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America's gun culture needs to change [by banning private firearms]
USAToday | 3/6/13 | Dallek

Posted on 03/06/2013 9:54:24 AM PST by pabianice

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
Short Version: Only through convincing people that the police and a benevolent government will protect them can we successfully ban the private ownership of firearms.
1 posted on 03/06/2013 9:54:30 AM PST by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Somebody needs to remind the idiots that the police not only can’t protect you, they are not required to protect you.


3 posted on 03/06/2013 9:57:55 AM PST by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: pabianice

There’s a lot of us that know better. There’s a bunch that believe the other way. Lambs to slaughter. But it is a gannett publication so what else would you expect?


4 posted on 03/06/2013 10:02:08 AM PST by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST MR. PRESIDENT!(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: pabianice

Yeh that’ll happen. Not!


5 posted on 03/06/2013 10:04:27 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Little Ray
Even if the police were around me 24/7, I am still not giving up my GOD given right of self defense because some nanny-state liberal says so.

Taking my guns makes NO one safer except those with evil intent. And that's not just common criminals, but tyrants of all kinds, foreign and domestic.

Molan Labe!

6 posted on 03/06/2013 10:05:14 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: pabianice

Robert Dallek (the author, who seems more sympathetic to the Dr. Who Daleks than to America’s Founding Fathers) wants to frame gun ownership as an irrational response to fear. Any sane person reading his diatribe advocating for a new Joseph Goebbels to shape public opinions and convince us that government is our best friend and worthy of a monopoly on power would be even more fearful than before. I’m going online to buy another gun in response to my fear of people like him.


7 posted on 03/06/2013 10:07:58 AM PST by Pollster1
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To: pabianice
I would worry about that but mine were all disappeared by a tornado.

If we had any surface water around these parts, I would have run the risk of a tragic boating incident. But alas, we don't.

8 posted on 03/06/2013 10:08:08 AM PST by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: pabianice

Gun culture needs to change?...

Come and change me you big commie a-hole!...It’s the last thing your socialist butt will be trying to do on earth!


9 posted on 03/06/2013 10:10:53 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: pabianice

Nazis and their enablers. May they meet the same fate as their German forefathers.


10 posted on 03/06/2013 10:11:59 AM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: pabianice

HIV/Aids is the leading cause of death for gay men. Perhaps we should also be discussing a cultural change in that “community” - hmmm?

chirping crickets...

Bottom line: like most issues about which liberals “care” (e.g. womens “rights”, moochelle keeping children waiting for HOURS), it becomes obvious that it is not the person about which liberals care, rather, it is CONTROL of the system (and in the end - choices) about which liberals are obsessed.

One observation about choices: because gays, Muslims, and (pot only) smokers regularly make choices that are harmful either to the individual or the community, these are always given a pass if the action is by definition, anti-Christian.


11 posted on 03/06/2013 10:13:08 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: pabianice

Another commie suffering from a serious lead imbalance.


12 posted on 03/06/2013 10:14:01 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: pabianice

Exactly! Because the 20th century has proven that big governments who disarmed their citizens were only just looking out for the best interests of their constituents. Stalin, Mao, and Hitler were really just misunderstood visionaries, really. So all of you stubborn Americans attached to your quaint Constitutional ideals, you just need to take your place amongst the bones of all of the other hundreds of millions of non-believers who did not follow the correct path to true enlightenment brought forth by the your glorius leaders!

(seriously?>sarc).


13 posted on 03/06/2013 10:20:59 AM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: pabianice
The challenge for this generation of Americans is to address not only our own fears by curbing access to guns, but also to reassure the country's most devoted gun advocates that their government is not after them.

