to leave.
I guess I had put it in the same category as the Catholic Church apologizing about Galileo 400 years after the fact. It doesn’t change much, but it’s important to apologize, for the character development of the apologizer, as much as anything.
Of course,I didn’t think about the resulting law suits and such.
Traditional Sephardic fare was closer to Turkish food, which is heavier - there is such a thing as Turkish pastrami (pastirma) and also savory kugels (budinca) and cholents (chamin).
"The reason for the Expulsion and Inquision (according the official Roman Catholic Church apology) was greed."
Do you have a link for this?
Thanks for the info! You make me want to go out to Katz’s for a pastrami sandwich, a knish,and a celery soda!
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
This article doesn't mention it, but North African Muslims are going bat sh*t, claiming this is a racist act and that the millions of "Sephardic Muslims" must be offered citizenship as well. They'll find tens of millions if they're successful getting citizenship. Then they'll work on France and Italy, parts of which also belong to the Ummah.
It’s a trap. Even without Jews, Spain is one of the most antisemitic countries in Europe. And Muslims will be invited next to kill the Jews.
North African Muslims are nuts, and will use this as a pretext for yet further invasion. So is Spain. So is any Sephardic Jew who takes up this idiotic offer. They have some cultural residue from Spain, but that’s all. Why go back? To be beaten to death by Muslims? We have our own country now, and the Muslims here would be only too happy to oblige anyone who wants to be beaten to death, but for the IDF and armed mitnahalim.
“descendants of Sephardic Jews in Northern Mexico and South Texas.”
There was a buzz about Carlos Santana being Jewish origin
Thanks. I figured as much. Spain is stupid to make such an offer that few Jews will be interested in but milions of Muzzies will agitate to get the same offer. It could be the Spanish leftists are using this as a sly way to bring in more Muslims who claim Spanish heritage and who will vote left....until they get strong enough to set up their own Muslim political parties. History has shown this
The problem was the Muslim conquest of Spain. Your post is mostly excuse making for the fact that some Jews collaborated. Whether the excuse looks good to you or whether Catholics collaborated or not is immaterial. One group won a war to regain their native territory. They identified other groups as their former enemies. This is a cultural definition, one they had a right to make. This kind of tribalism is a common trait in Europe and among many Americans. My point is that it shapes history and causes events in one century to have profound effects in others.
Spain may want and need Jews.
But Jews do not want or need Spain.
” some Muslim scholars are denouncing the offer as unfair. They point out that their ancestors were expelled from Spain during the Inquisition. But no-one is inviting them back.”
He’s joking, right?
Do I know you in real life?
NO ONE EXPECTS ............ THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!!!!