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‘Jesus Christ’ Banned from Council Prayers
Townhall.com ^ | March 7, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 03/08/2013 6:12:10 AM PST by Kaslin

The mayor of a Washington town has directed pastors to stop invoking the name “Jesus Christ” in city council invocations.

Don Jensen, the mayor of Longview, Wash., told the Kelso-Longview Ministerial Association that prayers mentioning Christ were not acceptable because they could expose the city to a lawsuit.

The decision has sparked controversy in the city – located about 50 miles north of Portland, Ore.

Mark Schmutz, who pastors the Northlake Baptist Church, said if they can’t speak the name Jesus Christ, association ministers will no longer provide the invocation.

“We need to be able to speak Jesus’ name,” he told The Daily News. “They’re asking us not to do what we’re called to do. This is the one and only true God. We’re not trying to be against anybody – we’re just being clear about what we’re for.

Local ministers have been leading City Council invocations for more than 50 years – and until recently there had never been any complaints.

That changed when resident Dan Smith started raising concerns about the constitutionality of prayers that include the name of Christ and whether it was appropriate for the ministerial association to be responsible for the prayers.

“I do fully realize that this may not be a popular thing for you to do, but as an elected public official it is the right thing to do,” he wrote in a letter to council members.

Smith describes himself as a “comfortable atheist” – and called the longtime prayers an embarrassment. He hinted that unless the prayers were dropped it might lead to a lawsuit.

The city’s attorney said invocations are certainly permitted under the Constitution but what is unclear is whether the prayers can invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

Mayor Jensen told the newspaper he regretted having to issue the edict.

“It’s not my choice to stop this, but I don’t know how we can put our citizens at jeopardy and cost our city and our citizens a lot of money,” he said.

Jensen said the invocations set the right tone for their meetings and said it encouraged residents to be “more friendly.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: faithandfamily; jesuschrist; lawsuits; washington

1 posted on 03/08/2013 6:12:10 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Fear and greed are all that is left.


2 posted on 03/08/2013 6:15:56 AM PST by ecomcon
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To: Kaslin

This isn’t anything new. Even in the Bible, men were told to not say the name Jesus Christ. (WHY? Because it hold so much power against evil)

If it were me, I would not stop and see if they would arrest me. I would go to prison.


3 posted on 03/08/2013 6:18:02 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: ecomcon

JESUS CHRI....zot!!!

I can hear it now...

“That’s my name, don’t wear it out!!!”

In the end, I know who will have the last laugh...I can dig it...;-)


4 posted on 03/08/2013 6:18:34 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Kaslin

That’s a silly point by the mayor. Of course Christian pastors will use Jesus’ name. The way to protect the city council is to open the invocation up to all actual residents of the city who will volunteer to pray.

Then, any and every group has their day to read their prayer.

It will statistically reflect America in that the majority religions will have more sign up.

It is inappropriate to make a list of local religions and give each of them their day, balancing the list. That would advantage some far beyond their actual representation in the population.

Instead one simply asks for volunteers and allows the statistical representation of any group in the population to be reflected in their rates of volunteering.


5 posted on 03/08/2013 6:19:26 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin

The holy martyrs whom we commemorate every day during Great Lent faced prolonged, gruesome tortures and beheading for invoking the Name of our Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ.

Compared to that, facing a few atheist politicians’ and lawyers’ threats is NOTHING!!!!


6 posted on 03/08/2013 6:20:18 AM PST by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Truth2012

I agree, that would be my mission...


7 posted on 03/08/2013 6:20:21 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: ecomcon
The city’s attorney said invocations are certainly permitted under the Constitution but what is unclear is whether the prayers can invoke the name of Jesus Christ.

Yep. Those first 2 amendments are so murky to progressives.

8 posted on 03/08/2013 6:20:37 AM PST by Right Brother
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To: stevie_d_64

Someone is going to have to take it there. In fact a bunch of us might have to take it that far. I have three kids to raise still- but I will take up the challenge.

I know that these “Chaplin” offices, in various groups are going to be a battleground.

I would wish to finish raising my kids first, but if God calls me into prison, for standing up for his name, I am going.

