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Dems block vote to denounce drone-killing of US citizens on US soil
Washington Examiner ^ | 3/6/13 | Timothy P. Carney

Posted on 03/06/2013 9:14:04 PM PST by Nachum

Sen. Rand Paul just offered to end his filibuster and allow a vote on CIA nominee John Brennan if he could get a vote tomorrow on a non-binding resolution regarding drone killing of US citizens on US soil. But Assistant Majority Leader Dick Durbin objected to allowing a vote on the resolution. So Paul resumed speaking.

Paul's resolution said it was the sense of the Senate that "the use of drones to execute or target American citizens on American soil who pose no imminent threat clearly violates Constitutional rights" of due process.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; block; dems; dronekilling; drones; holder; obama; randpaul; vote
Twitter is on fire right now.
1 posted on 03/06/2013 9:14:06 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 03/06/2013 9:17:22 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Holder is sitting in a cafe as we speak....


3 posted on 03/06/2013 9:18:15 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, Ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


4 posted on 03/06/2013 9:18:19 PM PST by Nachum (The Obama "List" at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
Twitter is on fire right now.

This one is backfiring on the dems. Even dems on Twitter (like the ACLU) are standing with Rand on this.

5 posted on 03/06/2013 9:20:21 PM PST by mnehring
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To: Nachum

Apparently the demonrats want to be able to assasinate any american they want, anytime they want, for any reason they want.

And I was supposed to fear Bush?

These cowards needed to be forever exiled from this country.

Every damn last one of them.


6 posted on 03/06/2013 9:25:09 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: mnehring

Bump


7 posted on 03/06/2013 9:27:06 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: Nachum

Lemme see if I got this right—It’s a crime for an American to threaten the president’s life, right?
But the president says he should be able to kill anyone of us? This isn’t America. It’s 16th century England ...


8 posted on 03/06/2013 9:32:05 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice
But the president says he should be able to kill anyone of us?

I think it's more like *contracting a hit on any one of us* at his whim.

9 posted on 03/06/2013 9:39:33 PM PST by The Cajun (Sarah Palin, Mark Levin......Nuff said.)
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To: Nachum

The liberals want the US Mili8tary to be able to operate on US soil with due process.

Drones is just one tool used by the military.

They would have no issues using Seal snipers to kill us.

They must be arrested immediately.

The Secret service needs to be arrested by several Sheriffs for allowing this.


10 posted on 03/06/2013 9:40:37 PM PST by NoLibZone (We have the nation we deserve. I predict FR will hate GOP Candidate for 2016 , because of his shoes.)
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To: tumblindice

There’s always the hope that work will set us free. It said so when we came in.


11 posted on 03/06/2013 9:45:46 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: Nachum

Well, that says it all. Dems in congress fully support the killing, without due process, of US citizens on US soil with military drone strikes. There is no privacy on the internet. The govt. can track everything we say. If some faceless bureaucrat reads something and decides you sound like a terrorist threat, and tells the preezy,,,the preezy can snap his fingers and have you killed. Peoples should be scared crapless if they see a drone in the sky.


12 posted on 03/06/2013 9:47:08 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: SpaceBar

And presumably their justification for this is a desire to keep us safe. It reminds me of the same bogus reasons they advance for gun-grabbing.
Reminding me further of two things: in the movie ‘The Godfather’ ‘Michael Corleone’ being advised of a location for a meeting with Barzini where he “would be safe,” and Ben Franklin on security and liberty.


13 posted on 03/06/2013 9:56:01 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: mnehring

I can top that even those whackos Code Pink are standing with Rand Paul


14 posted on 03/06/2013 10:00:04 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Nachum

Whats the problem, america said this is alright when they elected Zero to another term..

They said it was OK to doing a boatload of other things as well..
That is (( IF )) was elected.. voter fraud was massive..
AND republicans have said squat.. about it..

Basically it was a bipartisan vote.. i.e. IF he was indeed elected at all..
O’Reilly seems to have no problem with the voter fraud..
OR Rush... Mark Levin is another story.. in Ameritopia..


15 posted on 03/06/2013 10:00:58 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: tumblindice

Don’t worry, the decision on who gets droned will be carefully made by some troika a 1000 miles away in DC. Nothing to worry about. /sarc


16 posted on 03/06/2013 10:08:11 PM PST by virgil
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To: Nachum

Yes. It takes one person. We have the conservative power. We have many fine conservatives out there that should be in office. Fight for them. Thank you Senator Rand Paul and Senator Ted Cruz. Thank you Dr. Ben Carson and Herman Cane, Sarah Palin and all the others who have shown the courage to fight these monsters and to lead. Obama and his administration are mere mortals. They are not Kings and Gods. The monsters behind these monsters are the same. There is nothing magical about them. They are losers.

Get behind the real winners. We are all winners when we seek what is right and do what is right.


