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Rand Paul and the Rest of You Damn Conservatives Need to Get Off John McCain's Lawn!
Townhall,com ^ | March 9, 2013 | John Hawkins

Posted on 03/09/2013 1:12:13 AM PST by Kaslin

I asked the president, can you kill an American on American soil, it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding, an unequivocal, “No.” The president’s response? He hasn’t killed anyone yet. -- Rand Paul

I do not believe that question deserves an answer. -- Lindsey Graham

Mr. Holder’s letter answers Mr. Rand’s question, “Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill Americans not engaged in combat on U.S. soil. The answer to that question is 'no.’”-- Jay Carney

I don’t think that what happened yesterday is helpful to the American people. -- John McCain

Poor, poor John McCain and Lindsey Graham. Here they were discussing new tax hikes and amnesty with Barack Obama over a sumptuous dinner and that rakish scamp Rand Paul made it impossible for them to enjoy the fine cuisine.

It was bad enough that he was picking a public fight with Barack Obama, but that scalawag actually confronted Obama over a constitutional issue! Didn't he understand that just isn't done in Washington?

Worse yet, Rand Paul won and he WON BIG! He made Obama look bad, got Democratic Senator Ron Wyden to join in on his filibuster, and he thrilled the conservative base in the process. Obviously, exciting conservatives is a terrible idea because John McCain didn't take a single stand that electrified conservatives in his entire presidential campaign and look how well that turned out!

As a result of this whole fiasco, the Obama Administration is now admitting that it doesn’t have the right to use a drone to kill American citizens on American soil. Is that really the road Republicans want to go down? High profile confrontations with the Democrats on conservative issues directly relating to the Constitution that can be turned into big political winners?

That's certainly not the formula George W. Bush used in his second term. John McCain and Mitt Romney didn't go that way either. No, they stuck to a tried and true formula. They showed their bipartisan spirit by being tougher on other Republicans than their Democrat opponents. When they did disagree with their opponents, they used lots of forgettable boiler plate language to make sure it didn't stick in anybody's mind. No sir, they didn't go in for any of these flashy attention-grabbing tactics like marathon filibusters.

Moreover, doesn't Rand Paul understand that the Republican Party's consensus strategy is to stay perpetually on defense? The Democrats attack and we spend all our time explaining that we're not horrible people. If a Republican in D.C. does fire back, we have to make sure that it's so boring that no one even remembers what was said five minutes later. After all, effective criticism gets the attention of the liberals in the press and they might say mean things about us. If it really scores points, Rachel Maddow might even call you a racist and David Frum might write that people like you are ruining the Republican Party. Are we really going to win that way?

Of course, not! Ideally, we'd just retreat on every issue, but these doggone conservatives who vote Republicans into office keep demanding that the politicians they send to D.C. actually represent their values and interests. How unreasonable can you get? Everybody knows the way that Republicans win is by convincing everyone that they're just like the Democrats, but not quite as a bad. Then when the Democrats screw up badly enough, people will realize that we're the lesser of two evils and then we'll get into office and prove it!

Granted, there are other establishment approved tactics we can pursue: Like talking tough about how we're not ever going to give in on principles and then folding or making lots of noise about how horrible Obama's cabinet nominees are before we allow them to be confirmed. It's also perfectly acceptable for Republican politicians to whine that Democrats aren't being fair, call for more bipartisanship, or to promise to do the right thing later on in exchange for doing more of the wrong thing now.

Really, that's the worst thing about Rand Paul's irresponsible little stunt. Twitter and Facebook were going wild, people were tuning into C-SPAN for hours at a time to watch, Libertarians were saying nice things about a Republican, and conservatives across the country loved it. When you create that kind of energy and on top of it, you WIN, it can only lead to demands for more of the same.

Is that really a road we want to go down? Actually trying to succeed? After all, trying to win is hard! The liberal mainstream media will criticize you if you're effective. The comfortable same old, same old has to change. You can't keep relying on the same well connected consultants, leaders, and old faces that keep failing and you have to turn to new voices. Isn't it better to be thought of as reasonable, moderate fellows who lose honorably while the country slides into oblivion than it is to actually strive for victory? John McCain and Lindsey Graham think so and it's EXACTLY that kind of approach that has been causing the Republican Party to lose.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: Kentucky; US: South Carolina; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: arizona; ericholder; filibuster; johnmccain; kentucky; lindseygraham; randpaul; randsconcerntrolls; southcarolina; thekycandidate; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/09/2013 1:12:14 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

2 posted on 03/09/2013 1:14:24 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

The conservatives can get off McCain’s lawn only when Motorhead moves next door to make his lawn die.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 1:50:01 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin

McStain needs to dry up and blow away.
He does nothing but accelerate the demise of America.

