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Hugo Chavez died 'in the bosom of the Church': Catholic News Agency (CNA)
Catholic news agency ^ | Mar 6, 2013 | Catholic news agency

Posted on 03/08/2013 9:01:51 PM PST by daniel1212

Caracas, Venezuela, Mar 6, 2013 / 12:01 pm (CNA).- A source in Venezuela has revealed to CNA that President Hugo Chavez died “in bosom of the Church” and received spiritual direction and the sacraments in his last days.

In announcing Chavez’s death to the nation on March 5, Vice President Nicolas Maduro said the Venezuelan leader died “clinging to Christ.” The source in Venezuela told CNA that during the last weeks of his life, Chavez requested spiritual direction and asked to receive the sacraments.

Ever since he assumed power in 1999, Chavez butted heads continuously with the Catholic Church over statements by the bishops warning of the risks and excesses of his Socialist agenda. In 2002, Chavez accused the Venezuelan bishops of being a “tumor” for his revolutionary goals and demanded that the Vatican not intervene in the internal affairs of the country.

In recent years, Chavez occasionally took part in the religious services of distinct denominations, but he surprised the press in April 2012 when he showed up at a Catholic church in his hometown of Barinas to attend Holy Week services. He wore a rosary around his neck and prayed for strength to fight his illness. Last July, Chavez made public his request to meet with the Catholic bishops.

After Chavez’s death, the Archdiocese of Caracas, led by Cardinal Jorge Urosa who is currently in Rome for the conclave, sent its condolences

The secretary general of the Bishops’ Conference of Venezuela, Bishop Jesus Gonzalez de Zarate, called for national unity. “At this time let us all put forth our best sentiments,” he said during an interview on Venezuelan television. “Death is not the end of our life,” he added. “Death only opens the way to a life of complete happiness, at the side of God our Father.”


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5.33pm GMT: A Catholic mass is now being held for Chavez, Virginia Lopez writes, officiated by Monsignor Mario Moronta, pastor Alexis Romero Valera and American civil rights leader the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

5.37pm GMT: Here's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad kissing Hugo Chavez's coffin earlier,

5.49pm GMT; Jackson says life is uncertain, but a life of service matters. We pray to God that Chavez finds peace and acceptance for his service, he says. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog...-live-coverage

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Rome - The Holy Mass in honor of the late President of Venezuela Hugo Rafael Chavez Frias will be held tomorrow Friday, March 8 at 7 pm in the Church of Santa Maria ai Monti, Via della Madonna dei Monti, 41, presided by Cardinal Jorge Urosa Savino, Archbishop of Caracas who is in Rome to attend the conclave that will elect the new Pope.This was communicated to Fides by Cardinal Urosa Savino himself and called on all Venezuelans to participate in the Eucharist. http://www.news.va/en/news/americave...-the-late-pres

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CARDINAL Jorge Urosa Sabino, Archbishop of Venezuela, who is in the Vatican to participate in the conclave to appoint a new pope, announced that he will celebrate in Rome: A public Mass to pray for the eternal repose of President Chávez.

This, despite the fact that Chávez, who died this week aged 58, had a major falling out with the Church a few years back. According to this report, in 2008, he called Cardinal Urosa “a troglodyte” and warned the Vatican that, as long as the cardinal remained as archbishop of Caracas:

I will remain very far away from the Church. - http://freethinker.co.uk/2013/03/07/troglodite-catholic-cardinal-will-hold-a-public-mass-in-rome-for-late-venezuelan-president-hugo-chavez/

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Chávez was a Catholic. He intended at one time to become a priest. He saw his socialist policies (Liberation Theology) as having roots in the teachings of Jesus Christ,[361] and he publicly used the slogan of "Christ is with the Revolution!"[362] He had some disputes with both the Venezuelan Catholic clergy and Protestant groups like the New Tribes Mission.[363][364] Although he traditionally kept his own faith a private matter, Chávez over the course of his presidency became increasingly open to discussing his religious views, stating that both his faith and his version of Jesus' personal life and ideology had a profound impact on his Liberation Theology. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Personal_life

1 posted on 03/08/2013 9:01:51 PM PST by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

Abused spouse syndrome.


2 posted on 03/08/2013 9:04:26 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: daniel1212; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; HarleyD; ...

Ping


3 posted on 03/08/2013 9:04:35 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Liberation theology is ANTI-Christ.


4 posted on 03/08/2013 9:08:10 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: daniel1212

Can sainthood be far behind?