Yes, and the most effective way for our government to take on that oh-so-benign image is to:

1. Announce that returning veterans, pro-lifers, Tea Partiers, those who don't support Obama, and strong border advocates are viewed as "potentially extremist,"

2. Put semi-automatic weapons into the hands of Mexican drug cartels,

3. Go on an ammunition buying binge of 1.6 billion rounds,

4. Purchase 3,000 mine-resistant, armored MRAPs for use on AMERICAN streets,

5. Activate 30,000 drones for flight America's skies,

6. Make the announcement some of those drones can be weaponized for strikes against Americans deemed as possible "extremists" (see #1) WITHOUT DUE PROCESS and ON AMERICAN TERRITORY,

7. Broaden criminalization of erstwhile normal activity in order to thin the ranks of "legal" gun owners, and

8. Push to outlaw every possible privately owned weapon.

Yeah... that'll change this government's image to "harmless little fuzzball" status in no time.

14 posted on 03/06/2013 10:21:29 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: pabianice

And when the SHTF, this idiot Robert Dallek’s home will be looted by feral youths and they will most likely beat him to a bloody pulp, or worse.

That is when this fool might, just might, realize he was wrong about self defense, but it will be too late for him.


15 posted on 03/06/2013 10:24:17 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: ScottinVA

Great post!

I nominate you for Post of the Day.


16 posted on 03/06/2013 10:26:23 AM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 6, 2012.....A day that will live in infamy!)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

(Taking a bow)

Thank you!


17 posted on 03/06/2013 10:27:41 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
That is when this fool might, just might, realize he was wrong about self defense, but it will be too late for him.

He probably has a loaded Glock stashed away.. just in case.. because, after all, America has such a violent gun culture. Remember Carl Rowan?

18 posted on 03/06/2013 10:31:08 AM PST by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: pabianice

Only a person bordering on full-blown psychotic delusion could write the nonsense Dallek is spewing.

In other words: exactly the type of person I keep a firearm for.

Everything he says defeats everything he’s trying to say.


19 posted on 03/06/2013 10:36:33 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Thought Puzzle: Describe Islam without using the phrase "mental disorder" more than four times.)
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To: pabianice

For years I read US News at lunch.

A year or more ago I changed to the Wall Street Journal, which has far better news coverage.

Yesterday the management put a US News on my table and I read it.

I just can not believe how much more liberal it has become.

Most of yesterday’s was global warming and gun control.

In spite of the fact that the co-founder of Weather Channel came out the day before with numbers that destroys the idea that we are in a period of global warming.

US News is nothing but a propaganda rag.


20 posted on 03/06/2013 10:39:55 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: pabianice
Having owned firearms for 55 years this fear mongering banning talk is ridiculous.

After playing with cap guns, at Christmas of my 10th year I received a .22 caliber Winchester rifle. At 10 I knew the difference between toy guns and real ones even though there was no orange plug on the barrels of the realistic cap guns.

Most of us kids would take our firearms down to the dump and shoot trash, competing against ourselves for accuracy.

None of us or any of the other gun people I've known through the years has ever intended to kill nor have they shot a single human. And very few of us have ever gone hunting or killed an animal.

Two of the reasons we have guns, excluding the 2nd Amendment, is for plinking or target shooting down at the gun club, and collecting weapons for historic or investment purposes.

The firearms owners I know report that we recreational shooters are far more accurate than police, saying that police don't practice much. Some don't even practice for their re-qualifying tests.

The vast majority of us are recreational shooters. The few with good eyesight and big bucks compete in target acquisition.

Banning guns or more laws are only for populace control and manipulation.

21 posted on 03/06/2013 10:40:53 AM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: ScottinVA; july4thfreedomfoundation

I second the nomination.


22 posted on 03/06/2013 10:44:26 AM PST by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
"And when the SHTF, this idiot Robert Dallek’s home will be looted by feral youths and they will most likely beat him to a bloody pulp, or worse. That is when this fool might, just might, realize he was wrong about self defense, but it will be too late for him."

Probably has a biden double barrel shotgun by the door.

Guns for me but not for thee.

