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Kansas casts eye on teachers unions
The Kansas City Star ^ | Mar. 06, 2013 | BRAD COOPER

Posted on 03/07/2013 10:19:49 AM PST by george76

New Jersey’s governor has branded them “political thugs.”

A former federal education official has likened them to terrorists.

Less vilified in Kansas than some other parts of the country, those teachers unions still find their clout under attack in the Legislature.

The battle over teachers unions has marched its way across the country. Ohio. Michigan. Wisconsin. Idaho. And now it’s in Kansas, greeted by Republican Gov. Sam Brownback and his conservative allies in the Legislature.

Lawmakers are moving to undercut the tenuous power of teachers unions by barring them from using voluntary paycheck deductions for politics.

And they’re going after teachers’ ability to bargain collectively on key issues — hoping to give cash-strapped school districts new flexibility and leverage in contract talks.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Alabama; US: Idaho; US: Kansas; US: Michigan; US: Nebraska; US: New Jersey; US: Ohio; US: Oklahoma; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: alabama; education; idaho; kansas; michigan; nebraska; newjersey; ohio; oklahoma; schoolchoice; schools; teachers; teachersunion; teachersunions; teacherunion; teacherunions; union; unions; wisconsin

1 posted on 03/07/2013 10:19:52 AM PST by george76
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To: george76

Defund the “public school”.

The “public school” is BY FAR, the largest, most expensive, most subversive, and most destructive entitlement program in the country.

The “public school” is better understood as the “government school collective”.

It is silly to imagine that you can fix the public schools, because the very concept itself is collectivist.

It is hypocritical to submit your children to an authority with whom you fundamentally disagree. And children dislike hypocrites.

Any child that comes out of the government school collective with their moral compass and common sense intact does so in spite of the government school indoctrination, not because of it.

To understand the content and compass of modern education, see ...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/54400125/Change-Agents-in-the-Schools-Barbara-Morris-1979

If you want to win the culture war, have lots of children (see my tagline) and homeschool them or form your own school cooperative with your church or synagogue and like-minded friends and relatives.

Nobody loves your children more than you do.

Nobody can teach your children better than you can.

Nobody knows your children better than you do.

Your children would love nothing better than to be taught by you, if you start doing so before they are corrupted by the government school collective.

If you have children, make whatever sacrifices you must to get them out of the public schools.


2 posted on 03/07/2013 10:25:50 AM PST by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: george76

>>Stanford economist Caroline Hoxby also has studied how teacher unions affect education. While there is evidence that teacher unions have a “pretty big positive” impact on how much is spent on public schools, there is either no impact or a negative impact on student performance, she said.

In other words, they unnecessarily drive up costs without providing any benefit to the students.

Government employee unions should be outlawed.


3 posted on 03/07/2013 10:34:01 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: Westbrook

The “public school” is BY FAR, the largest, most expensive, most subversive, and most destructive entitlement program in the country.

I agree!

4 posted on 03/07/2013 10:34:07 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Progressive, Marxist liberals do not evolve, they morph into fascists.)
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To: george76
Lawmakers are moving to undercut the tenuous power of teachers unions by barring them from using voluntary paycheck deductions for politics.

Tenuous? Good grief.

I'm guessing the Kansas City Star is written, edited, printed, and distributed by loyal Union members.

5 posted on 03/07/2013 10:38:16 AM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Steely Tom
The Kansas City Star isn't fit to line my Cats Litter Box.

The Only Reason why School districts like USD 500 aren't 200% Vilified by the National Opponents to the Government Education System is because KCMO Schools are right next door and are even worse.

6 posted on 03/07/2013 11:48:06 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

The KNEA has been ruining public education since the 50s. One of their favorite governors was Kathline Sibileus. What does that tell you?


7 posted on 03/07/2013 11:56:31 AM PST by Kanzan
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To: george76

Governor Brownback is hated by the RATS here. The papers (all RAT-controlled) are full of hateful editorials by editors and lefty poly-sci professors.


8 posted on 03/07/2013 12:01:05 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Steely Tom

It’s called the “Red Star”.


9 posted on 03/07/2013 12:01:46 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: Kanzan
Oh it doesn't tell me anything, I Lived it.

Sibilues was the worst thing ever to happen to Kansas since the War with Missouri in the 1850's.

KNEA has a habit of sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong.

Every few semesters some new KNEA Gobbledygook would come down the pike and screw even our most minor School plans up.

10 posted on 03/07/2013 12:04:45 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: george76

Teacher unions and other public unions must be terminated, throughout USA. This perversion of government on government should never have been.


11 posted on 03/07/2013 4:47:12 PM PST by veracious
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks george76.


12 posted on 03/07/2013 6:58:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: george76
Know your enemy and their tactics. These are from Michigan but I doubt things are done much differently there.

Electing your employer

Michigan education association.
13 posted on 03/08/2013 4:00:15 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: george76
Lawmakers are moving to undercut the tenuous power of teachers unions by barring them from using voluntary paycheck deductions for politics.

