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Salty Food May Be a Culprit in Autoimmune Diseases
ScienceNOW ^ | 6 March 2013 | Mitch Leslie

Posted on 03/08/2013 7:29:35 PM PST by neverdem

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Don't pass the salt. The food flavoring prompts generic T cells like these to specialize into TH17 cells that stimulate autoimmune diseases, new findings suggest.
Credit: N. Yosef et al., Nature 495 (6 March) © 2013 Nature Publishing Group

For decades, doctors have been admonishing us to cut back on salt to reduce the odds of a heart attack or stroke. Now, there may be a new reason to avoid the seasoning: Studies on rodents and cultured cells, reported today, reveal that dietary salt might promote autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and inflammatory bowel disease.

The studies "have done a wonderful job of pushing the knowledge forward and exploring something that is potentially clinically important," says immunologist David Fox of the University of Michigan Medical School in Ann Arbor, who wasn't involved in the research. Daniel Cua, an immunologist at Merck Research Laboratories in Palo Alto, California, concurs. The work "is really well done with a lot of mechanistic understanding."

The findings suggest that salt spurs the specialization of TH17 cells. Although these immune cells protect us from harmful bacteria and fungi, they have also been implicated in illnesses such as inflammatory bowel disease, multiple sclerosis, and psoriasis. TH17 cells mature from unspecialized T cells, and, depending on their influences, they can become beneficial or destructive.

Researchers converged on the results from different directions. Immunobiologist David Hafler of the Yale School of Medicine and colleagues found that people who admitted to eating a lot of fast food harbored more TH17 cells. One ingredient that fast food contains in prodigious amounts is salt. To determine whether salt accounted for the surfeit of TH17 cells, Hafler and colleagues spiked cultures of unspecialized T cells with sodium chloride. "The results were perhaps among the most dramatic of my career as a research scientist," he says. Modestly raising salt concentrations, mimicking the levels in the tissues of an animal eating a high-salt diet, boosted the number of TH17 cells that matured in the cultures nearly 10 times. And these TH17 cells started making inflammation-provoking molecules, indicating that they'd become the harmful variety.

The scientists next tested whether this ominous effect occurred in animals. They prompted mice to develop experimental autoimmune encephalomyelitis (EAE), a neurological illness similar to multiple sclerosis that is fostered by "bad" TH17 cells. They fed some of the rodents meals that contained about as much salt as a typical Western diet. Compared with animals that lived on low-salt food, mice that munched high-salt chow developed EAE sooner and had more severe symptoms, the team reports in Nature.

Working independently from Hafler's group, computational biologist Aviv Regev of the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Massachusetts; immunologist Vijay Kuchroo of Harvard Medical School in Boston; and colleagues also hit upon a link between salt and autoimmunity. They tracked gene activity over the 3-day maturation period of a TH17 cell and revealed the molecular circuit that controls the process. One of the most influential genes in this network wasSGK1, and it has a salt connection, helping cells manage sodium levels. Using T cell cultures, the team found that salt promotes the specialization of TH17 cells through SGK1.

Sodium levels are higher in the fluids of the body's tissues, where TH17 cells battle pathogens, than in the bloodstream. TH17 cells' sensitivity to salt may be adaptive under normal conditions, ensuring that they turn on in the right place. "You don't want T cells activated in the peripheral blood," Hafler says. "You want them to be activated when they go into the tissues."

But increasing salt levels by eating a lot of salty food might mean trouble. The medical implications of the findings could be profound, notes human geneticist Judy Cho of the Yale School of Medicine, who wasn't involved in the research. For example, autoimmune diseases such as multiple sclerosis and type 1 diabetes have become more prevalent in recent decades, and "a massive increase in salt intake could easily explain this."

Researchers now need to confirm that salt is a factor in human autoimmune diseases, says immunologist John O'Shea of the National Institute of Arthritis and Musculoskeletal and Skin Diseases in Bethesda, Maryland. People should not assume that the link is "a done deal" in humans. Scientists are ready to find out, Kuchroo says. "The stage is set to do precise experiments to test the hypothesis."



TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Testing
KEYWORDS: autoimmunedisease; autoimmunediseases; immunology; salt; sodiumchloride

1 posted on 03/08/2013 7:29:35 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

BS!!! Table Salt is washed with chlorine to bleach it white. Our bodies need sodium to function. Salt, in its natural form does not contribute to autoimmune disorders. Now, if they want to try to link the nitrites, phosphates and other flavoring’s, such as MSG, then they may have a case.


2 posted on 03/08/2013 7:46:28 PM PST by mazz44
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To: austinmark; FreedomCalls; IslandJeff; JRochelle; MarMema; Txsleuth; Newtoidaho; texas booster; ...
Maybe Bloomboob got something right by accident! Maybe exacerbations of some autoimmune diseases, e.g. MS, can be associated with excess sodium chloride consumption.

FReepmail me if you want on or off the diabetes ping list, or if you want on or off my combined microbiology/immunology ping list.

3 posted on 03/08/2013 7:49:52 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

Try minerals salt or pink sea salt. Iodization is the culprit , not the salt itself.

Nothing is better for you than a swim in a salty sea!

These idiots are nothing better than “Idiots”.


4 posted on 03/08/2013 7:53:14 PM PST by acapesket
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To: neverdem

hum?
Interesting.
My doc says there is a direct correlation between the rise in thyroid problems and iodized salt reduction.
These studies are always interesting, the researchers set out to prove what they think is a problem and well find it.


5 posted on 03/08/2013 7:53:55 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: neverdem

Before refrigeration, food stabilization was by salt. Were these diseases prevalent hundreds or thousands of years ago?


6 posted on 03/08/2013 8:01:49 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: mazz44

I agree, how else to you explain the longevity it Asian cultures that have loads of salt fermented foods. Kimchi anyone?

I believe that some to many autoimmune diseases are sparked by various pathogens that try to disguise their dna by mimicking ours and eventually provoke an autoimmune response on the tissue it is hiding in and mimicking.


7 posted on 03/08/2013 8:04:56 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: svcw
Healthy Japanese consume an average of 12 mg of iodine daily in their diets. That keeps the thyroid healthy. Iodized salt was invented to try to get enough iodine into our iodine depleted diets to prevent goiter. Most people don't get enough iodine in their diet. Consuming water with fluoride will strip the iodine from your thyroid hormone rending it inactive. That flubber around your mid section may be due low thyroid activity from inactivated thyroid hormone.
8 posted on 03/08/2013 8:07:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: svcw

Ur Doc gets his info from the CDC. Can we name one .thing they have gotten right lately? GMO’s from Monsanto. Laginex, spraying cold cuts with silicone to allegedly prevent “lysteria”, lightbulbs full of mercury and no mercury battery environmental disposal? After years of recycling, we are now just to throw batteries in the trash? What goes into water after all of the SHTF? We have been drinking fluoride for years...can someone show me the link to fluoride’s alleged safety?

Wake Up!


9 posted on 03/08/2013 8:07:23 PM PST by acapesket
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To: neverdem
The "salt causes high blood pressure" scam is falling apart, so they have to manufacture a new crisis, just like the replaced global warming with climate change.
10 posted on 03/08/2013 8:18:35 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: acapesket

Not likely, she is rabid in healthy organic low gluten eating.
She is NOT the typical doc.


11 posted on 03/08/2013 8:29:51 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: mazz44
BS!!! Table Salt is washed with chlorine to bleach it white. Our bodies need sodium to function.

Salt is sodium chloride. It's property is to be white.

It is not *washed with chloride". When you put salt in water it dissolves. It cannot be *washed* to be bleached.

Salt, in its natural form does not contribute to autoimmune disorders.

What are the medical studies you performed which demonstrated this?

Now, if they want to try to link the nitrites, phosphates and other flavoring’s, such as MSG, then they may have a case.

Maybe, but then again, what are the studies you have done to link nitrites, phosphates and other flavorings to T cell activity?