23 posted on 03/06/2013 10:53:06 AM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: ScottinVA

Rather than “musket to musket”, as our forefathers had at their disposal as they courageously dared throwing off the shackles of tyranny, what would the outcome have been had these brave men been limited to a “soda straw and peas for ammo”?

This comparison, musket to musket versus soda straws is where we find ourselves today.
With the many restrictions, WE as a people, have allowed our government to shackle us with over the years regarding our rights, i.e. limits to what we may own or possess in armaments, any balance has been eroded to such a degree, our masters may now do as they wish without fear of the people they rule.

The real and actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment has been degraded to the point that, today it is virtually worthless as a concept. How dare we, as citizens, demand the right to be allowed the same tools of defense that our masters may have.

Incrementally and through a persistent chipping away at our rights, any thoughts today of confronting the ruler’s muskets armed only with our straws, is nothing more than wishful dreaming. Game, set, match; they have us where they want us. Be afraid, very afraid.


24 posted on 03/06/2013 10:53:49 AM PST by benasawin
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To: Little Ray

The Police are not even required to TRY to protect you.


25 posted on 03/06/2013 10:57:17 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: pabianice

Executive Summary: Gun owners are afraid of everything—crime and the government. The problem is, therefore, messaging. The government gets a bad rap as being and expensive, inefficient failure that cannot protect its citizens. So . . . the government must launch a new PR campaign to assure gun owners it will not become a tyranny and it will prevent crime.

LOL.


26 posted on 03/06/2013 11:09:52 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: TexasRepublic

I think you meant “deficit”.

An “imbalance” could also mean having too much.


27 posted on 03/06/2013 11:17:28 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

The Gun Culture is changing. Liberals have succeeded in getting more people to buy guns for the express purpose of defending themselves against the government, looters, and takers.


28 posted on 03/06/2013 11:23:03 AM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway; pabianice
I propose this change:


29 posted on 03/06/2013 11:28:53 AM PST by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Pollster1
wants to frame gun ownership as an irrational response to fear.

What would 'Davros' here say is a rational response to fear?

I say, courage.
Which is defined not as the absence of fear but proceeding towards danger in spite of fear. So...being all courageous and all rational-like, would a person possessing these qualities make one more small rational decision and take a firearm with them? I think so.

I think that pretty well deflates this asshat's argument.

30 posted on 03/06/2013 11:38:52 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: pabianice

Same folks who think our free speech culture, religious freedom culture, and property rights culture must also change.

In response, we can only state, “No. You, will have to kill us first. And if you send proxies to do it for you, we will come for you.”


31 posted on 03/06/2013 11:44:27 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ScottinVA
Remember Carl Rowan?

Gun was not registered to him, but an FBI agent. I am sure the FBI agent lost his job over that incident.

Wonder why no ambulance chaser ever filed suit against Karl for his unlawful possession of a firearm that resulted in damages to their client?

Just askin :)

32 posted on 03/06/2013 11:59:27 AM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: pabianice
It is the nature of all governments, at all levels, to grow and accumulate power.

Government must be constantly controlled and limited, like noxious weeds and venomous reptiles.

33 posted on 03/06/2013 12:00:36 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: benasawin
Be afraid, very afraid.

I refuse to comply.

34 posted on 03/06/2013 12:01:21 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: pabianice

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/03/montana-lawmaker-obamacare-allows-feds-to-collect-gun-ownership-information/

More great things in obamakare. And this law is so bad that the e-pubs talk about it every day!
/sarc.


35 posted on 03/06/2013 12:07:23 PM PST by luv2ndamend (Same party, different letter)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Really hate that my perception of reality is as depressing as it sounds. As far as your refusing to comply, a tip of the hate to you my friend.
By the way, that order I had placed for that drone, the tank, the grenades, automatic weapons and missles for defense of my home and fellow countrymen hasn’t shown up yet. Surely they (masters) would not deny me. They can’t do that. They just can’t. Can they? s/


36 posted on 03/06/2013 12:19:19 PM PST by benasawin
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

a tip of the hat my friend

not hate, my appologies


37 posted on 03/06/2013 12:26:13 PM PST by benasawin
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To: benasawin
Hehe...yeah. Amazon mucked up my order as well.

