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Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
birtherreport.com/You Tube ^ | March 9, 2013 | BirtherReportDotCom

Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter

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To: MamaTexan

It is not part of the US Constitution.


151 posted on 03/09/2013 9:15:28 AM PST by Perdogg (Sen Ted Cruz is my adoptive Senator, Rand Paul for President in 2016)
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To: GBA

Let me see if I understand. John McCain, a child of two U.S. citizens, born in Panama because his father was an admiral in the U.S. Navy and there due to orders, would not be eligible to be president?


152 posted on 03/09/2013 9:15:37 AM PST by suthener
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

LOL You’re working this thing aren’t you?


153 posted on 03/09/2013 9:15:56 AM PST by Dysart
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To: Marie

John McCain was born in what was a U.S. unincorporated territory. His citizenship derives from his parents, both U.S. citizens, and from the statutory U.S. citizenship granted by Congress. He is not, however, a Natural born Citizen and has never been eligible to be President.


154 posted on 03/09/2013 9:16:42 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: so_real

Precisely!


155 posted on 03/09/2013 9:16:54 AM PST by X-spurt (Republic of Texas, Come and Take It!)
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To: Longbow1969

Sorry Longbow, you’re mistaken.


156 posted on 03/09/2013 9:17:27 AM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: Road Glide

“Reality”
Ever heard of it?

Look, this entire NBC thing is not the cornerstone of America.
George Washington was not a NBC a she was born in Popes Creek which was at the time a British holding.

How the **** could he be a naturalized citizen when the country it self had yet to be born?


157 posted on 03/09/2013 9:17:55 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HawkHogan

The closest definition we have to the founders was the Naturalization Act of 1790 which stated that “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens”. (Act to establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, 1st Congress, 2nd session, March 26, 1790, 1 Stat.L. 103 at 104, 2 Laws of the U.S., ed. Bioren & Duane (1815) 82 at 83.)

It has been interpreted and reinterpreted by various laws and court decisions ever since, with people on various sides of the issues clinging to whatever interpretation that suits their point. This one is the closest to the founders as it was in part written by Madison and other founders who were in congress at the time.

If FReepers can’t even agree on the interpretation of this issue, we shouldn’t expect any legal traction out of it.


158 posted on 03/09/2013 9:17:55 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
This is like a circular firing squad. Just don't shoot me.

1. Unless and until Obama submits to unbiased DNA testing we will never know who the actual father was. The VERY best BET at this time is Frank Marshall Davis,...but without definitive proof we're all just guessing.

2. If Marshall was his real father then he is a Natural Born Citizen under anyone's interpretation of any statute.

3. If he actually is a Natural Born citizen then he was and is eligible to be POTUS

4. The question then becomes did this marxist fraud claim that he was a 'foreign' student to gain admission to U.S. colleges and to receive preferential treatment, grants, and tuition plus room and board allowances he WAS NOT ENTITLED TO!??????? I have no idea on the statute of limitations on fraud and mail fraud.

5. If he was the actual son of Barack Obama Senior then he his NOT eligible to be POTUS under any scenario. Period.

159 posted on 03/09/2013 9:17:59 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Why is Ted Cruz the only hope?


160 posted on 03/09/2013 9:18:18 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: mylife
Fox has become ridiculous.

Just change the "ah" to an "uh."
161 posted on 03/09/2013 9:18:24 AM PST by aruanan
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To: alstewartfan

Rand is a decent and good quirky fellow, but you are correct.

Cruz is focused and dangerous.


162 posted on 03/09/2013 9:19:13 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Because breach of the law is not binding precedent. True, over the course of time, a law can be so completely ignored that it has no practical effect. For example, it is against the law to play cards on Sunday in Alabama. Good luck getting that one enforced. But it is still valid law.