5 posted on 03/08/2013 9:09:41 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: daniel1212
Vice President Nicolas Maduro (left) stands beside the coffin of Hugo Chavez at the military academy in Caracas Vice President Nicolas Maduro (left) stands beside the coffin of Hugo Chavez at the military academy in Caracas The presidents of Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia stand next to the coffin of Hugo Chavez The presidents of Argentina, Uruguay and Bolivia stand next to the coffin of Hugo Chavez http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0307/374536-hugo-chavez-venezuela/
6 posted on 03/08/2013 9:09:58 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
God is infinite in his mercy and forgiveness. The blood of Christ covers all sins and if communion with God through the sacrifice on the cross is genuinely sought after, God will not deny the stray who comes home.

I believe the world is a better place for Chavez's death. If Chavez truly sought forgiveness for his sins, then he may be in a better place than he was on earth.

7 posted on 03/08/2013 9:11:36 PM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com)
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To: daniel1212

He might have repented; we don’t know.

Once they’ve pumped his ugly hide full of preservatives and shoved it into the glass viewing casket they’re going set up for him, I hope the Venezuelans will focus on the future and take back their country. And I’m sure the Church will support this.

Chavez had serious conflicts with the Church over the years and only a few of the bishops had the guts to oppose him and stake out their territory. Probably the only reason Chavez wasn’t even worse is thanks to the Church, so while this wasn’t a perfect solution, it probably did make things easier for Christians in VZ.


8 posted on 03/08/2013 9:22:34 PM PST by livius
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To: daniel1212

Saw Jesse Jackson on c-span preaching the funeral. Penn sitting on the front row crying holding hand with a family member. Disgusting.


9 posted on 03/08/2013 9:26:05 PM PST by therut
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To: daniel1212

i beleive in death bed confessions and forgiveness, and it is a good thing I have no say in God’s Mercy.


10 posted on 03/08/2013 9:27:34 PM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: null and void

Roman Reactionary Disorder (RRD)

A compulsion to react to the slightest indication that the object of their devotion is being impugned, even if what they see as intolerable and censure is true.


11 posted on 03/08/2013 9:27:47 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Obama was raised in a Liberation Theology Church. The MSM took up for him. They know most people do not know that Liberation Theology is a made up theology of Commumism.


12 posted on 03/08/2013 9:28:20 PM PST by therut
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To: daniel1212

These communist assholes don’t own any neckties?


13 posted on 03/08/2013 9:30:20 PM PST by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: daniel1212
I knew, the instant the medicos had released you from your earthly torture. I heard satin lick his lips.

Rabin

MGHMOS

14 posted on 03/08/2013 9:31:05 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius; svcw; livius

Certainly it is possible that he repented in real faith in the LOrd Jesus to save him by His sinless, shed blood, as a damned+destitute sinner, and which was also said in defense of Ted Kennedy.

However, in both cases there was zero evidence of any real repentance.

And thus, as likely with Chavez, traditional RCs were upset at Kenedy’s funeral.

Kennedy, was given Masses in his own house at the same time he impenitently promoted abortion and homosexual rights. And then was honored with a glorious funeral, in which Pres, Obama gave a eulogy, contrary to canon law., and even offered a prayer for Teddy’s soul. (http://www.canonlaw.info/blogarch09.htm)

And which body of law also forbids as his moral views were effectively a “withdrawal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff,” (Canon Law # 751)

According to Canon 1184 §, unless they gave some signs of repentance before death, the following must be deprived of ecclesiastical funerals:

1/ notorious apostates, heretics, and schismatics;
2/ those who chose the cremation of their bodies for reasons contrary to Christian faith;
3/ other manifest sinners who cannot be granted ecclesiastical funerals without public scandal of the faithful. (http://www.ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur280.htm)

Kenedy’s RC funeral should have public scandal of the faithful, as there was not manifest signs of repentance before death
In a recent letter to the Pope which was read at his graveside, he insolently asserts he “never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings” of his church, and tried to be a faithful Catholic, etc..

The closest thing we get to any kind of contrition is the ambiguous, “I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith, I have tried to right my path,” before he goes on to to defend his wonderful works, including universal health care. Not a word of remorse about supporting abortion or promoting homosexual rights, or indolence and a welfare state.

Nor did the pope censure him at all in his response, but “the Holy Father cordially imparts his Apostolic Blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord.” ( www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/29/ted-kennedy-to-pope-benedict-i-am-writing-with-deep-humility/)

As one in need of grace, i do not want to be hard on struggling believers, but such men as Kennedy were critically in error and unrepentant, and illustrates what Rome effectually conveys in part.

See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2901874/posts?page=68#68 and thread relevant to this. more


15 posted on 03/08/2013 9:36:41 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

I don’t believe my post means what you think it means.


16 posted on 03/08/2013 9:38:40 PM PST by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: daniel1212

God works in mysterious ways ...


17 posted on 03/08/2013 9:39:16 PM PST by Fast Moving Angel (A moral wrong is not a civil right: No religious sanction of an irreligious act.)
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To: daniel1212
Ignorant Trolling Disorder,

A compulsion to continually attempt to tweak and annoy a particular group of people, with substance-less, uninformed arguments, for want of anything better to do with one's life.