"Tenuous power"? Teachers unions are as entrenched as it gets. What are these idiots at the Red Star smoking?

14 posted on 03/08/2013 7:42:30 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The only logical answer is to disband all employee unions, at every level of government.

While I detest unions, in the private sector the employees can give it a shot.
If any private company decides they don't want to deal with them anymore, they can simply close down.
Businesses open and close every day.

OTOH, we citizens have no recourse against government unions/employees negotiating with each other and against us, as owners/taxpayers.

Well we have the one final solution, but it seems there would be less blood shed if a simple executive order made the nightmare begun by another executive order, simply corrected the error of institutionalizing corruption in government.

15 posted on 03/08/2013 5:22:29 PM PST by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: sarasmom
The only logical answer is to disband all employee unions, at every level of government.

The right to free association implies the right to collective bargaining. What should be done beyond implementing right to work laws nationally is to amend the NRLA to remove he exemption from antitrust law unions currently abuse. Don't like their deal, choose another.

16 posted on 03/08/2013 6:05:31 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: vikingd00d

Let’sput it another way. Teacher union leaders are more interested in getting money for the public schools than for getting more money for teachers. Furthermore, the NEA especially is not democratically governed. Like many another union, it draws all power into the head and cultivates group think.


17 posted on 03/08/2013 9:07:33 PM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not for government employees.


18 posted on 03/10/2013 8:01:55 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: sarasmom
Not for government employees.

You have no clue how the market I'm talking about would work. These would be personnel services companies, forced by competition to market the best people possible and make the most of every one. It also satisfies that annoying unalienable right called "free association" and another equally annoying constitutional right called "equal protection." If you can't deal with either, then you don't belong here.

It is MONOPOLY power that makes unions so bad. Were they forced to compete in a free enterprise labor market, they would be totally different.

19 posted on 03/10/2013 8:16:09 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: metmom

Ping!


20 posted on 03/10/2013 8:26:33 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Yes, I do have a “clue” how your “personnel services companies” work.
Inside and out.
Both as an “product” of such a service, and as the “Client”.
It was incredibly convenient to sign on to an agency while I was seeking another permanent position.

Other than one job (that I quit outright) I would give my employer a minimum two week notice, and sign on to an agency.
Never missing a weekly paycheck, or collecting unemployment.

“Temping” was a great experience, and I acquired additional skills from working in many environments.

It worked out well for me, because I wanted a permanent position in a specific, small niche market, but had enough core skills in other areas to wait for a decent new position to open, or be created.

It didn't work out as well for many less agile and experienced workers.
Many “Clients” were very willing to hire long term temporary low level clerical workers on a semi-permanent basis.
Fixed expence, no benefits paid, and easily discarded.

Oddly enough, the government, insurance and healthcare industries make heavy use of “personnel services companies”.

hmmmmm.

Yes, I do think I have much more than a “clue”.

.

21 posted on 03/11/2013 6:46:46 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: sarasmom
Yes, I do have a “clue” how your “personnel services companies” work.
Inside and out.

Apparently not.

Fixed expence, no benefits paid, and easily discarded.

I wouldn't hire a person who won't use the spell-check in the posting box.

Unlike temp agencies, most craft unions currently take responsibility for training for specialized skills: electricians, mechanics, millwrights, high steel workers, telecom workers, bricklayers, air traffic controllers, etc. Unfortunately, most often they contract by a fixed rate of production under the premise that all their workers are equally skilled, which means that they don't make the most of their people and don't get rid of the worst. Nor do they have as much motive to improve the skills they deliver as they would under competition.

Besides the skill level and the variety of services offered, the difference between most "temp agencies" and competing craft "unions" is that the latter would at least start out employee-owned. As to "temp work" many of the jobs for the above skills above are not.

Try again.

22 posted on 03/11/2013 7:27:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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To: Carry_Okie
LOL!

So your grand scheme is to resurrect the ancient “guild workers” !

Shall we also revamp indentured servants? ROTFLMAO!

23 posted on 03/11/2013 8:05:27 PM PDT by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: KC_Lion; All

Let’s just say as a teacher I strongly disagree with unions.

We moved to Texas in 2008 (still miss Kansas and hope to come back someday).

Unfortunately, I make enough more as a teacher in Texas (non-union....they just have teacher associations without bargaining power) than I would in Kansas.

Frankly, I would have to teach in a KC suburb district or in Wichita to come even close, and even that is still a lot less.

It’s difficult. I would like to move back, but I moved before taking a pay cut and that’s not going to happen again.

So, the idea that unions are necessary for better pay is ridiculous. Granted, Texas is helped by a different school funding formula and oil money out here in West Texas, but that does not do enough to explain the difference.

There are many districts in Kansas that pay nearly $10,000 less!


24 posted on 03/20/2013 8:50:34 AM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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