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Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
birtherreport.com/You Tube ^ | March 9, 2013 | BirtherReportDotCom

Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter

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To: Marie
My husband is a soldier and we were stationed in Germany at the time of my son’s birth. I was told by the US Embassy when we received his “American Citizen Born Abroad” birth certificate that the ONLY thing he couldn’t do was become POTUS.

John McCain was born in Panama to 2 US citizen parents. McCain is a natural born citizen and, as we've seen, quite obviously eligible to be President. Why would your son not be eligible when McCain is? Sounds like the embassy gave you the wrong information.

51 posted on 03/09/2013 8:35:51 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: mylife
Cruz’s father was also a US citizen at the time of his birth.

No, Cruz's father didn't become a citizen until 2005.

http://townhall.com/columnists/mattmackowiak/2012/08/03/how_ted_cruz_did_it/page/full/

52 posted on 03/09/2013 8:36:55 AM PST by MamaTexan (To follow Original Constitutional Intent, one MUST acknowledge the Right of Secession)
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We are splitting hairs and killing our messengers.

This entire thing is mental masturbation.

When the 2nd amendment was penned the intent was clear.
“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”

Yet some folks take the clause about a well regulated militia(the common man and citizen) and twist that into something that was not implied.

I think some of us would disarm the people because they themselves have a lack of resolve and mental clarity.

Do not shoot Ted Cruz.


53 posted on 03/09/2013 8:37:13 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Venturer

-——why ?——

because Senator Cruz doesn’t have urban assault vehicles and drones at his beck and call.

Obama can and will kill those who did him


54 posted on 03/09/2013 8:38:48 AM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

All three of my kids were born overseas. My sons were born in the U.S. Army Hospital at Camp Zama, Japan, and my daughter was born in a British hospital (private insurance, not on the NHS). Since both of their parents are natural born US Citizens, they can hold any office.


55 posted on 03/09/2013 8:39:00 AM PST by Ax
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

“And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.”

What it it comes down to, and what the founders intended was declaration of allegiance.


56 posted on 03/09/2013 8:39:27 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: chaosagent

At this point even an anchor baby could become president.


57 posted on 03/09/2013 8:40:06 AM PST by Zuse
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To: MamaTexan

I stand corrected.

Still, I would vote for Cruz over that POS obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday.


58 posted on 03/09/2013 8:40:57 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Go back to the schoolyard where you belong.


59 posted on 03/09/2013 8:41:09 AM PST by Roccus
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To: EDINVA

I think a constitutional clarification or amendment is needed to cover those circumstances where a person was born to American parents overseas who both were there temporarily and had no plans to be ex-pat. To deny such a person a right to run for president simply because of the temporary locale of the American Citizen birth mother and father really is choking at gnats and swallowing camels.

As for Obama...throw the bum out!


60 posted on 03/09/2013 8:41:47 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: Ax

I agree.


61 posted on 03/09/2013 8:41:53 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Roccus; mylife

Make that...where your argument belongs.


62 posted on 03/09/2013 8:42:49 AM PST by Roccus
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To: Roccus

Snappy rejoinder ol man.
You sure have a wit and wisdom that cannot be denied.


63 posted on 03/09/2013 8:43:16 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Why do you say that? This report says his father did not become a US citizen until 2005:

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/04/15/ted-cruz-texas-answer-to-marco-rubio/


64 posted on 03/09/2013 8:43:20 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Marie
Believe it or not, this is what was taught in PUBLIC schools in the early 1970s. That's what I learned in the fifth grade.

I don't know what they teach now, but it's interesting how suddenly the only candidates are those who bend that standard.

When it comes to civics, "they" may not know how to add, but they sure know how to divide.

65 posted on 03/09/2013 8:43:48 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: yldstrk

I believe the Founders use of the word ‘natural’ was intentional as to covering/requiring location of birth and parentage. Both requirements are subject to USA jurisdiction.


66 posted on 03/09/2013 8:43:58 AM PST by noinfringers2
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Carl Cameron is a real self important jerk sometimes.

