Skip to comments.Fox News Declares Ted Cruz Ineligible To Be POTUS Due To Birth In Canada [American Mother]
Posted on 03/09/2013 8:04:06 AM PST by Cold Case Posse Supporter
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John McCain was born in Panama to 2 US citizen parents. McCain is a natural born citizen and, as we've seen, quite obviously eligible to be President. Why would your son not be eligible when McCain is? Sounds like the embassy gave you the wrong information.
No, Cruz's father didn't become a citizen until 2005.
We are splitting hairs and killing our messengers.
This entire thing is mental masturbation.
When the 2nd amendment was penned the intent was clear.
“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”
Yet some folks take the clause about a well regulated militia(the common man and citizen) and twist that into something that was not implied.
I think some of us would disarm the people because they themselves have a lack of resolve and mental clarity.
Do not shoot Ted Cruz.
because Senator Cruz doesn’t have urban assault vehicles and drones at his beck and call.
Obama can and will kill those who did him
All three of my kids were born overseas. My sons were born in the U.S. Army Hospital at Camp Zama, Japan, and my daughter was born in a British hospital (private insurance, not on the NHS). Since both of their parents are natural born US Citizens, they can hold any office.
And, by our currently popular standard definition of natural born citizenship, that child would also be a natural born of whatever country s/he was born in, just as anchor babies are said to be natural born citizens of this country.
What it it comes down to, and what the founders intended was declaration of allegiance.
At this point even an anchor baby could become president.
I stand corrected.
Still, I would vote for Cruz over that POS obama any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Go back to the schoolyard where you belong.
I think a constitutional clarification or amendment is needed to cover those circumstances where a person was born to American parents overseas who both were there temporarily and had no plans to be ex-pat. To deny such a person a right to run for president simply because of the temporary locale of the American Citizen birth mother and father really is choking at gnats and swallowing camels.
As for Obama...throw the bum out!
Make that...where your argument belongs.
Snappy rejoinder ol man.
You sure have a wit and wisdom that cannot be denied.
Why do you say that? This report says his father did not become a US citizen until 2005:
I don't know what they teach now, but it's interesting how suddenly the only candidates are those who bend that standard.
When it comes to civics, "they" may not know how to add, but they sure know how to divide.
I believe the Founders use of the word ‘natural’ was intentional as to covering/requiring location of birth and parentage. Both requirements are subject to USA jurisdiction.
He states as if it is a fact that Cruz is ineligible to run for POTUS.
When Sarah Palin first hit the scene a few years ago, he went on a tirade about how unimportant she was. He really tore her apart. Heh, changed his tune when he say he was so wrong.
The bottom line is that conservatives need to stop sniping at themselves!
Save it for Obama!
Why attack Cruz?
Who has been denied? Nobody denied McCain. Nobody denied George Romney. And nobody will deny Ted Cruz if he wants to run.
“wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....”
Maybe, maybe not.
I could be wrong, but I think that in a case such as this (child born to American parents on foreign soil) there are certain actions the parents must take in a timely manner in order to establish that the newborn is to be regarded as a “natural born American citizen”.
It may involve going to the nearest American embassy and filling out some paperwork, nothing more.
But again, whether or not the newborn gains full “natural-born” citizenship may not be “automatic”, but rather established by the actions of the parents in a timely manner after the birth.
I welcome correction from others in this forum.
So the $64 question is — was specific action required by Ted Cruz’ parents required to establish natural-born citizenship after his foreign birth, and (if so), did his parents take such action in a timely manner?
As yet, unknown .
I think perhaps, FOX has used a sly back door method to shine the light of day on the issue by criticzing “one of their own”. IF the rats take the bait, then it can finally be turned against their messiah......
Because McCain was born on base and it was declared US Soil. My son was born in a German hospital.
“If Obama was legal then Cruz is legal.”
Problem with your assertion:
Obama isn’t legal.
Not a legal scholar, but I was a military brat and had a number of friends born overseas to both American parents. At the time, we all understood they were ineligible for presidency. That is how we were taught the rules on eligibility.
Now, I was born in the U.S. to an American citizen (over 25, with family ties predating the Revolution) and a legal U.S. resident (but not yet citizen), and I had never heard I was ineligible until the last few years. (Funny, because my mother’s country won’t give me citizenship.)
Too many people have somehow gotten it into their heads the laws of the US apply to every other country, and they don’t.
IIRC the US is one of the few if not the only country in the world that makes you a citizen simply by being born in the country.
Just like some countries don’t recognize a woman as having the right to pass citizenship to the child only the father does. In that case the mother not being an American citizen would make no difference since by the laws of her country she couldn’t pass citizenship to the child.
So saying a person is or isn’t a NBC isn’t as open and closed as everyone thinks it is.
It depends on the laws of the other country as to whether or not the child is a citizen of the country.
His father being from Cuba was more than likely stateless at the time so he couldn’t pass Cuban citizenship.
If Canada doesn’t make you a citizen simply by being born in the country, then his citizenship would fall to his mother only.
“If you were to have asked people 7 years ago who de Vattel was, only about 0.5% of people might be able to tell you, ...”