12 posted on 03/08/2013 8:31:05 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: neverdem

What about natural sea salt on real foods, not processed crap?


13 posted on 03/08/2013 8:32:53 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: neverdem
This study might be more important if the mouse immune system was similar to that of humans. It isn't. I didn't read it in this article, but the mice used for this study were bred to develop MS. That seems unusual to me, and adds even more questions about reliability. I wonder if researchers have ever shown that people who develop MS, or suffer from other types of autoimmune disorders, are sensitive to salt. You'd think that would already be common knowledge...that is, if this study is credible.
14 posted on 03/08/2013 8:35:50 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: neverdem

Why did they not discuss potassium levels in regards to this study? Potassium helps excrete high levels of sodium from the body.


15 posted on 03/08/2013 8:41:44 PM PST by upsdriver ( Palin/West '16)
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To: mazz44
Now, if they want to try to link the nitrites, phosphates and other flavoring’s, such as MSG, then they may have a case.

I doubt it. By the way, nitrites and phosphates are not flavorings. You should also be aware that the average person consumes 10 times more glutamate from naturally occurring sources than they do from added sources. Your body cannot function without glutamate, and you probably have 3 or 4 lbs. of it inside you at this very moment.

16 posted on 03/08/2013 8:52:14 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Dang it, Mase. There you go again bringing science into a pseudo-scientific discussion. Party wrecker.


17 posted on 03/08/2013 9:05:25 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: neverdem

Bullish!t


18 posted on 03/08/2013 9:10:30 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: Valpal1

Absolutely correct, some of those same pathogens enter our bodies through the misguided use of vaccines. I know there is much disagreement, on this site, but vaccines have a dark side and may be the cause of modern day syndromes and immune distress which manifests itself in many seemingly uncontrollable forms.


19 posted on 03/08/2013 9:25:48 PM PST by mazz44
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To: neverdem

So how much salt did they feed those mice, proportionally? They said they fed them the salt equivalent of a regular fast-food diet, which in a human would be high enough, but for the proportional weight of a mouse, it’d be like a human being force-fed several pounds of salt. Heck, that in and of itself probably killed off the mice. It’s like their tests of artificial sweeteners — it’s the equivalent of making the mice drink several gallons of coke at a sitting. Sorry, but I’m calling BS too.


20 posted on 03/08/2013 9:35:23 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: mazz44

I don’t think it’s vaccines. Almost 100% of the population was immunized in the 50’s through the 70’s, if that was the issue, these problems would be far more prevalent.

I’m thinking more in line with tick borne diseases like Lymes

or this http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2012/06/red-meat-allergy-likely-caused-by-tick-bites/#.UTrJ4hzvsQI

or this

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/news/20120829/new-tick-borne-disease-heartland-virus

Not that all of is tick or insect born, but the fact is, there are millions of bacteria and viruses out there, unknown and unidentified and trying to kill us.

I think Alzheimer’s might be tied to oral spirochetes and poor dental hygeine.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 9:45:26 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: metmom

There have been may studies linking phosphates and nitrites to disease, including linking phosphates to blood cancers. In fact, it has been all over the net, lately.

As for the bleaching, I used a generic term and I should have been more detailed. Table is created through vacuum pan evaporation. This, basically removes all the other minerals located within the brine, thus changing the polarity of the salt and “bleaching” it white. (All you have left is sodium chloride) This change in polarity seems to be very incompatible with our sodium/potassium pump and increased the chance of high blood pressure in certain individuals.

Table salt also contains fillers such as calcium silicate and dextrose.

I will send you links to research, personally if you would like.


22 posted on 03/08/2013 9:49:55 PM PST by mazz44
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To: Valpal1

The polio vaccine was given pre 1950 and what docs are seeing now is post polio syndrome, which direct cause is/was the vaccine.


23 posted on 03/08/2013 10:02:18 PM PST by mazz44
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To: neverdem

I grew up in a low-salt household. If it didn’t say “low sodium”, it just wasn’t allowed.