And that’s the point. “Rule of law” means we treat everyone equally under the law and don’t make exceptions except by legal means (amending the Constitution, for example). I am not taking a position on the Cruz eligibility question. What I am saying is it delegitimizes all our lofty claims to be upset over Obama’s flagrant disregard of the law we say we cherish, if we turn around ourselves and disregard that same law for one of our own. That is devolving to a nation of men, not laws, and such lawlessness is the taproot of tyranny.


163 posted on 03/09/2013 9:19:16 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Road Glide
If our side is as willing to toss out the requirements of the Constitution, just so that our guy (who isn’t any more “qualified” than their guy was) can get in because we like him — what does that do for our argument as desiring to “protect the Constitution”?

THANK YOU!... and well said!

164 posted on 03/09/2013 9:19:22 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Let’s assume that we are in a Constitutional crisis over the Punk’s eligibility. Will the crisis deepen if Cruz, who was born to an American citizen, is elected? Positively not. If Americans elect him, I’ll be very proud to call him President. Bob


165 posted on 03/09/2013 9:19:25 AM PST by alstewartfan ("You looked like a still From Cecil B DeMille When I saw you Waiting at my door." Al Stewart)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Yeah, but Canada is sort of America-Lite, except for Quebec.


166 posted on 03/09/2013 9:19:44 AM PST by aruanan
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“Fox is in bed with someone, who is not on that list.”

Karl Rove.


167 posted on 03/09/2013 9:20:11 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Dysart

Amen Brother. Amen.


168 posted on 03/09/2013 9:20:56 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
"If Obama was not held to these standards, why do you and Fox want to crucify Cruz?"

Because we aren't crooked Democrats. The law is the law. I don't even know if this is all accurate, I'm too lazy to go look up the birth date and read the laws definition of "natural born" at that time. If he gets nominated to run for President, I'll take the time and do the homework. But, if he doesn't fit the description, then he is not eligible. Pretty simple.

169 posted on 03/09/2013 9:21:24 AM PST by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: mylife

Sheesh! Read the Constitution! George Washington was grandfathered in!


170 posted on 03/09/2013 9:21:48 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: yldstrk; mylife

If his mother was a citizen and his father was a citizen, then he is a natural born citizen. We conservatives have played this game with citizenship logic so much that this should be obvious. Instead, we end up with the absurd.

I can’t find his father’s name, but it appears the dad came to the US from Cuba in 1957. Cruz was born in 1970, so that gave the dad 13 years to gain US citizenship. His mother was born an American.

Cruz was born in Alberta Canada, and as far as I can tell, unless his parents renounced their US citizenship while there, then Ted Cruz is a natural born US citizen.


171 posted on 03/09/2013 9:21:48 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: mylife

By the way I’m a Natural Born Citizen and if you elect me POTUS I’ll put Obama, Biden, his entire cabinet and czars, and Pelosi and reid in federal prison. So vote for me!


172 posted on 03/09/2013 9:24:04 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

How many otherwise qualified children of people in the military or in missionary service would be ineligible for the Presidency?


173 posted on 03/09/2013 9:24:11 AM PST by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: suthener
Let me see if I understand. John McCain, a child of two U.S. citizens, born in Panama because his father was an admiral in the U.S. Navy and there due to orders, would not be eligible to be president?

If he were born on base, then some people feel that yes, he would be a natural born citizen.

If he were born elsewhere, then he would be a citizen, not a natural born citizen.

However, if we use the currently popular standard for natural born citizenship, then McCain would have also been a natural born citizen of Panama, just as many say an anchor baby or a child born here to illegal aliens is also a natural born citizen.

These days? As they used to say in the 70s while slowly exhaling, "It's whatever you want it to be, man. Whatever you want it to be." Onward through the fog!

174 posted on 03/09/2013 9:25:08 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: bmwcyle

He isn’t. But Sarah Palin is though.


175 posted on 03/09/2013 9:27:02 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: Doc Savage

Is that you Ron Ely?


176 posted on 03/09/2013 9:27:02 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: suthener
Let me see if I understand. John McCain...would not be eligible to be president?

Not to mention unfit.