I thank GOD every day that I was able to escape the USSA.


4 posted on 03/09/2013 1:50:46 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Olog-hai

> I asked the president, can you kill an American on American soil, it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding, an unequivocal, “No.” The president’s response? He hasn’t killed anyone yet. — Rand Paul

What he meant was: 1) that not that he has been caught at, 2) not by his hands but...he may have ordered an assassination from time to time (usually just those types that could prove he was gay or how radical he really was when he was younger), and 3) I will have the hit team pick them up off their feet so that they are not touching U.S. when they kill them....: )


5 posted on 03/09/2013 1:57:25 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

> I asked the president, can you kill an American on American soil, it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding, an unequivocal, “No.” The president’s response? He hasn’t killed anyone yet. — Rand Paul

What he meant was: 1) that not that he has been caught at, 2) not by his hands but...he may have ordered an assassination from time to time (usually just those types that could prove he was gay or how radical he really was when he was younger), and 3) I will have the hit team pick them up off their feet so that they are not touching U.S. soil when they kill them....: )


6 posted on 03/09/2013 1:58:16 AM PST by jsanders2001
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To: Olog-hai

The old coots that are in bed with the rats are feeling the heat, turn it up until we scortch thier a##es, traitors!


7 posted on 03/09/2013 2:52:09 AM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: Kaslin

Poor McCain trying to have a nice dinner with Obama while Rand Paul is causing a commotion in the Senate. How rude! It must have been such an embarrassment for the champagne sipping establishment.


8 posted on 03/09/2013 2:56:20 AM PST by BinaryBoy (Socialism is slavery)
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Rand Paul is in a very, very powerful position. If he plays his cards wisely, 2016 is his.


9 posted on 03/09/2013 3:55:45 AM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Gene Eric
Right now, with Palin on the sidelines, Rand Paul is the ONLY choice for me.
10 posted on 03/09/2013 4:20:18 AM PST by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: Gene Eric

Not if the media finds something to continually mock him about.


11 posted on 03/09/2013 4:20:56 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Gene Eric
“Rand Paul won and he WON BIG! He made Obama look bad,”....Paul only called attention to Obama, Obama did it on his own (He “built that”).

McCain and Graham are going to pay a price for their rant on Paul as the American people have known/seen all along what Rhino's those two are. When the little guys challenge the “good ole boys”, the old boys loose their status. Again, Paul didn't do that, he only helped them get attention.

Could it be that McCain came back from his “dinner”, partially under the influence of alcohol, thus causing his “motor mouth”?

12 posted on 03/09/2013 4:25:25 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: AlexW

Just curious as to where you went that is any less socialist than America?


13 posted on 03/09/2013 4:35:16 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

Not sure what is meant by less socialist but I enjoy my life as a part time resident here in Colombia. Im an American and will NEVER give that up. I can be counted on to defend my country/constitution.

Have to wait on Paul. He is saying a lot of the right things but then so did his crazy daddy. Plus he has the same followers.

At this point Id say he has no chance at all of becoming the nom.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 4:43:11 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Tupelo

Rand is a better choice than Palin. Palin is damaged goods in the minds of the public.


15 posted on 03/09/2013 4:43:55 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: Olog-hai

This made my day. One of the greatest quotes in history.

“We’re the kind of band, if we moved in next door to you, your lawn would die.”

- Lemmy Kilmister


16 posted on 03/09/2013 4:44:15 AM PST by Yudan (Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying.)
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To: rrrod

You called America the USSA and said you had escaped. I interpreted that as escaping socialism. I apologize if I misinterpreted. Don’t know a whole lot about Colombia, but as bad as our problems are, I don’t know any first world countries that are any better.


17 posted on 03/09/2013 4:47:21 AM PST by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

you are confusing me with another post..but I agree with ya!


18 posted on 03/09/2013 4:49:58 AM PST by rrrod (at home in Medellin Colombia)
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To: Kaslin

The only reason that pile of pus is still alive is because even God doesn’t want to have to deal with him.


19 posted on 03/09/2013 4:50:33 AM PST by McGavin999
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To: Kaslin

In a fit of anger John McCain got shot down and then captured.

He should learn to control his temper


20 posted on 03/09/2013 4:52:14 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Kaslin

I just sent this article to McCain and Graham via Twitter. I want them to know how unpopular they are with the base.


21 posted on 03/09/2013 4:52:40 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: csmusaret

Graham and MCCains FB pages are literally thousands upon thousands of negative comments


22 posted on 03/09/2013 5:02:16 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for the posting. I don’t know where Townhall is going with this. Seems like the Townhall editors asked John Hawkins to do a 1000 words on it and so he did. When Limbaugh noted McCain and Lindsey’s reaction to this he suggested that both were hissyfitted because they were upstaged from their collaboration photo op with Obama by Rand Paul.