17 posted on 03/06/2013 10:12:18 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum

Paul’s resolution said it was the sense of the Senate that “the use of drones to execute or target American citizens on American soil who pose no imminent threat clearly violates Constitutional rights” of due process.
***Sounds reasonable to me.


18 posted on 03/06/2013 10:13:00 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Nachum

Paul’s resolution said it was the sense of the Senate that “the use of drones to execute or target American citizens on American soil who pose no imminent threat clearly violates Constitutional rights” of due process.
***Sounds reasonable to me.


19 posted on 03/06/2013 10:13:03 PM PST by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: mnehring

Senator Wyden (D) stood with Rand Paul today. He took the podium earlier. I did call his office and thanked them for support. What an extraordinary day. Thank you C-Span!


20 posted on 03/06/2013 10:54:10 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: chris37

I’m curious as to why anyone believes that a resolution or a law or the Constitution will stop these people from doing what they want. They have demonstrated repeatedly that they believe themselves above the law.


21 posted on 03/07/2013 3:53:12 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Nachum

Call your Democratic senator and say “ OH good. Because there WILL be a Republican president in the future, and then what?” Will it be OK then? Then say you can’t wait till the tides are turned on them.


22 posted on 03/07/2013 3:59:18 AM PST by lucky american (The Democrats will follow the big "D"even if it means going over a cliff.)
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To: freekitty

“Obama and his administration are mere mortals.”

I’m not so sure about that.


23 posted on 03/07/2013 4:05:57 AM PST by Josephat
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To: Nachum
Sorry, I’m not impressed with Cruz’s questioning of Holder or of Rand Pauls filibustering. The question isn’t can the US government kill a citizen just minding their own business because it’s patently obvious you can’t. Holder said as much and stayed well within the Constitution.

The question is why should any government drone be flying over America? Crime is falling. Has anyone heard of the 4th Amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[

Secure in my person against unresonable searches is sufficient to ground the governments drone fleet and get rid of its street corner cameras. We don’t need a state security apparatus constantly filming us. The US isn’t a war zone. The onus is on government and drone use should be restricted and limited.

Look at warrant abuse in the failed War on Drugs. What Paul and Cruz are doing is saying, “drones in our skies is OK, just don’t kill a non-imminent threat.” That’s already the law and standard in any police action.

Just say “no” to drones in US skyies.

24 posted on 03/07/2013 4:15:38 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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Hypocritical scumbags.


25 posted on 03/07/2013 4:16:52 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Now that is good!


26 posted on 03/07/2013 4:20:49 AM PST by kevslisababy
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To: Nachum

“Sen. Rand Paul just offered to end his filibuster and allow a vote on CIA nominee John Brennan if he could get a vote tomorrow on a non-binding resolution regarding drone killing of US citizens on US soil.”

I wasn’t into this drone’s killing Americans stuff as I lumped it in with people spending their time attempting to prove Obama isn’t a natural-born citizen...but the Democrat reaction is FRIGHTENING. I’m also fine with drones targeting and killing Americans that decide to play jihad in the Middle East, by going to their training camps. But I draw the line on American soil, for sure.

Paul’s offer to end the filibuster for a worthless “sense of the Senate” resolution has TOTALLY OUTED the Democrats. These were the same people that tried to jail two Republican Presidents for wanting to simply aid the fight against Communist governments in the Western Hemisphere (not even fight, just send a few dollars). The Boland Amendment, which was used to string up President’s Bush and Reagan (i.e., Iran Contra), wasn’t a “Sense of the Senate”, it was federal law, imposed by Democrats, to protect a Communist Dictator...to the point of throwing American presidents in jail if they didn’t abide.

In this case, the president and the Justice Department would still be welcome to shoot drones at Americans in Texas, since the resolution was non-binding, but EVEN THAT was too much for the Democrats to stomach.

We NAILED them here. I’m no fan of Paul, but THANK YOU!!!


27 posted on 03/07/2013 4:28:16 AM PST by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Nachum

I just about hurled when I flipped the TV back to Cspan2 late last night and, lo and behold, there’s Turbin Durbin.


28 posted on 03/07/2013 4:31:53 AM PST by Marathoner (What are we waiting for? Where are the Articles of Impeachment!)
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To: Nachum

So obviously the dem party is in favor of the country killing its citizens when the president is a dem. But when the president is a normal person, they condemn it.


29 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:36 AM PST by I want the USA back
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To: I want the USA back

Don’t forget your history.

Bubba killed Americans without drones. He set fires and burned them alive at Waco. Drones are merely an iteration in the killing without cause


30 posted on 03/07/2013 5:12:02 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: chris37

“Apparently the demonrats want to be able to assasinate any american they want, anytime they want, for any reason they want.”

And what is to say that the Dems won’t use, oh I don’t know, say 2700 light infantry vehicles and a billion or so rounds of ammunition to kill a couple of hundred thousand tea party protesters who descend on Washington?