I will pray for you, that if you are called into prison and go, you will have courage and peace. :)

We should pray for anyone who has the courage to go to prison for Jesus, our Lord.


9 posted on 03/08/2013 6:24:42 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Kaslin; sickoflibs
so ONE man, threatening to sue, dominates the council and scares them into submission...

sounds like mr atheist outta be introduced to the Father by a few good samaritans of the city...

10 posted on 03/08/2013 6:25:47 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Truth2012
"If it were me, I would not stop and see if they would arrest me. I would go to prison."

I believe this was John and Peter's response also.

11 posted on 03/08/2013 6:27:06 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Kaslin
The Fallible and Uninspired are at work again...


"...who, being themselves but fallible and uninspired men, have assumed dominion over the faith of others, setting up their own opinions and modes of thinking as the only true and infallible, and as such endeavoring to impose them on others, hath established and maintained false religions over the greatest part of the world, and through all time;
 
...
 
 that it is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order; and finally, that truth is great and will prevail if left to herself, that she is the proper and sufficient antagonist to error, and has nothing to fear from the conflict, unless by human interposition disarmed of her natural weapons, free argument and debate, errors ceasing to be dangerous when it is permitted freely to contradict them. "
 
"I HAVE SWORN UPON THE ALTAR OF GOD ETERNAL HOSTILITY TO EVERY FORM OF TYRANNY OVER THE MIND OF MAN"
--The Virginia Act For Establishing Religious Freedom
--Thomas Jefferson, 1786
 

12 posted on 03/08/2013 6:35:28 AM PST by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" does that still work?)
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To: Kaslin

that prayers mentioning Christ were not acceptable because they could expose the city to a lawsuit

So what.
Grow a set and stand for hat is right


13 posted on 03/08/2013 6:37:17 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the American Revolution 2013 and the Crusades 2013?)
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To: Kaslin

Dan Smith, thank God for you...


14 posted on 03/08/2013 6:37:57 AM PST by RedHeeler
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To: Kaslin

“what is unclear is whether the prayers can invoke the name of Jesus Christ”

huh? Then why have any prayers at all?
Is some level of government choosing who or what is “acceptable” to be prayed to?

How about Father Son and Holy Ghost? Blessed Trinity.
Can we say that?
Can Catholics pray the rosary? Can we say that?

If I am offended by “allah” can I file a lawsuit and stop that name from being prayed to?

The lawyers who issued this should be asked to produce in writing a list of deities to whom it is acceptable to pray- then let citizens pour some bleach on this reasoning


15 posted on 03/08/2013 6:45:52 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Kaslin

Is it OK to say Mohammed or Allah?

Just wondering...


16 posted on 03/08/2013 7:03:11 AM PST by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Kaslin

But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Mt. 10:33 KJV


17 posted on 03/08/2013 7:08:28 AM PST by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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To: Truth2012

I think it is crazy that we are talking about going to prison for praying in America. What has happened to us???


18 posted on 03/08/2013 7:12:40 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Truth2012
This isn’t anything new. Even in the Bible, men were told to not say the name Jesus Christ. (WHY?

Wait a minute, I think you are mixing something up. It does say that we should not say the name of Jesus Christ, but it does say specifically, which you either forgot or ignored, that we should not say the name of Jesus Christ in anger or as a curse

So when a Church clergy says " in the name of Jesus Christ Amen" at the end of a prayer or speech is perfectly okay

19 posted on 03/08/2013 7:12:59 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: AT7Saluki
But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. Mt. 10:33 KJV

Ouch! That solidly conflicts with "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."

20 posted on 03/08/2013 7:22:19 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: Kaslin

That statue looks like the one at Eureka Springs, Arkansas.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 7:42:05 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Right Brother; ecomcon

***The city’s attorney said invocations are certainly permitted under the Constitution but what is unclear is whether the prayers can invoke the name of Jesus Christ. ****

When we first became a nation, were not the first laws passed by the new US Congress done in the name of the Holy Trinity?

And did not the Congress of the US authorize a printing of the Bible?