Most of my family has one autoimmune disorder or another. Personally, I get sick if I try to go without salt anymore.


24 posted on 03/08/2013 10:17:55 PM PST by Ellendra (http://www.ustrendy.com/ellendra-nauriel/portfolio/18423/concealed-couture/)
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To: Mase

Nitrites, phosphates and glutamate are used in flavoring and packaged meats and other foods. Unbound glutamate acts as a neurotoxin. It also, in excess inhibits the bodies production of cysteine and glutathione. The body uses cysteine to make glutathione and taurine. Even lifters that use l-glutamine to aid recovery, should cycle it to prevent toxicity. Excess glutamate has been shown to increase chances of acquiring cancers and has shown to reduce survival outcomes. Phosphates have been linked to cancer, as well.

You know, sometimes our actions have consequences and our health is no exception. I do not know why this conservative site has so many members that turn a blind eye to the fact that we are to blame for the cost of health care. These changes in our food supply over the last 4-5 decades have result in the modern syndrome, immune suppression, depression, high blood pressure, joint pain and others. We can change these outcomes, if choose, more wisely as to what we put into our bodies.

In Great Health,


25 posted on 03/08/2013 10:26:09 PM PST by mazz44
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To: mazz44

I’m sorry, but you should look that up. You don’t get post polio syndrome from the vaccine. You have to have actually had polio and survived, like my father did in 1945. He spent nearly a year in an iron lung, yet lost only the use of his left shoulder and bicep muscles.

This is why Drs. are seeing more PPS, because of the aging of the last polio survivor generation.

The numbers of people with vaccine acquired polio from the oral vaccine is minuscule, like 154 cases total since the introduction of the oral vaccine compared to 13-20,000 paralyzed per year from actual polio.

Vaccine acquired polio as a source of post polio syndrome is vanishingly small compared to the large number of actual polio survivors still alive today


26 posted on 03/08/2013 10:35:30 PM PST by Valpal1
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To: mazz44

Agreed, in fact a few weeks ago it came out that too much salt was better for you then too little. Actually they found a connection between too much cleanliness and autoimmune. A doctor in Mexico noticed that his patients with MS who had sever diarrhea were not have relapses as often. Turns out the little worms we used to eat causes our immune system to not fight itself. See http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304314404576413303666083390.html


27 posted on 03/08/2013 10:55:08 PM PST by Exton1
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To: mazz44

No links necessary. Your clarification makes sense.


28 posted on 03/09/2013 5:14:57 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: mazz44
Nitrites, phosphates and glutamate are used in flavoring and packaged meats and other foods.

In an earlier post you said that nitrites, phosphates, and MSG were used as flavorings. They are not....and you are still wrong with the statement above. Nitrites are used primarily in meats to create an environment unattractive to bacteria. Phosphates have a multitude of applications in food, but I've never seen them used as flavorings. Leavening, maintaining protein dispersion, calcium and phosphorus fortification, emulsifying action, color stability, pH adjustment, moisture binding, etc. are all uses of phosphates in food -- but no flavoring.

MSG is used most commonly as a flavor enhancer. It is not a flavoring. The fear of sodium nitrate, phosphates and MSG are totally unfounded and unsupported by legitimate science. That fact hasn't stopped the chemicalphobes, however, from doing what they do best.

Unbound glutamate acts as a neurotoxin.

This is unmitigated BS. Of course, if you eat MSG by the bucketload, all sorts of bad things could happen to you....just like if you drink too much water. But water is good for you, right?

Excess glutamate has been shown to increase chances of acquiring cancers and has shown to reduce survival outcomes.

More crapola. Your central nervous system cannot function without glutamate. Most people have about 4 lbs. of glutamate in their body at any given time. Your body produces glutamate naturally. You need to find sources for information where the authors actually have some training in chemistry, biology and human physiology.

Phosphates have been linked to cancer, as well.