The more I see and read the more p!$$3d off I get. And as I get more PO'ed, any semblance of fear washes away.

Recall Yamato's words after Pearl;
"I fear all we have done is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve."

Well, We The People is the giant and this current regime keeps poking the giant with a stick.

I am resolved to not comply with unconstitutional orders and will make some poor sonofabitch who tries to disarm me see the folly of his choice to fire on US citizens. Sure the DHS probably just put me in a red watch file but screw 'em. I'm getting a might steamed and will only put up with so much. I may be an old fool but when push comes to shove, someone will be made to know the fu¢*3* the wrong dog.

If the Admin Mods think that is a violent post then they can wipe it and me off the board. I don't care.

38 posted on 03/06/2013 12:30:59 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: benasawin

That’d be Yamamato. Not Yamato. That’s a ship. Duh.


39 posted on 03/06/2013 12:34:48 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: ScottinVA

Whatever you do, don’t hold yourself out as a `sovereign citizen’:
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/01/are-you-sovereign-citizen.html

“The federal government was quick to seize on this opportunity and bootstrap the term to any group that the federal government feels would oppose any of its policies. In short, if you do not like some aspect of government, you are now one the new domestic terrorists and should be subject to governmental control outside the bounds of constitutional protections.”

Recall that the `Dept. of Homeland Security’ has targeted “violent sovereign citizens.” That’s unfortunate in that most of us here are not violent, but fall within that definition in part.


40 posted on 03/06/2013 12:58:18 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Hehe, back at ya.

Appreciate your poise and position. I too am rather long in the tooth and am well beyond caring much for MY safety in particular. My fear is for our nation.

Yes, I have a healthy respect for fear but what is most important is that I do what is right despite that fear.

It seems at times that the one screaming the loudest in my ear is the little lady. Now, don’t cause a scene. Just ignore it. Calm down and don’t be so radical.

And like many men of today, I frequently tuck, duck and opt not “die” on that hill and sue for peace. Just as with much of what the government demands of us, our mates can be demanding as well. And she could not care less about my constitutional rights. She insists I’m there to keep her happy, happy, happy.

Now shut up and eat or I’ll give it to the dog, she says. Oh, woe is me, as I try to lighten things up a little.


41 posted on 03/06/2013 1:00:46 PM PST by benasawin
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To: benasawin
And she could not care less about my constitutional rights. She insists I’m there to keep her happy, happy, happy.

Mine is much the same. She 'tsk tsks' and suggests I dial it back a notch and get back to cooking dinner when that dark cloud crosses my face.

42 posted on 03/06/2013 1:09:15 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Actually laughed out louuuuud
I guess I resemble that remark


43 posted on 03/06/2013 1:11:45 PM PST by benasawin
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To: pabianice
18 United States Code, US Criminal Code §ection 241 -
Conspiracy against rights

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

44 posted on 03/06/2013 1:17:47 PM PST by archy
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To: USNBandit
The Gun Culture is changing. Liberals have succeeded in getting more people to buy guns for the express purpose of defending themselves against the government, looters, and takers.

Amen to that! You are exactly right.

The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)

If the lefties keep pushing gun control in another two decades one out of two Americans may be gun owners instead of one out of three.

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MORE. ;-)

45 posted on 03/06/2013 1:28:38 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: pabianice

Is there still a single American today who does not believe the socialist are coming for America’s firearms and is their single most important goal of confiscation through a federal registry data base and restriction.


46 posted on 03/06/2013 1:37:17 PM PST by PotatoChop (Respect is earned, not demanded by this out of control socialist government!)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

+1

The New Hampshire state motto: Live Free or Die


47 posted on 03/07/2013 10:50:26 AM PST by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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