18 posted on 03/08/2013 9:42:30 PM PST by Wyrd bi ful ard (Gone Galt, 11/07/12)
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To: daniel1212
Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Catholics, too. Both were altar boys as children.
19 posted on 03/08/2013 9:46:22 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: daniel1212
A Catholic mass is now being held for Chavez,

Praying for the dead to please man. Not surprised.

Jackson says life is uncertain, but a life of service matters. We pray to God that Chavez finds peace and acceptance for his service, he says.

Shakedown Jackson talks about service. Meanwhile God says.."No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

Don't cry JJ, you will see Chavez again and his oil is keeping it hot for you.

had a major falling out with the Church a few years back.

No biggie. It's his falling out of Truth that's major now and by all accounts he never had it.

20 posted on 03/08/2013 9:53:43 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

If he genuinely had any religion, it was probably something syncretic along the lines of santeria.


21 posted on 03/08/2013 9:54:29 PM PST by fso301
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

If you were familiar with my typical posting at all, then you would know it is very far from substance-less or uninformed arguments, while the subject of this post is something a traditional RC could post, in objection to it. As seen by their reactions to like funerals:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2327700/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2330377/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2695691/posts

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2327501/posts

As for nothing better to do, it is by and far RCs who can be seen advertising for their church here far more than any other, and when you trumpet an elitist position, then you should not complain when that draws exposure.


22 posted on 03/08/2013 9:56:35 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: livius
He might have repented; we don’t know.

What Truth could he have repented to? He didn't know The Truth. BTW, did he die poor? Just wondering how deep 'his faith' was.

23 posted on 03/08/2013 9:57:44 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Catholics, too. Both were altar boys as children.

And then you have Mother Theresa types, but avoiding two extremes, what manner of Christians Rome overall fosters is an issue.

24 posted on 03/08/2013 9:59:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

Nor did the pope censure him at all in his response, but “the Holy Father cordially imparts his Apostolic Blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord.”


You won’t believe what that costs in today’s dollars.


25 posted on 03/08/2013 10:01:20 PM PST by S.O.S121.500 (ENFORCE THE BILL OF RIGHTS "Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to take a hike."-Heinlein)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
God works in mysterious ways ...

Not when it comes to salvation. However, man does and IF they read His Word and still believes what man says.

26 posted on 03/08/2013 10:03:14 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd; daniel1212

Ignorant Trolling Disorder - 9/11/12


27 posted on 03/08/2013 10:06:51 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: daniel1212

Obviously some latin american roman catholics are very very delusional..
Hugo was evil incarnate..

Could be a problem in North America as well..


28 posted on 03/08/2013 10:08:52 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: S.O.S121.500

As often said, while Trad. RCs understandably see them as excommunicated, Rome counts and treats them as members in life and in death.

Now it is very late. Have a God night.


29 posted on 03/08/2013 10:09:14 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were Catholics, too. Both were altar boys as children.

Stalin was a Russian Orthodox seminarian before declaring himself an atheist—he later had thousands of priests harassed, imprisoned, or killed. Hitler was baptized Catholic, but fell away in a pretty big way: He had his political party specifically condemned by the Pope and murdered thousands of priests and nuns, and millions of Catholic laymen.

30 posted on 03/08/2013 10:12:31 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: presently no screen name
If I see Hugo in Heaven, I'm going to kick his ass.

Seriously, God's grace is sufficient in Christ but I doubt Hugo's repentance was.

He died full of regret and is in the non smoking section of hell where the blues flames are.

31 posted on 03/08/2013 10:17:51 PM PST by right way right (What's it gonna take? (guillotines?))
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To: daniel1212

Pretty doubtful he woke up in the bosom of Abraham. It’s more a commentary of the socialist corruption of the church.


32 posted on 03/08/2013 10:38:51 PM PST by lurk
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To: daniel1212
As to the first items as to a Mass said for Hugo Chavez in Caracas, Venezuela, cited from the Guardian (UK), the writer is flat out wrong in suggesting that the Rev. Mr. Jesse Jackson had any role in "officiating" at the Mass. He is not an ordained priest, is not a Catholic and whatever the writer may suppose, he is absolutely unqualified to receive the Eucharist much less to "officiate" at the Mass. In the event that "pastor Alexis Romero Valera" is likewise not a priest and not a Catholic, the same applies to him. Likewise, only a priest should be delivering remarks at the funeral and those remarks should be limited to the hope of those gathered for the Mass that the deceased might someday be admitted to heaven with no assumptions as to that outcome (Pelagianism).

As to Mahmoud Ahmanutjob, he has no role to play whatsoever despite his insolent prediction that the late Venezuelan dictator, among others, will accompany Christ back to earth. Let Ahmanutjob kiss his own coffin.