177 posted on 03/09/2013 9:27:25 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Marie

I recall when my sis was born in Ramstein in the early 60’s and we learned in school that she was eligible to be P. It was a very big deal back then.


178 posted on 03/09/2013 9:27:31 AM PST by winodog
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To: jmcenanly

If both parents are US citizens (US passport holders only, not dual citizens) then the child is a natural born US citizen regardless of where the child was born. McCain is a NBC.


180 posted on 03/09/2013 9:28:02 AM PST by jpsb
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181 posted on 03/09/2013 9:28:15 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Cold Case Posse Supporter.


182 posted on 03/09/2013 9:28:23 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: xzins

Thank you Chaplain. I was trying to bring a little levity to this inane conversation by saying C-Section babies weren’t “natural born”. You however, have managed to inject a little sober truth to the discussion that probably wont do anything to those who don’t want their closed minds to be confused with facts. I think it is time for the Cadillac Open on TV. Have a good day.


183 posted on 03/09/2013 9:28:47 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: DoctorBulldog

LOL!!!


184 posted on 03/09/2013 9:28:50 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: winodog

I should have mentioned I learned that in on base school in Ramstein, not a regular school


185 posted on 03/09/2013 9:30:45 AM PST by winodog
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To: Road Glide

There is no such paperwork that refers to a born citizen becoming a “native born citizen.” Why? Because there is NO distinction between a born citizen and a “NBC”. There only born citizens and naturalized citizens.


186 posted on 03/09/2013 9:31:27 AM PST by Lou Budvis
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To: Doc Savage

It continues to amaze me that both parties have such difficulty in finding a single candidate born in the U.S.A. of parents who are also citizens!

Sheesh! I figure over 90 percent of Americans fit that bill. And, the parties can’t find enough people from that pool to run for Prez???

No wonder our government is so screwed up; they’re all a bunch of foreigners, LOL!

Cheers!


187 posted on 03/09/2013 9:31:54 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: GBA

You do not have to be born in the US to be a NBC.

You simply have to be born without citizenship to any other country except the US.

The NBC requirement to be president was manly done as a way to prevent war like the wars that had taken place in Europe for centuries as the ruler of one country laid clam to another country simply because of their “birth right”.

No president of this country could ever make the claim to another country as his “birth right”.


188 posted on 03/09/2013 9:31:56 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

That’s incorrect. The following text is from The State Department’s Foreign Affairs Manual.

7 FAM 1113 NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEANING OF “IN THE UNITED STATES”

c. Birth on U.S. Military Base Outside of the United States or Birth on U.S. Embassy or Consulate Premises Abroad:

(1) Despite widespread popular belief, U.S. military installations abroad and U.S. diplomatic facilities are not part of the United States within the meaning of the 14th Amendment. A child born on the premises of such a facility is not subject to U.S. jurisdiction and does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of birth.”


189 posted on 03/09/2013 9:32:02 AM PST by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: Doc Savage

You have my vote LOL


190 posted on 03/09/2013 9:32:05 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Drew68; Cold Case Posse Supporter; LucyT; null and void; Flotsam_Jetsome

“If he wants to run for President, the Senate will extend to him the same courtesy they did McCain and pass a resolution declaring him eligible.”

The Senate explicitly deemed McCain eligible based on:

1. having TWO US citizen parents and
2. on his father being US military on active duty and
3. the Panama Canal being pseudo-US territory.

None of these three distinguishing facts regarding McCain apply to Cruz.

Whether Democrats object to Cruz’s eligibility will depend on whether Barry is found to have been born in Kenya sometime before the 2016 election.

If proved to have been born in Kenya, Barry would have similar eligibility status as Cruz: born on foreign soil having only one US citizen parent, the mother, although Cruz’s mom met the residence prior to birth requirement to pass US citizenship, while SADO did not.