All Barack has to say is they are an imminent threat to the security of the US.


31 posted on 03/07/2013 5:15:16 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Got a problem? Nothing a drone strike can't fix.)
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To: Nachum

I’m painting a giant middle finger on my roof.


32 posted on 03/07/2013 5:17:07 AM PST by jughandle
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To: Kevmo
I think this post on Twitter sums up the 'rat reluctance here:

laura w ‏@laurww

@AceofSpadesHQ + this administration hates parsing what is constitutional, and what is not, B/C that discussion empowers the Constitution.


33 posted on 03/07/2013 5:18:41 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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To: Josephat
I’m curious as to why anyone believes that a resolution or a law or the Constitution will stop these people from doing what they want. They have demonstrated repeatedly that they believe themselves above the law.

You take what you can get and keep moving the ball back to the opponent's own goal. What we've had since Reagan has been nothing but fumbles, intentional groundings, interceptions, safeties, and Wrongway McCain just taking the ball and running it for for the opposing team.

Cruz and Paul have come along and figured out that to stop socialism you have to actually stand up and fight it.

Ted/Rand 2016

34 posted on 03/07/2013 5:27:07 AM PST by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: Josephat

LOL


35 posted on 03/07/2013 7:23:40 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: tumblindice
Our founders knew of people like these and set protections in the Constitution.
And the Left claims the Constitution is out dated.

Just how will the left react when the leadership is not theirs to wield. The Dems are foaming
at the mouth with power and do not conceive they will lose it.

36 posted on 03/07/2013 7:29:16 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: Nachum

I stand with Rand.


37 posted on 03/07/2013 7:58:52 AM PST by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Josephat

I don’t believe it will.

They will simply seize that power.

However it is the only civil route we have at this time to ensure that our paranoid and insane government doesn’t begin to assasinate people it defines as a threat.

We have to start somewhere.

And as far as Lesley graham saying that it’s ridiculous to think that they would want to do this...no, Leslie, it is ridiculous not to think it.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 9:11:43 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Nothing.

They are trying to render us defenseless for a reason, and it’s not for our safety.


39 posted on 03/07/2013 9:12:40 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: The Cajun
I think it's more like *contracting a hit on any one of us* at his whim.

Exactly right

I'm actually OK if Obama wants to come out and state that he wants to kill me. IF he's willing to do it himself, face to face. C'mon Barry, make my day

40 posted on 03/07/2013 9:16:03 AM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: SpaceBar; potlatch; PhilDragoo

“work will set us free...”

As in Arbeit Macht Frei. My Dad passed under those words at Dachau, where he was posted to guard the German guards, after the camp was liberated.


41 posted on 03/07/2013 3:56:56 PM PST by ntnychik
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42 posted on 03/07/2013 7:38:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: ntnychik; potlatch; SpaceBar; Fred Nerks
Was finally able after trying Tuesday and yesterday to penetrate busy signals to our senator.

Supporting Rand Paul's filibuster against a president's right to kill anyone on earth at any time for any reason.

For behold the president who criticized our Constitution two decades ago, one decade ago, during his campaign, during his tenure-campaign.

Here the espouser of Marx' Das Capital vis-a-vis "redistribute" vs. Adam Smith, Wealth of Nations

This lying promoter of jihad, flexible with the Stalinophile

will not hesitate to use all measures to silence all opposition.

The ARGUS-IS camera system and the NSA data center in Utah in company with carte blanche use of drone-kill

The excuse advanced by Holder, armorer to the cartels, is antiterrorism

Yet witness the new DCI apologizing for jihad, himself a Sunni convert

Like MX, and child is father to the man

We live, as long as government allows, in interesting times.


43 posted on 03/08/2013 12:53:20 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Fakistan)
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To: Josephat

But the left, especially the sheeperals, wanted to maintain the facade of legality and morality in their vaunted leadership.

They get really upset when the veil is ripped off.


44 posted on 03/08/2013 12:56:46 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: kevkrom

The ‘rats worldview is such that they inherently believe in the superiority of the elite of today being unconstrained by the dictates of the past.


45 posted on 03/08/2013 1:00:04 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ntnychik

It must have been a very stirring moment for him, one that he would remember every detail of for the rest of his life.


46 posted on 03/08/2013 5:41:50 PM PST by potlatch
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To: PhilDragoo

[We live, as long as government allows, in interesting times.]

Alarming, scary, and more so with each new headline every day.


47 posted on 03/08/2013 5:52:43 PM PST by potlatch
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To: potlatch

Ron Paul earned respect for his filibuster. Even liberal pundits are applauding him for taking a stand for what he believes in. Well, McCain is in a tizzy, but other than that...


48 posted on 03/08/2013 6:49:20 PM PST by ntnychik
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