Pretty scary, huh? Foods you eat every day contain chemicals that are known carcinogens. They occur naturally but don't impact your health in those minuscule amounts. If you overwhelm the body with just about anything, bad things can happen, including cancer. But I don't know of any people shoveling huge spoonfuls of phosphates down their throats, do you?

These changes in our food supply over the last 4-5 decades have result in the modern syndrome, immune suppression, depression, high blood pressure, joint pain and others.

As I've said on a regular basis here, people fear the things they don't understand. You are no different. If you base your opinions on emotion, you end up with comments like yours. Fortunately, there are enough people out there who base their decisions on sound science so our food supply becomes safer and safer. That's just one of many reasons why we are living longer and healthier lives than at any other time in human history. Bummer, huh?

29 posted on 03/09/2013 8:37:14 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: facedown
LOL. Yeah, I’m a real buzz killer. The food police and chemicalphobes don’t like me much.
30 posted on 03/09/2013 8:38:58 AM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: svcw
My doc says there is a direct correlation between the rise in thyroid problems and iodized salt reduction.

My doctor has long said the same thing. I'm on thyroid medication because of it.

This article is really very interesting, I'm curious to know what the effects of salt/nitrates are on my Ankylosing Spondylitis. The doctor who treats me for my AS is usually pretty up to speed on this type of research and has already counseled me in the last few years to eat less of certain foods and more of others (inflammation reducing foods) so I'll be curious to know what he says about this article at my next appointment in a few weeks.

31 posted on 03/09/2013 8:44:56 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Sgt_Schultze
Before refrigeration, food stabilization was by salt. Were these diseases prevalent hundreds or thousands of years ago?

Did medical science even KNOW how to diagnose those diseases years ago?

I'm not sure they did. Ankylosing Spondylitis (a genetic borne disease I have) has been around for thousands of years, it's only recently (as in the last 20-30 years) been determined to be genetic in nature and have it's roots in T-Cell (TNF)factor.

Speculation is that the Neanderthal's originally had it, and it found its way into Northern/Northeastern European bloodlines as evidenced by hunched backs and necks, over-sized knuckles later in life, and other joint destruction such as hips, knees and even jawlines. (pronounced jawlines for example.) Of course, the Neanderthal's didn't have refrigeration, and the European's cured meat and preserved food with salt so there may be some link?

Dunno, speculation on my part.

32 posted on 03/09/2013 8:52:21 AM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: neverdem

Remember the old “Hemo the Magnificent” Disney cartoons? Our blood has about as much salt concentration as sea water, and without salt, we would die a horrible and painful death.


33 posted on 03/09/2013 10:18:45 AM PST by TheOldLady
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To: Mase
Unbound glutamate acts as a neurotoxin.

This is unmitigated BS. Of course, if you eat MSG by the bucketload, all sorts of bad things could happen to you....just like if you drink too much water. But water is good for you, right?


Too bad you do not know what you are talking about. My wife gets 3 day migraines if she eats foods with MSG and any of its re-named compounds like Autolyzed yeast, and Yeast extract. Her tolerance is so low, she can eat four flavored tortilla chips, but 6 will give her the headaches. This we discovered 20 years ago and it is as predicatable as the sunrise. We take more than an hour to shop, reading every label. Me? MSG does not seem to effect me at all.

Just like any other food, such as peanuts, some people are allergic or have almost no tolerance. Nice that you proclaim BS, when some people react. I know a man personally who gets the shakes like MS after consuming MSG. If he avoids it he never has an attack, but have a single cup of broth (for example) and it is two days of symptoms.
34 posted on 03/11/2013 8:20:00 AM PDT by jps098
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To: jps098
My wife gets 3 day migraines if she eats foods with MSG

The glutamate that is added to food as a flavor enhancer is exactly the same as the glutamate that is found naturally in cheese, meat, seafood, and vegetables. Your body treats glutamate from these different sources in exactly the same way. If your wife gets headaches from foods with added MSG, then she should also get them from eating tomatoes, mushrooms, Parmesan cheese, and any other food high in glutamate.

...and any of its re-named compounds like Autolyzed yeast, and Yeast extract.