He states as if it is a fact that Cruz is ineligible to run for POTUS.

When Sarah Palin first hit the scene a few years ago, he went on a tirade about how unimportant she was. He really tore her apart. Heh, changed his tune when he say he was so wrong.

67 posted on 03/09/2013 8:44:21 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: mdmathis6

The bottom line is that conservatives need to stop sniping at themselves!

Save it for Obama!

Why attack Cruz?


69 posted on 03/09/2013 8:45:16 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mdmathis6
To deny such a person a right to run for president simply because of the temporary locale of the American Citizen birth mother and father really is choking at gnats and swallowing camels.

Who has been denied? Nobody denied McCain. Nobody denied George Romney. And nobody will deny Ted Cruz if he wants to run.

70 posted on 03/09/2013 8:45:23 AM PST by Drew68
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To: yldstrk

“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”

Maybe, maybe not.

I could be wrong, but I think that in a case such as this (child born to American parents on foreign soil) there are certain actions the parents must take in a timely manner in order to establish that the newborn is to be regarded as a “natural born American citizen”.

It may involve going to the nearest American embassy and filling out some paperwork, nothing more.

But again, whether or not the newborn gains full “natural-born” citizenship may not be “automatic”, but rather established by the actions of the parents in a timely manner after the birth.

I welcome correction from others in this forum.

So… the $64 question is — was specific action required by Ted Cruz’ parents required to establish natural-born citizenship after his foreign birth, and (if so), did his parents take such action in a timely manner?

As yet, unknown….


71 posted on 03/09/2013 8:45:40 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Cowboy Bob

I think perhaps, FOX has used a sly back door method to shine the light of day on the issue by criticzing “one of their own”. IF the rats take the bait, then it can finally be turned against their messiah......


72 posted on 03/09/2013 8:47:02 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: Longbow1969

Because McCain was born on base and it was declared US Soil. My son was born in a German hospital.


73 posted on 03/09/2013 8:47:03 AM PST by Marie ("The last time Democrats gloated this hard after a health care victory, they lost 60 House seats.")
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To: mylife

“If Obama was legal then Cruz is legal.”

Problem with your assertion:
Obama isn’t legal.


74 posted on 03/09/2013 8:49:12 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: paterfamilias

Not a legal scholar, but I was a military brat and had a number of friends born overseas to both American parents. At the time, we all understood they were ineligible for presidency. That is how we were taught the rules on eligibility.

Now, I was born in the U.S. to an American citizen (over 25, with family ties predating the Revolution) and a legal U.S. resident (but not yet citizen), and I had never heard I was ineligible until the last few years. (Funny, because my mother’s country won’t give me citizenship.)


75 posted on 03/09/2013 8:50:03 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Too many people have somehow gotten it into their heads the laws of the US apply to every other country, and they don’t.

IIRC the US is one of the few if not the only country in the world that makes you a citizen simply by being born in the country.

Just like some countries don’t recognize a woman as having the right to pass citizenship to the child only the father does. In that case the mother not being an American citizen would make no difference since by the laws of her country she couldn’t pass citizenship to the child.

So saying a person is or isn’t a NBC isn’t as open and closed as everyone thinks it is.

It depends on the laws of the other country as to whether or not the child is a citizen of the country.

His father being from Cuba was more than likely stateless at the time so he couldn’t pass Cuban citizenship.

If Canada doesn’t make you a citizen simply by being born in the country, then his citizenship would fall to his mother only.


76 posted on 03/09/2013 8:51:00 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: Perdogg

“If you were to have asked people 7 years ago who de Vattel was, only about 0.5% of people might be able to tell you, ...”

Yes, and a sorry reflection of our times that is. I’d bet that all 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention knew exactly who deVattel was, had studied his works, and had a singular understanding of the term that’s meaning is in dispute today.

IMO, SCOTUS has let the country down by not interpreting the Framers’ meaning and intent once and for all. And, if that interpretation doesn’t comport with the sense of the nation today, let’s amend the Constitution to eliminate the words ‘natural born’ from Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5. End of dispute.


