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Holder: No drone strikes on American citizens ‘not engaged in combat’
Yahoo News ^ | 7 Mar 2013 | Chris Moody

Posted on 03/07/2013 4:28:02 PM PST by mandaladon

Attorney General Eric Holder has responded to Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's question about whether the federal government can legally use a drone strike against an American citizen on U.S. soil if the person is "not engaged in combat":

Earlier this week, Holder wrote in a letter to Paul that the president has the authority to order militarized drone strikes on American citizens within the United States, but only in “an extraordinary circumstance.”

In protest, Paul spoke for 13 hours straight on the Senate floor Wednesday, arguing against the drone policy.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Kentucky; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: drone; drones; holder; rand; randsconcerntrolls; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/07/2013 4:28:04 PM PST by mandaladon
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To: mandaladon
Define 'combat' you piece of sh*t.

Sincerely,

2 posted on 03/07/2013 4:30:10 PM PST by skeeter
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To: mandaladon

It would all depend on who it is that defines “combat.”


3 posted on 03/07/2013 4:30:22 PM PST by OKRA2012
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To: skeeter

“Combat” = drinking coffee at Starbuck’s while posting on FR.


4 posted on 03/07/2013 4:34:11 PM PST by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: MeganC

Oh oh.


5 posted on 03/07/2013 4:34:46 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: mandaladon

Khrushchev’s threat/prediction turned out to be correct.


6 posted on 03/07/2013 4:35:40 PM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: mandaladon

Anyone who voted to confirm this Brennan CIA POS should lose their reelection.


7 posted on 03/07/2013 4:37:00 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: mandaladon

You have to parse everything these bastards say.

It’s just a matter of time before a drone will be used in this capacity, and it will be argued that the drone was not on American soil, but rather in American airspace.


8 posted on 03/07/2013 4:37:02 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: mandaladon

How about voter fraud?


9 posted on 03/07/2013 4:37:57 PM PST by Average Al
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To: mandaladon

A sure sign that Senator Paul was sucessful standing up to Holder.


10 posted on 03/07/2013 4:38:22 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Average Al
How about voter fraud?

The Baraqqis are working on a ballot-stuffing drone, LOL.

11 posted on 03/07/2013 4:39:03 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: mandaladon

Heard this on the CBS evening news and about fell out of my chair. Didn’t the government already state that vets are terrorists? Combative against the government could easily mean anyone who votes against or says anything against the usurper, is a Tea Party member, owns a Bible, owns a gun, etc. That just shut down any state seceeding from the Union. Welcome to al Amerika.


12 posted on 03/07/2013 4:39:10 PM PST by bgill
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To: mandaladon

We are being THREATENED.


13 posted on 03/07/2013 4:39:54 PM PST by lyby ("Mathematics is the language with which God has written the universe." ~ Galileo Galilei)
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To: mandaladon

Riiiigggghhhhtttttttt . . . . . . . . . . . . . and, I’m supposed to believe anything that comes out of this administration because . . . . . . . . !!????


14 posted on 03/07/2013 4:41:45 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: OKRA2012
It would all depend on who it is that defines “combat.”

Indeed. Were those at Waco engaged in combat? Ruby Ridge? If you're a victim of a bad no-knock entry and defend yourself is that 'combat'? How about if you and your commie girlfriend are busy building and planting explosives to kill cops? How about if you occupy a college admin building carrying a firearm?

15 posted on 03/07/2013 4:41:48 PM PST by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes everything)
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To: skeeter

Drinkin a gig gulp while driving an internal combustion automobile


16 posted on 03/07/2013 4:41:57 PM PST by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: mandaladon

Holed up in your “compound” with your “arsenal” while the IRS lays siege due to you refusing to pay the Obamacare tax for not having an approved policy = “combat” = drone strikes without due process.


17 posted on 03/07/2013 4:45:32 PM PST by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Brad's Gramma

lulz - I need to find a new hotspot.


18 posted on 03/07/2013 4:49:39 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: lyby

YES, we are.

That letter drips venom and resentment.


19 posted on 03/07/2013 4:50:43 PM PST by Sequoyah101
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To: Paine in the Neck
Were those at Waco engaged in combat? Ruby Ridge?

Excellent followup questions.
20 posted on 03/07/2013 4:51:01 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: skeeter

not turning in your firearms?


21 posted on 03/07/2013 4:52:21 PM PST by RC one (.From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: scripter

Ping


22 posted on 03/07/2013 4:52:21 PM PST by latina4dubya ( self-proclaimed tequila snob)
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To: mandaladon
HEY HOLDER!!!!

Your answer is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!!

It violates the 4th Amendment!

23 posted on 03/07/2013 4:52:28 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: mandaladon

The folks who were at Waco and Ruby Ridge are unimpressed.


24 posted on 03/07/2013 4:56:14 PM PST by Random Access
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To: skeeter

Not driving a black truck.


25 posted on 03/07/2013 4:56:48 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: lyby

“We are being THREATENED.”

Yes, we most certainly are.


26 posted on 03/07/2013 4:56:59 PM PST by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: mandaladon

That’s mighty nice of Eric The Red.