Yes, and a sorry reflection of our times that is. I’d bet that all 55 delegates to the Constitutional Convention knew exactly who deVattel was, had studied his works, and had a singular understanding of the term that’s meaning is in dispute today.
IMO, SCOTUS has let the country down by not interpreting the Framers’ meaning and intent once and for all. And, if that interpretation doesn’t comport with the sense of the nation today, let’s amend the Constitution to eliminate the words ‘natural born’ from Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5. End of dispute.
Precedent has been set.
Why attack our own?
But the hypothetical should be asked - since Cruz has said that he was born in Canada, what would happen if he all of a sudden the year before deciding to run for the Presidency started saying he was born in Hawaii instead - and posted online a forged Hawaii COLB, followed by a forged long-form, and when a SOS asked the State of Hawaii to verify the facts of Cruz’ claimed Hawaii birth the HI state registrar would not verify those facts?
This constitutional crisis was deliberately ignored by the media on behalf of Obama - whose British father’s allegiance was the reason for the Founder’s diligence.
Consider our 21st Century conundrum - what do we do in the future when the child of a LGBT couple has rented a womb - purchased an embryo of an anonymous egg donor and a prolific sperm donor?????? Parental citizenship - conception and place of birth are left off the birth certificate!!!
“Oh for the love of God!! stop attacking our own.”
I think Ted Cruz is great and Marco is OK. Don’t get mad at me because they are not eligible to run for President. Neither is Bobby Jindal and I like him too. But guess who is eligible? Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Walker.
If the Supreme Court wants to take on the issue of NBC and put forth a new definition then fine I’ll be happy to abide by it but the last time they took on the issue in 1870 (Minor vs Happerset) they ruled born in the US of two US citizen parents.
A willing cabal from both sides of the aisle got together in 2008 and allowed Barack Obama to illegally assume the Presidency. He is a perfect object lesson for the reason the framers made the NBC requirement. They wanted to make sure that no person with any possible allegiance to another country or entity would become President. Obama perceives himself as a citizen of the world not the USA. His allegiance is to the UN and the rest of the world not America.
But you can cheer up because my personal belief is that the same cabal that facilitated Obama will also allow Rubio to run for President in 2016 and they will not allow Cruz for reasons that are easy to define if you are a conservative.
“So far no one has challenged a presidential candidate born outside of the United States.”
One thing of which we can be certain:
If Ted Cruz tries a presidential run, the ‘rats and the media will be ALL OVER THIS, and they WILL NOT LET UP.
They will so blanket the airwaves with the assertion that Cruz is not a “natural born citizen” that — whether he is or not — those “low information voters” will believe he isn’t.
Paging Mr. Goebbels, your services are required by the blue party!
My response was to those who look at the constitutional eligeability clause and want every American president to be born in a log cabin hospital in the middle of the American heartland with the American flag snapping crisply on a pole in a fresh spring breeze and military Jets flying over head at the exact moment the doctor smacks the baby’s rump!
You too are either a troll or guilty of the same myopia as yldstrk.
It’s not an issue of US Citizenship - it’s NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP, which was DISTINCTLY referenced in the US Constitution for ONE and ONLY ONE issue - Qualification of ANYone to be POTUS.
No one is saying a baby born abroad to a US Citizen is not a US Citizen. BUT, if they’re not born on REAL (ie the 50 states or territories) US Soil or Virtual US Soil (ie military base or diplomatic premises), then they ARE NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN and hence are NOT qualified to be POTUS.
This is silly. The truth is that no one knows what the actual meaning of “natural born” is until it is tested in the courts.
Honestly, we used to know things. No, really. We did. We Americans used to be a smart, skilled and educated people. I'm not kidding. You can't tell by looking now, but that was true once upon a time, in a lost reality far, far away...
Carl Cameron is a Bushie. He doesn't want anyone standing in the way of Jeb.
“John McCain was born on base...”
John McCain was born OFF-base in a Panamanian hospital. MAJOR DIFFERENCE there.
I believe his parents had to obtain some kind of documentation from the U.S. Embassy at the time to establish his claim to “natural born” citizenship.
That is why there was a bit of a row about it later on, and that’s also why the Senate passed some kind of special resolution re-affirming his claim to be a natural-born citizen.
Marie, I was told the same thing. I knew someone born under the same circircumstances (except a French hospital), and she was even given dual citizenship! They might have changed the rule now for McCain, but this is what we were taught growing up.
Thank you !
I got nothing against Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Ken Cuccinelli and Scott Walker, but IMHO Ted Cruz is the right stuff.
I could be wrong, but I like what I see.
This guy is fearless and he has a healthy respect for this nations founders.
Cruz and We the people put Dewhurst away when he got a bit to comfy.
...changed his tune when he
say SAW he was so wrong.
Because McCain was born on base and it was declared US Soil. My son was born in a German hospital.
He was born in a Panamanian hospital on Panama soil.
Good point. Let’s see what happens with this situation. I am particularly interested what Sean Hannity’s response will be since he declared Cruz a ‘natural born Citizen’ the other day despite being born in Canada to a Cuban father.
wow, so if I am on vacation while pregnant, say I am in the Bahamas chilling on the beach, and my baby comes early, my baby is not a citizen? Just want to clarify....
Of course your child would be a U.S. citizen, just not a natural born citizen.
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