77 posted on 03/09/2013 8:51:07 AM PST by EDINVA
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To: Road Glide

Precedent has been set.

Why attack our own?


78 posted on 03/09/2013 8:51:40 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: jersey117

But the hypothetical should be asked - since Cruz has said that he was born in Canada, what would happen if he all of a sudden the year before deciding to run for the Presidency started saying he was born in Hawaii instead - and posted online a forged Hawaii COLB, followed by a forged long-form, and when a SOS asked the State of Hawaii to verify the facts of Cruz’ claimed Hawaii birth the HI state registrar would not verify those facts?


79 posted on 03/09/2013 8:51:55 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

This constitutional crisis was deliberately ignored by the media on behalf of Obama - whose British father’s allegiance was the reason for the Founder’s diligence.

Consider our 21st Century conundrum - what do we do in the future when the child of a LGBT couple has rented a womb - purchased an embryo of an anonymous egg donor and a prolific sperm donor?????? Parental citizenship - conception and place of birth are left off the birth certificate!!!

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?????


80 posted on 03/09/2013 8:52:08 AM PST by sodpoodle (Life is prickly - carry tweezers.)
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To: mylife

“Oh for the love of God!! stop attacking our own.”

I think Ted Cruz is great and Marco is OK. Don’t get mad at me because they are not eligible to run for President. Neither is Bobby Jindal and I like him too. But guess who is eligible? Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Walker.

If the Supreme Court wants to take on the issue of NBC and put forth a new definition then fine I’ll be happy to abide by it but the last time they took on the issue in 1870 (Minor vs Happerset) they ruled born in the US of two US citizen parents.

A willing cabal from both sides of the aisle got together in 2008 and allowed Barack Obama to illegally assume the Presidency. He is a perfect object lesson for the reason the framers made the NBC requirement. They wanted to make sure that no person with any possible allegiance to another country or entity would become President. Obama perceives himself as a citizen of the world not the USA. His allegiance is to the UN and the rest of the world not America.

But you can cheer up because my personal belief is that the same cabal that facilitated Obama will also allow Rubio to run for President in 2016 and they will not allow Cruz for reasons that are easy to define if you are a conservative.


81 posted on 03/09/2013 8:52:10 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Longbow1969

“So far no one has challenged a presidential candidate born outside of the United States.”

One thing of which we can be certain:
If Ted Cruz tries a presidential run, the ‘rats and the media will be ALL OVER THIS, and they WILL NOT LET UP.

They will so blanket the airwaves with the assertion that Cruz is not a “natural born citizen” that — whether he is or not — those “low information voters” will believe he isn’t.

Paging Mr. Goebbels, your services are required by the blue party!


82 posted on 03/09/2013 8:52:50 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: IMR 4350

Good point.


83 posted on 03/09/2013 8:52:55 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Drew68

My response was to those who look at the constitutional eligeability clause and want every American president to be born in a log cabin hospital in the middle of the American heartland with the American flag snapping crisply on a pole in a fresh spring breeze and military Jets flying over head at the exact moment the doctor smacks the baby’s rump!


84 posted on 03/09/2013 8:53:06 AM PST by mdmathis6 (Rest assured, Mankind is loved....both completely and severely!)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

You too are either a troll or guilty of the same myopia as yldstrk.

It’s not an issue of US Citizenship - it’s NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP, which was DISTINCTLY referenced in the US Constitution for ONE and ONLY ONE issue - Qualification of ANYone to be POTUS.

No one is saying a baby born abroad to a US Citizen is not a US Citizen. BUT, if they’re not born on REAL (ie the 50 states or territories) US Soil or Virtual US Soil (ie military base or diplomatic premises), then they ARE NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and hence are NOT qualified to be POTUS.


85 posted on 03/09/2013 8:53:12 AM PST by CanuckYank
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

This is silly. The truth is that no one knows what the actual meaning of “natural born” is until it is tested in the courts.