Why Rand’s rant occured at the time of the Vichy dinner as Rand Paul explained was because of the machinations of Reid and senate rules which allowed for it to happen. Personally I’m glad Rand did because the collaboration dinner was giving credulace to the idea that Obama was and had been seeking bipartisan solutions to the problems he created
and would play well with the LIV’s as Limbaugh calls them as the moderating socialist media ground it out. Because Obama is not interested in bipartisan approaches he wants to destroy opposition to his policies.

This has yet to sink into the heads of the GOPES(GOP Elite Snobs)in the senate.


23 posted on 03/09/2013 5:06:33 AM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: csmusaret

I have never criticized McCain and Graham, but this time they were wrong


24 posted on 03/09/2013 5:08:14 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin; P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson
Mr. Holder’s letter answers Mr. Rand’s question, “Does the president have the authority to use a weaponized drone to kill Americans not engaged in combat on U.S. soil. The answer to that question is 'no.’”-- Jay Carney

Holder's answer proves that Rand Paul lost that round. Paul didn't gain one single bit of ground other than some additional name recognition in the media.

McCain and Graham, on the other hand, attacked one of their own, they broke ranks, they stepped in where they didn't need to step in.

The "Snickers Filibuster" -- so named because Paul nourished himself with candy bars during the grueling 13 hours of mind-boggling, torturous, personal deprivation -- will go down in history alongside weekend little league tournaments, hours long golf outings, and entire days at the beach or amusement park as an example of personal hardship and durability of the human spirit.

Paul: can you kill Americans on American soil?
Obama: We'll kill 'em if we decide they're involved in combat.

Call me absolutely, totally unimpressed.

25 posted on 03/09/2013 5:08:51 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin

Speaking of criticism: Rand Paul spoke for 13 hours and never called anyone a name. McCain spoke for 3 minutes and called him several.


26 posted on 03/09/2013 5:12:52 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: Kaslin
I asked the president, can you kill an American on American soil, it should have been an easy answer. It’s an easy question. It should have been a resounding, an unequivocal, “No.”

I disagree with the Senator.

If anyone wages war on Americans on American soil, perhaps via an attack such as Beslan or Mumbai, then it is entirely appropriate and necessary for the President to reply with military force using the laws of war as the ROE.

It makes not one particle of difference whether those attacking are Americans or Guyanese.

Just as it would have been proper and necessary, given the opportunity, for GWB to authorize the shooting down of Flight 93 on 9/11 before it killed more people on the ground. Even if the hijackers as well as the hostages were Americans.

Snipers routinely and properly take out hostage takers. Nobody asks to see proof of citizenship before firing. Nor should they. It's not relevant.

The attorney general should not have answered, "No." He should have answered with a calm and reasoned explanation of the circumstances under which it is appropriate for the President to authorize use of lethal force, even by the military, against American citizens on American soil. And of course the limitations of that authority.

What is disturbing is that he doesn't seem to recognize there are limitations other than his own whim.

Do I trust our present Leader to use this power wisely? Nope. But elections have consequences. I hope those freepers who insisted we should all stay home on Election Day because the alternative was insufficiently conservative are proud.

What is truly weird is the present obsession over drone strikes, with the implication that using the same weapon in the same way to kill the same people would be perfectly fine if the weapon were mounted on a helicopter, a piloted plane or a ground vehicle.

27 posted on 03/09/2013 5:19:57 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: wolfman23601

She is not “damaged goods” in my mind.
Paul is my second choice. And a distant second.


28 posted on 03/09/2013 5:29:24 AM PST by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: csmusaret

If we can get his daddy’s base in now we can turn all kinds of seats all over the US red before 2012.


29 posted on 03/09/2013 5:35:03 AM PST by txhurl
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To: txhurl

Or 2014


30 posted on 03/09/2013 5:50:37 AM PST by csmusaret (I will give Obama credit for one thing- he is living proof that familiarity breeds contempt.)
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To: xzins
McCain and Graham, on the other hand, attacked one of their own, they broke ranks, they stepped in where they didn't need to step in.

Is that what they call "reaching across the aisle"?

31 posted on 03/09/2013 6:01:00 AM PST by VRW Conspirator (Sometimes it takes calamity to lead to serenity - FReeper RacerX1128)
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To: Kaslin

Two words-

Primary
McCain


32 posted on 03/09/2013 6:03:46 AM PST by bigbob
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To: wolfman23601

Paul’s success at broad appeal with his well-articulated filibuster
has just happened! I promise you there are hundreds of
journolisters doing oppo research and in Kentucky going
through the trash this weekend.