33 posted on 03/08/2013 11:05:43 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: Fast Moving Angel
God works in mysterious ways ...

Indeed, since the leaders are not denying and are even affirming their Faith, let's hope it tempers their actions, limits the damage of their Marxist economic views, and cools their class-hatred.

34 posted on 03/08/2013 11:16:12 PM PST by PGR88
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Before turning atheist and communist, Josef Stalin was Russian Orthodox and a seminarian in that Church. It would not be surprising if a seminarian had been an altar boy in youth. Stalin was NEVER a Catholic, although the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church are quite close as to sacraments but still separated in several important ways.

I have heard that Hitler was a Catholic altar boy in his youth. He certainly did not die as a public adherent to Catholicism. His life suggests that his access to heaven was no better than Stalin's and for largely similar reasons of mass murder. Hitler also added to a mountain of crimes and sins, death by suicide, putting a gun in his mouth and blowing his brains out.

We Catholics believe that if a person with however vile a track record accepts a grace of final repentance, makes an act of perfect contrition (not out of fear of hell but for simply offending God and thus rejecting His love), then his sins may be forgiven by God. Many of Hitler's public sins were of a sort in which one such sin would excommunicate him latae sententiae. He did not have a lot of time between pulling the trigger and death and he would have been distracted by the pain. God certainly knows as does Hitler.

35 posted on 03/08/2013 11:21:42 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: daniel1212

It is widely known based on history,that death or near death changes many people to believers in the universal God and to seeking the means/path to an eternal existence with God which they seemingly abhorred while breathing in this world. How God deals with such people is God’s choosing.


36 posted on 03/08/2013 11:32:41 PM PST by noinfringers2
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To: daniel1212

He went for the light and that familar smell of sulfur. Chavez died in the warm embrace of Satan’s colon.


37 posted on 03/08/2013 11:34:28 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (STERILIZE OBAMA VOTERS)
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To: daniel1212

Wow, that is insane.

He isn’t going to heaven


38 posted on 03/08/2013 11:37:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: daniel1212

Nothing convinces me that, if he had recovered, he would have changed the direction of his life or the nature of his regime.

Only God knows, of course.

I’m sure facing death has a way of focusing your attention on the transcendental. But I don’t see any evidence that he ever thought he was wrong about anything.


39 posted on 03/08/2013 11:49:24 PM PST by marron
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To: Rome2000

What, don’t you wear tracksuits to funerals ? BTW, is that one of Saddam’s progeny (the new Venezuelan dictator, that is) ?


40 posted on 03/08/2013 11:51:11 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: daniel1212

If Chavez truly had faith in Christ in his heart when he died, then IMHO he was saved. But I SERIOUSLY doubt it.


41 posted on 03/08/2013 11:53:30 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: daniel1212

> “clinging to Christ.”

And the two billion dollars he stole.


42 posted on 03/09/2013 1:01:31 AM PST by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery)
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To: daniel1212

Is it me, or does Nicholas Madura look like a pinatta?


43 posted on 03/09/2013 1:38:58 AM PST by healy61
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To: svcw

I believe in deathbed confessions and forgiveness as well. However, we can’t overlook the fact that it is the Holy Spirit who draws men (mankind) to Christ, and unless He convicts us of our sins - then I’m not sure that just saying you’re sorry to God on your deathbed will suffice.


44 posted on 03/09/2013 2:04:12 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: Rabin

Who is satin?


45 posted on 03/09/2013 2:05:06 AM PST by Catsrus
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To: livius

Everything in Caracas years ago was all about BOLIVAR.....BOLIVAR this....BOLIVAR that.....I wonder if Chavez has replaced “all things Bolivar”?


46 posted on 03/09/2013 2:20:04 AM PST by Ann Archy (ABORTION........the HUMAN sacrifice to the god of CONVENIENCE.)
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To: right way right

LOL. thanks for the early morning chuckle. :)


47 posted on 03/09/2013 2:42:57 AM PST by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: BlackElk

and also there was that charmer Il Duce, who received a Catholic funeral and burial


48 posted on 03/09/2013 3:39:15 AM PST by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: livius; Anitius Severinus Boethius
You are both right*, of course, but there will be lots of folks who will dispute the Bibles teaching on this.

Hugo may smell a bit like smoke:

1 Corinthians 3:10-15

10 By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it.
But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work.

14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward.
15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

Jude 17:23
17 But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18 They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.

20 But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.

22 Be merciful to those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.


* Parable of the Vineyard.

49 posted on 03/09/2013 3:49:22 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: svcw
i beleive in death bed confessions and forgiveness, and it is a good thing I have no say in God’s Mercy.

Yes, Cutie.

For many of us would fall into the Sons of Thunder camp...

50 posted on 03/09/2013 3:50:59 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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