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1 posted on 03/07/2013 12:31:11 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Strictly speaking, Eric Holder already acknowledged this yesterday after three agonizing minutes of Ted Cruz teasing it out of him. But Rand Paul wanted a formal statement from the White House as a condition of ending his filibuster. And now, apparently, he’s got it:

White House spokesman Jay Carney told reporters at 1:15 pm. that Mr. Holder’s letter to the Kentucky Republican went out shortly after noon, and just 12 hours after Mr. Paul stages a marathon talking filibuster on the Senate floor demanding clarification of U.S. drone policies and the president’s authority to order strikes on Americans.

Mr. Holder’s letter answers Mr. Rand’s question, “Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill Americans not engaged in combat on U.S. soil,” Mr. Carney said.

“The answer to that question is no,” he said. “A letter signed by the attorney general has gone out in the last half an hour.”

That’s nearly the full text of the letter, a copy of which you can find at the Weekly Standard. All that’s missing is how it begins: “It has come to my attention that you have now asked an additional question.” Yeah? Paul’s been demanding an answer from the White House about this since mid-February at least. Only yesterday, after he spent 13 hours on the Senate floor repeating that question a few thousand times, did it finally come to Holder’s attention?

Also, before you celebrate, think carefully about whether Holder’s really answering his concerns. Paul wasn’t just asking about “weaponized drones.” He was asking about targeted killing generally. Sending the CIA in to shoot a guy in the head because he’s on O’s “kill list” doesn’t address the due process concerns just because no drone was used. The phrase “not engaged in combat” is also murky since the entire point of this debate is about defining what it means to be “engaged in combat” against the United States. Paul’s point yesterday was that, even if a U.S. citizen is an “enemy combatant,” the feds should be barred from summarily executing him if he’s on U.S. soil. Only if he’s in the process of carrying out an attack is lethal force justified. That’s his definition of “engaged in combat,” at least inside the continental U.S. The alternate definition is that an “enemy combatant” is, by his very nature, always engaged in combat against America. The DOJ itself more or less adopted that definition by defining “imminence” so broadly in its “white paper” on drone attacks as to suggest that members of Al Qaeda are always, at every moment, posing an imminent threat because they’re “continually plotting.” By that standard, Obama could drop a bomb on a U.S.-born jihadi hiding in an American safe house and still be okay under Holder’s letter here because the target was, as a member of Al Qaeda who was up to no good, necessarily “engaged in combat.” We’ll see what Paul has to say to all this. Not sure if he’s seen the letter yet, but for now he’s enjoying seeing them forced to speak up:

Rand Paul doing an end zone dance on Fox: “Under duress, and under public humiliation, the White House will relent and do the right thing.”

— Mike O’Brien (@mpoindc) March 7, 2013

Update: Perhaps it’s time for Congress to stop letting Obama define his own authority on this:

We suspect the day an administration starts killing Americans with drones at cafes — to borrow one of Rand Paul’s hypotheticals — is the day impeachment proceedings begin. If Congress is worried, though, there is a simple expedient. As Andy McCarthy has written, “Nothing prevents Congress from amending the AUMF to provide explicit protections for Americans suspected of colluding with this unique enemy. Congress could, for example, instruct that in the absence of an attack or a truly imminent threat, the president is not authorized to use lethal force in the United States against Americans suspected of being enemy combatants. Congress could also define what it means by ‘imminent.’”

And in fact, Paul and Ted Cruz have a bill in the works that would do just that. Which poses a dilemma for O: Resist on grounds that the bill is a violation of separation of powers because it circumscribes his authority as commander-in-chief, or give in because it would be simply atrocious for a president to oppose a bill limiting his power to assassinate Americans?

Update: Paul says he’s A-OK with Holder’s response:

“I’m quite happy with the answer,” Paul told CNN. “Through the advise and consent process, I’ve got an important answer.”


2 posted on 03/07/2013 12:32:54 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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Next thing we’ll hear, Rand will have been taken out by a Hellfire missile while having a latte at Starbucks.


4 posted on 03/07/2013 12:33:28 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_for_our_time ... IT’S A TRAP!!!! Aien’t worth the paper or Disk Space it’s written on! ALL MOSLEMS(and thier TOADIES) LIE!


5 posted on 03/07/2013 12:33:50 PM PST by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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Define non combatent.


6 posted on 03/07/2013 12:34:23 PM PST by Frapster (There you go again...)
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8 posted on 03/07/2013 12:35:28 PM PST by baddog 219
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Errrr ...I Hate That Guy!


11 posted on 03/07/2013 12:40:30 PM PST by TexasCajun
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Holder’s attitude towards the truth is about the same as that of Islam; you need not tell it to the Infidel (Patriot) if you can advance the faith (the regime) with a lie.


12 posted on 03/07/2013 12:41:46 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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Sen. Rand Paul declared "victory" Thursday after Attorney General Eric Holder assured him that the president cannot use a drone to kill a non-combatant American on U.S. soil -- an assurance Paul had sought during his 13-hour filibuster the day before.

I have a question for Senator Paul. If the president is notified that an airliner with 200 passengers on board has been hijacked by Muslim extremists who plan to fly it into a packed football stadium then does he have the authority to order that airplane shot down?

13 posted on 03/07/2013 12:41:47 PM PST by DoodleDawg
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And they trust Eric Holder and Barack Obama? And what is the definition of combatant, according to this government? I have a feeling it's not what Senator Rand Paul thinks it is.
17 posted on 03/07/2013 12:49:42 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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Sen. Rand Paul declared "victory" Thursday after Attorney General Eric Holder assured him that the president cannot use a drone to kill a non-combatant American on U.S. soil ...

Yes, it was a victory. Thanks you Rand Paul.

But when dealing with democrats - people who wonder about the definition of 'is' is... it's best to tie down meanings. Who would trust these democrats any further than they can be thrown. Democrats need to give their assurances publicly - NOT just to blowhards that love to be flattered like Sen. John McCain.

This is too important to leave to fools.

22 posted on 03/07/2013 1:03:41 PM PST by GOPJ (DHS HAS secured: 1.6 BILLION bullets - 2.700 tanks and 35,000 drones ...to use on American soil...)
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Unnecessary fear my butt. If the govt has their way we will have 10,000 drones flying overhead everyday spying on everything we do. Its a nightmare just thinking about it.

When they are doing stuff in the US that they are not doing in Russia you know you are screwed.


43 posted on 03/07/2013 2:03:37 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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First of all, if a president has the power to say he WON’T used drones on Americans, he apparently has the power to change his mind and kill anyone he wants.

I don’t call it a victory when a muslim is CIA Director.


44 posted on 03/07/2013 2:14:23 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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Man, I hope he got it in writing. Holder LIES about what he says as often as the LIAR IN Chief.


46 posted on 03/07/2013 3:30:25 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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The man is a idiot.

That’s not even the main point. And there are exceptions to the rule.

Thankfully, this grandstanding jerk will never be President.


47 posted on 03/07/2013 4:12:09 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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I think the reason why Holder gave a quick reply after the filibuster is that the filibuster got a lot of people’s attention. People woke up on this. This is the beginning.


51 posted on 03/08/2013 7:53:39 AM PST by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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