86 posted on 03/09/2013 8:53:53 AM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter
Fox is incorrect, to be a natural born citizen your parents must be citizens and you must be under the jurisdiction of the USA at the time of your birth. So the question becomes was Cruz under the US jurisdiction at birth? In the case of McCain (and all US service members overseas) the answer is easy, Yes. In Cruzs' case the answer is not so easy, a good argument can be made either way. So Fox declaring "No" is a bit premature. My inclination would be to say Yes if your parents (both US passport holders) were just temporally over seas (tourist, visiting relatives, business) and No if your parents were living abroad.
87 posted on 03/09/2013 8:54:27 AM PST by jpsb
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Beautiful! Thanks for the clarity.

Honestly, we used to know things. No, really. We did. We Americans used to be a smart, skilled and educated people. I'm not kidding. You can't tell by looking now, but that was true once upon a time, in a lost reality far, far away...

88 posted on 03/09/2013 8:54:45 AM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: longtermmemmory
FNC hit piece?

Carl Cameron is a Bushie. He doesn't want anyone standing in the way of Jeb.

89 posted on 03/09/2013 8:55:19 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Marie

“John McCain was born on base...”

No.

John McCain was born OFF-base in a Panamanian hospital. MAJOR DIFFERENCE there.

I believe his parents had to obtain some kind of documentation from the U.S. Embassy at the time to establish his claim to “natural born” citizenship.

That is why there was a bit of a row about it later on, and that’s also why the Senate passed some kind of special resolution re-affirming his claim to be a natural-born citizen.


90 posted on 03/09/2013 8:55:27 AM PST by Road Glide
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To: Marie

Marie, I was told the same thing. I knew someone born under the same circircumstances (except a French hospital), and she was even given dual citizenship! They might have changed the rule now for McCain, but this is what we were taught growing up.


91 posted on 03/09/2013 8:55:35 AM PST by conservative cat
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To: mylife

Thank you !


92 posted on 03/09/2013 8:56:14 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Marie; Old Retired Army Guy

Yes. Children of service members who are born abroad of two US Citizen parents are NOT eligible to be POTUS. (At least that’s what I was told by the US Embassy when my son was born.)

I too had this explained to me by a retired military. Children born abroad to U.S. citizens are absolutely "citizens", but not "natural born citizens". They are naturalized-by-statute.


93 posted on 03/09/2013 8:56:20 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Cold Case Posse Supporter

94 posted on 03/09/2013 8:56:33 AM PST by mnehring
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To: Georgia Girl 2

I got nothing against Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Walker, but IMHO Ted Cruz is the right stuff.

I could be wrong, but I like what I see.
This guy is fearless and he has a healthy respect for this nations founders.

Cruz and We the people put Dewhurst away when he got a bit to comfy.


95 posted on 03/09/2013 8:56:42 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Syncro; All
Oops, typo in post 67

...changed his tune when he say SAW he was so wrong.

96 posted on 03/09/2013 8:56:47 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - Andrew Breitbart The King of All Media (RIP Feb 1, 1969 – Mar 1, 2012)
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To: mnehring

LOL!!!!!!


97 posted on 03/09/2013 8:57:18 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Marie

Because McCain was born on base and it was declared US Soil. My son was born in a German hospital.


McCain was not born on base. The base hospital was still under construction.

He was born in a Panamanian hospital on Panama soil.


98 posted on 03/09/2013 8:57:30 AM PST by chaosagent (Remember, no matter how you slice it, forbidden fruit still tastes the sweetest!)
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To: butterdezillion

Good point. Let’s see what happens with this situation. I am particularly interested what Sean Hannity’s response will be since he declared Cruz a ‘natural born Citizen’ the other day despite being born in Canada to a Cuban father.


99 posted on 03/09/2013 8:57:46 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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To: yldstrk

wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....


Of course your child would be a U.S. citizen, just not a natural born citizen.


100 posted on 03/09/2013 8:57:56 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great natiorn is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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