They will demonize and ridicule him swiftly,following
the formula that worked so well with Mrs.Palin.


33 posted on 03/09/2013 6:05:14 AM PST by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: Kaslin

Each day that goes by, I regret voting for McCain in 2008 more and more. I understand that he lost but that doesn’t negate the fact that I voted for him. I really voted for Sarah Palin becuse before he picked her I was going to sit the election out. But never the less, the fact is that I did vote for McCain. And he has caused me to regret it ever since.


34 posted on 03/09/2013 6:13:25 AM PST by sport
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To: Kaslin

The republicans are just as bad as the democrats. There needs to be a major flushing out of the republican party with new blood like Rand Paul filling the void.

We’ve had enough of the republican’s failed leadership - it’s time for a REAL change.


35 posted on 03/09/2013 6:31:43 AM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Mr. Obama.)
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To: Kaslin

Did Senator McCain call his fellow Republican Senators wackos?

Name one time he has ever called any democrat a wacko.

What a disgrace!


36 posted on 03/09/2013 6:35:04 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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To: VRW Conspirator
McCain and Graham, on the other hand, attacked one of their own, they broke ranks, they stepped in where they didn't need to step in. Is that what they call "reaching across the aisle"?

Lol!

That's what passes for it with these so-called conservative republicans.

37 posted on 03/09/2013 6:36:18 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Kaslin
Funny title and a very enjoyable read.

John Hawkins nails it and it's good to see others on all sides of the political spectrum respond to a strong Constitutional stand.

I have to admit, these days I've come to hate the GOPe with a white hot passion for what they have done and allowed to happen.

Watching their governors cave to obamacare one by one is just more proof of what they are and I am not.

38 posted on 03/09/2013 6:38:52 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: Kaslin
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39 posted on 03/09/2013 6:44:47 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: reagan_fanatic

That arrogant pos occupant wants to make it a one party system by eliminating the GOP. Are you going to help him achieve this goal, because your third party has no chance?


40 posted on 03/09/2013 6:47:25 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Gene Eric

I could vote for Rand Paul if he decides to run in 2016. At least in the primary


41 posted on 03/09/2013 6:49:51 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

McCain is the like the family patriarch of a rich family who has been hoarding the family’s riches from generations of accumulations, keeping them from going to the rightful inheritors, and reserving them for his favorite child (Graham), the spoiled, little brat, who’s never done anything meaningful other than follow daddy’s orders. The rest of the Republican Party represent the rest of the family, expected to toe the line and not make waves if they want to continue to get their piddly monthly subsistence, or they’ll be kicked out of the family.


42 posted on 03/09/2013 6:54:23 AM PST by Real Cynic No More
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To: mosesdapoet

This seems to be the entire article. I can not find a longer version of it


43 posted on 03/09/2013 6:57:11 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin; All

I’m not leaving before I put a burning paper bag of dog poop on his front porch!!!

Hehehe, I’ll show him!!!

Who’s going to ring the doorbell???


44 posted on 03/09/2013 7:01:54 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Olog-hai

I’d like to have my dog take one giant, stinking ‘0bama’ on McLame’s lawn, and then have Light in the Loafers Lindsey step in it!


45 posted on 03/09/2013 7:04:04 AM PST by The Sons of Liberty (It's not "GUN CONTROL"! It's "PEOPLE CONTROL"!)
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To: Sherman Logan
Did you even watch the filibuster? All of your points were covered. You are allowed to know what you are talking about.
46 posted on 03/09/2013 7:09:02 AM PST by Tripoli
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To: csmusaret

That in itself is the prime illustration of who is farther left, as well as who has the tendency to use Alinskyite tactics.


47 posted on 03/09/2013 9:59:38 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Kaslin

Much ado about nothing... the Progressives have not suitcase-NUKED an America City ...

((( YET! )))... i.e. by foreign or domestic operatives.. or both..
They are not ready YET, but may be soon..
Stampeding Sheep is WHAT THEY DO..


48 posted on 03/09/2013 10:42:12 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Kaslin

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Rand Paul and the Rest of You Damn Conservatives Need to Get Off John McCain’s Lawn!, Kaslin wrote:
This seems to be the entire article. I can not find a longer version of it

It was edited before you got it.


49 posted on 03/09/2013 12:29:04 PM PST by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: Kaslin
I can't think of a better place for McCain and Graham to be when the young senators were on the floor of the senate, than to be dining with Obama!

Couldn't have planned it better! Perfect storm.

BTW, nobody cares what McCain and Graham think! They have had a hand in the mess we're in...a heavy hand!

50 posted on 03/09/2013 12:38:31 PM PST by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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