22 posted on 03/08/2013 7:46:21 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (CLICK my name. See the murals before they are painted over! POTEET THEATER in OKC!)
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To: Kaslin
Don Jensen, the mayor of Longview, Wash., told the Kelso-Longview Ministerial Association that prayers mentioning Christ were not acceptable because they could expose the city to a lawsuit.

A lawsuit filed by whom? If the town asks Christian ministers to perform public prayers, what the heck did they expect!!??

Some Muslim or atheist must have threatened the mayor.

Again, the suggestion I've made many, many times is for the mayor/administrator/principal, etc. to grow a set and say to the offended party, "Your objection has been noted. Now go and get 51% of the people in town/school/community to agree with you then come back and see me. Have a nice day."

23 posted on 03/08/2013 7:49:30 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Here once the embattled farmers stood... And fired the shot heard round the world.)
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To: Kaslin

Just another step on the road to eliminating Christianity from the USA.


24 posted on 03/08/2013 7:51:23 AM PST by I want the USA back (You know I'm right.)
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To: OldNavyVet
Ouch! That solidly conflicts with "forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."

Not sure how. Denying Christ is the same thing as thumbing your nose at God. Those interested in forgiveness come running to Him.
25 posted on 03/08/2013 7:52:56 AM PST by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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To: Kaslin

I was talking about the disciples who were brought in front of the courts and told to stop using the name Jesus Christ.


26 posted on 03/08/2013 8:02:15 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

If I lived there, I would have to give this speech to the council:

“Jesus Christ, what’s wrong with you people? Why can’t I mention Jesus Christ in a prayer?”. Let the irony spank them.


27 posted on 03/08/2013 8:07:08 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Kaslin

“Just walk on into the showers there people. Do not worry. Soap will be provided” Jahwol. Sieg Heil!


28 posted on 03/08/2013 8:49:02 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

It is the statue in Eureka Springs, Arkansas. Click on the link for the article and then click on the photo


29 posted on 03/08/2013 8:58:30 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Truth2012

By whom were they told and can you please point to the verse


30 posted on 03/08/2013 9:01:13 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: ecomcon

much ado about nothing. This is just being universal vs being one particular denomination.

Some of these objections are just silly.


31 posted on 03/08/2013 9:13:11 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Kaslin

If you don’t know this story, read the whole book of Acts- BUT I will give you the cliff notes.. it is, specifically, in Acts 5:42. :)


32 posted on 03/08/2013 9:34:03 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: I want the USA back

is a christian priest still able to do the invocation? yes.

so it is just “heavenly father” vs a mere name.


33 posted on 03/08/2013 9:38:22 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Truth2012
Okay I found it, but when you said it was in the Bible, I thought you meant in the entire New Testament which, with the exception of Acts 5:42

Actually I think it's 5:41

34 posted on 03/08/2013 10:17:14 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Truth2012

The way I look at it is that we are all already IN prison...So I do not believe in sitting their pulling my hair out wondering when someone will release me...

There IS a way out...And it is right in front of you, it has always been there, you just have to have the courage and faith to just do it...


35 posted on 03/08/2013 1:10:02 PM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Kaslin

And we want government approved prayer in school? There is nothing stopping kids praying in school now.


36 posted on 03/08/2013 2:06:11 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Kaslin

Eliminate invocations. Do city business. Pretty simple.


37 posted on 03/08/2013 2:08:22 PM PST by martiangohome
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To: martiangohome

GTH


38 posted on 03/08/2013 2:27:04 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Gilbo_3

Aren’t you tired when one atheist sues and everyone gets scared. It is time for Christians to start suing those atheist wackos


39 posted on 03/08/2013 2:30:17 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

So, this guy stands at the gates of Heaven and is told “You chose money over the simple use of my name. Many will come in. You won’t be one of them.”


40 posted on 03/08/2013 3:02:32 PM PST by Terry Mross (How long before America is gone?)
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To: Kaslin
I do fully realize that this may not be a popular thing for you to do, but as an elected public official it is the right thing to do

Hey, moron. The pastors are not elected officials, they also are invited to lead invocations, where did you get the power to censor speech??

41 posted on 03/08/2013 3:06:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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