Barry’s legal defense team and the Congressional Research Offiece have already cited the case Marguet-Pillado in the 9th Circus to justify NBC status for any person having a mere biological tie to a US citizen at birth, so Cruz supporters in the GOP would be expected to embrace this dubious legal lower court precedent as well:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2857598/posts

In support of the opinion in US v Marguet-Pillado, 9th Cir. 2011, Judge Gwin, writing for the majority in his “III Analysis” dicta, states: “No one disputes that Marguet-Pillado’s requested instruction was ‘an accurate statement of the law,’ in that it correctly stated the two circumstances in which an individual born in 1968 is a natural-born United States citizen: (1) that the person was born in the United States or (2) born outside the United States to a biologically-related United States citizen parent who met certain residency requirements.” On March 1, Sheriff Arpaio’s Posse re-opened the possibility that Obama was born in Kenya by announcing that it had found probable cause to believe that Obama’s long form birth certificate was forged, newspaper birth announcements were unreliable, and that there was now no proof that Obama was born in the USA. A week earlier, with full knowledge of what the Arpaio Posse’s findings would be, “constitutional scholar” Obama’s legal team suddenly started citing the Marguet-Pillado case in multiple PA and GA ballot eligibility state appeals. The following language is included by Obama’s lawyers in the PA and GA MTD filings: “President Obama was a United States citizen from the moment of his birth inHawaii. Since he held citizenship from birth, all Constitutional qualifications have beenmet. Ankeny v. Governor of State of Indiana, 916 N.E.2d 678 (Ind. App., 2009); see,United States v. Marguet-Pillado , 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9thCir., 2011). There is no basis to question the President’s citizenship or qualifications to hold office.” www.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2011/08/.../10-50041.pdf


191 posted on 03/09/2013 9:32:10 AM PST by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

Like I said in my earlier post. Please point to case law or the writings of the Founding Fathers that support your definition of Natural Born Citizen.

Please also explain the other Presidents (IE Not including OBama) who failed to live up to your standards of Natural Born Citizen.


192 posted on 03/09/2013 9:32:15 AM PST by HawkHogan
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To: Doc Savage
If Marshall was his real father then he is a Natural Born Citizen under anyone's interpretation of any statute...If he actually is a Natural Born citizen then he was and is eligible to be POTUS

Well, other than the crimes he committed in perpetrating this massive hoax in order to get elected.

193 posted on 03/09/2013 9:32:37 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That is a law that needs fixin.


194 posted on 03/09/2013 9:33:12 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

My question was to make Freepers think. Too many get fixed on one person to save us all. I know better. I have been here a while.


195 posted on 03/09/2013 9:35:21 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: aruanan
Canada is sort of America-Lite, except for Quebec.

Canadians are Americans.

196 posted on 03/09/2013 9:35:33 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: Lou Budvis

LOL! Tell that to every SCOTUS that has mentioned the phrase “Natural Born” in their rulings. They admit that there is such a thing as a Natural Born Citizen, but are reticent to define exactly what it is.

Cheers!


197 posted on 03/09/2013 9:36:06 AM PST by DoctorBulldog (Obama sucks. End of story.)
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To: mylife
Why Target Cruz? Cruz has been a breath of fresh air.

What part of the Constitution states that a person must be a "breath of fresh air" to be eligible for POTUS? Don't get me wrong, but "breath of fresh air" is not the eligibility test.

198 posted on 03/09/2013 9:36:30 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: BuckeyeTexan

That is just unethical.

So If Pa and Ma are in the service of the country and sacrifice comfort and prosperity to serve the country, their offspring are penalized?

That just aint American.
Or at the very least it should not be American.


199 posted on 03/09/2013 9:38:07 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cowboy Bob

I would continue to push Cruz. Let’s see how the Democrats react. If the Democrats set a precedent with Obama, I don’t see why we should undermine Cruz.

Cruz should be used in this manner to shove the Obama is Ineligible FACT way down the liberal throats in the media, we should call them the pejorative “Birthers” for a change!!!


200 posted on 03/09/2013 9:38:26 AM PST by GraceG
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