Renamed compounds? That makes no sense whatsoever. Autolyzed yeast is autolyzed yeast, and yeast extract is yeast extract. Hydrolyzed vegetable protein is hydrolyzed vegetable protein.

We take more than an hour to shop, reading every label.

How do you manage to avoid the foods where glutamate occurs naturally? What in the world do you eat? It's a fact that the average diet delivers 10 times more glutamate from naturally occurring sources than is derived from added sources. That being the case, and glutamate being responsible for your wife's migraines, she should be spending her entire life in a dark room pounding down triptans. She does have a blood brain barrier, right?

Just like any other food, such as peanuts, some people are allergic or have almost no tolerance.

Sorry to be the one to break it to you, but this is also unmitigated BS, just like the other poster was offering. Allergic reactions are normally caused by large molecules, like proteins. MSG is a small molecule that has never been shown to cause an IgE response.

Again, if MSG causes all the things you say it does, these same reactions would also come from consuming foods where glutamate occurs naturally. Since they don't, I'd say your correlations are all wrong. But since your conclusions are based on emotion rather than science, I'll place you in the same category as the other guy in this thread who doesn't know what he's talking about. Not to worry, though, you have lots of company.

35 posted on 03/11/2013 10:52:15 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase; jps098

“Again, if MSG causes all the things you say it does, these same reactions would also come from consuming foods where glutamate occurs naturally. “

No, that does not follow. The bad reaction has a lot to do with quantity. And whether it occurs naturally.

jps098
“My wife gets 3 day migraines if she eats foods with MSG”

Me, too, don’t let anyone tell you MSG is not the problem. Other additives are bad as well.


36 posted on 03/11/2013 10:55:58 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Sgt_Schultze

“Before refrigeration, food stabilization was by salt. Were these diseases prevalent hundreds or thousands of years ago?

No, it killed you by the time you were 35 instead.


37 posted on 03/11/2013 10:57:42 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: neverdem

Bottom line. Eat at home more. Restaurant food tends to have more salt and fat in it.


38 posted on 03/11/2013 11:02:10 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: neverdem

I had a couple of bowls of chili and put some salt on it. Wow were my bowels inflamed. Damn salt.


39 posted on 03/11/2013 11:05:08 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: mazz44
Table salt also contains fillers such as calcium silicate and dextrose.

Not sure if calcium silicate is one, I suspect so, but table salts all have anti-caking agents in them as well..

40 posted on 03/11/2013 11:10:12 AM PDT by IamConservative (The soul of my lifes journey is Liberty!)
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To: AuntB
The bad reaction has a lot to do with quantity. And whether it occurs naturally.

Huh? The average person consumes 10 times more glutamate from naturally occurring sources than from added sources. If you get headaches from the added sources, then you must also get them from the naturally occurring sources. These people should have migraines after every meal, but they don't. Of course, if you eat several heaping spoonfuls of MSG straight, then you could have a negative reaction. Bad things can happen anytime you overwhelm the body with something. I don't know of anyone eating straight MSG in mass quantities, but you may travel in different circles.

MSG is not the problem, but making it the problem solves the problem of having to find out what is the problem actually is. This is why emotion and science don't go well together.

41 posted on 03/11/2013 11:10:45 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

Why are you so riled up? What difference does it make to you if I chose to avoid MSG because it makes me sick?? Sounds like you’re pushing MSG...work for a distributor or something? The stuff some of you chose to get worked up about is amazing. We are all different. MSG makes me sick, yes even to much of the NATURAL KIND. Now, drop it!


42 posted on 03/11/2013 12:37:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Oh give it a rest, will ya? You said something that doesn’t make any sense and I simply pointed it out. You’re the one getting her knickers in a knot. I could care less if you make choices based on ignorance. Anytime someone disagrees with you it’s because they must have a business interest in it. That makes about as much sense as believing that something your body produces naturally (glutamate), and has to have to function properly (glutamate again), makes you sick. You must be sick all the time. Good grief.


43 posted on 03/11/2013 1:26:42 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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