27 posted on 03/07/2013 4:57:43 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: DustyMoment

“Riiiigggghhhhtttttttt . . . . . . . . . . . . . and, I’m supposed to believe anything that comes out of this administration because . . . . . . . . !!????”

I concur.


28 posted on 03/07/2013 4:58:56 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: mandaladon

DHS doesn’t need drones, they’ve got SWAT teams


29 posted on 03/07/2013 5:00:55 PM PST by liberateUS
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To: RC one

“not turning in your firearms?”

I’m sure as hell not going to be turning any of mine in.


30 posted on 03/07/2013 5:01:19 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Brad's Gramma

Dr. Paul is now our leader and an American HERO!!


31 posted on 03/07/2013 5:02:17 PM PST by willardwx
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To: Yosemitest

Our new conservative “rock star” Marco Rubio voted for brennan.


32 posted on 03/07/2013 5:02:30 PM PST by mirkwood (project gutenberg)
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To: Howie66

Special Agent Gibbs Rule #9: Never go anywhere without a knife.


33 posted on 03/07/2013 5:03:08 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Sequoyah101

“YES, we are.

That letter drips venom and resentment.”

Please note the letter head:

“The Attorney General” not, “Office of the Attorney General” or the seal of that office.

I wonder when they changed that?


34 posted on 03/07/2013 5:03:45 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: mandaladon

For those who are questioning the “combat” clarifier, realize that it comes directly from the question Sen. Paul was asking:

“We’re arguing about targeted strikes of people not involved in combat. That’s my concern.”

. . .

That’s all I’m asking here. I’m asking for the President to admit publicly that he’s not in favor of summary executions. That’s really all I’m asking. Summary executions of noncombatants. It seems like a pretty easy answer. We could be done with this in a moment’s notice if someone would call the President, ask him the question, we could be done with this. Because that’s what I want to hear. Not that he’s not going to use the military to repel an invasion. Nobody is questioning the authority of the President to repel an invasion. But I am questioning the authority of the President to kill noncombatants asleep at home, eating at the restaurant, or what have you”

. . .

“Another way to resolve this where we could conclude this debate and get on with the nomination would be for the majority party to come forward with a resolution that says you know what? We aren’t going to kill noncombatants in America with drone strikes. We’re not going to use the military.”

. . .

“So it’s a really easy question and the president should just very frankly answer the question, ‘I will not kill noncombatants. In America.’”

. . .

“If the president will sort of say what Attorney General Holder was trying to say this morning and put it into actual words, that he thinks that he has the military authority to reject imminent attack, I think we all agree to that. But if he says that he’s not going to use drones on people who are not engaged in combat in America, I think we could be done with this debate.”


35 posted on 03/07/2013 5:03:52 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: SandRat

Do you mean the 5th Amendment? I don’t see how the 4th applies...


36 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:11 PM PST by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: SandRat

“Special Agent Gibbs Rule #9: Never go anywhere without a knife.”

My Ka-Bar is always nearby.

As are some other goodies.


37 posted on 03/07/2013 5:05:24 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: mandaladon

His answer to the the question can be interpreted at least five different ways. Four of them are very, very bad.


38 posted on 03/07/2013 5:07:04 PM PST by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: skeeter

“Thought combat” coming soon.


39 posted on 03/07/2013 5:08:00 PM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: mandaladon

That’s a blink which is a hell of a lot more than the full force of the GOP has been able to get out of Obama.


40 posted on 03/07/2013 5:08:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: mandaladon

Juan and Linda are drones, attacking America daily.


41 posted on 03/07/2013 5:08:16 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


Amendment VII

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


42 posted on 03/07/2013 5:10:03 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: andyk

Take your Bible, too. That’ll do it for sure!

Oh!!!! And you MUST go to the most LIBERAL part of town for the full effect of The-Drones-That-Won’t-Be-Falling. Ugh


43 posted on 03/07/2013 5:10:24 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Psalm 83)
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To: skeeter

Obama has referred to the republicans as the “enemy” on several occasions.


44 posted on 03/07/2013 5:12:36 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: RC one

Yup.

Any kind of resistance.


45 posted on 03/07/2013 5:15:52 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: mandaladon

Combat=Pop tart gun


46 posted on 03/07/2013 5:15:55 PM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: mandaladon

So if the BATF or some other Blue Helmet is doing a No Knock Invasion of your house and you resist????

To quote Hillary “What does it matter now?”


47 posted on 03/07/2013 5:17:16 PM PST by TexasTransplant (Idiocracy used to just be a Movie... Live every day as your last...one day you will be right)
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To: MeganC

“Combat” = registering to vote.


48 posted on 03/07/2013 5:19:47 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: mandaladon

are drones so precise that there is no collateral damage ?


49 posted on 03/07/2013 5:20:45 PM PST by stylin19a (obama - Fredo smart)
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To: skeeter

Would “voting from a roof top” be considered “combat?”

I just want all the rules spelled out like the founding fathers ensured in the Constitution.

If we are going to play games, we all need to know the rules.


50 posted on 03/07/2013 5:21:23 PM PST by hadaclueonce (Forget Mexico. Put the border fence around California.)
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