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Rand Paul Highlights Obama and John McCain’s Horrible Civil Liberties Records
Townhall.com ^ | March 9, 2013 | Julie Borowsky

Posted on 03/09/2013 9:12:59 AM PST by Kaslin

In the spirit of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Senator Rand Paul delivered the filibuster speech that was trending worldwide on Twitter on Wednesday. He wanted a direct answer from the White House to this simple question: does the U.S. government have the authority to kill an American citizen with a drone on U.S. soil?

The question may seem a bit strange at first. However, with the federal government greatly expanding their use of unmanned drones in U.S. skies, it is a legitimate question that deserves an answer. The U.S. government has already killed an American citizen with a drone.

Sixteen year old Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki who was born in Denver, Colorado was killed by an armed drone while eating at an outside restaurant in Yemen back in 2011.

He was never convicted of any crime, much less charged and tried for any wrongdoings. It appears that he was not even the intended target of the drone strike—possibly just at the wrong place, at the wrong time.

The federal government has never released any statements and Obama has never answered any questions about the killing of this American-born teenager.

So the U.S. government has killed an American citizen with a drone outside of the country’s borders. Could it happen within U.S. borders?

For many months, Senator Paul tried to get a real answer from Attorney General Eric Holder to no avail. Rand Paul did receive a wishy-washy letter from the Attorney General that tapped danced around the question.

Eric Holder basically said: Yes, the U.S. government can technically kill anyone we want, but it’s a highly unlikely that it will happen on U.S. soil.

Isn’t that reassuring?

Rand Paul wouldn’t take “we can kill you, but probably won’t” for an answer. He began filibustering the nomination of John Brennan for CIA Director just before noon on Wednesday, saying that he would be speaking for the “next few of hours.” A few hours turned into nearly 13 hours, as 14 brave senators joined him throughout the day and tons of supportive tweets kept rolling in.

People from all different political backgrounds united behind Rand Paul on social media. CODE PINK on the far left, FreedomWorks on the right, and millions of Americans united in solitary over our constitutional right to due process.

The possibility of getting assassinated by a remote-controlled flying robot in the sky, if the government just suspects you’re doing something wrong, is unpopular. Who knew?

Not everyone was pleased with Rand Paul’s courageous stand, though. GOP establishment Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain who instead spent the night schmoozing with President Obama mocked Rand Paul for standing up for our constitutional rights.

Senator Graham called Rand Paul’s filibuster “ill-informed.” Senator McCain said “calm down, Senator.”

Senator McCain took it a step further to mock young people that were inspired by Senator Paul’s efforts, saying that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids."

You mean to tell me that there are college students getting fired up by a Republican senator speaking about the Constitution on C-SPAN? And this is somehow bad, why?

Everyone knows that the Republican Party has a problem attracting young people. Obama captured 66 percent of the youth vote, compared with McCain's 31 percent in 2008. The same thing happened in 2012: young people overwhelmingly voted for Democrats.

The Republican Party desperately needs young energy and enthusiasm. Young libertarian-minded people are passionate about limiting the size and scope of government—and the GOP would be foolish to turn them away.

Perhaps John McCain should listen to his now former colleague Jim DeMint who said, “I’d like to see a Republican Party that embraces a lot of the libertarian ideas.” He added that if the Republican Party does not embrace more libertarian views, “we won’t be able to exist as a party, certainly not a majority party.”

Many young people are rightfully concerned with the loss of our civil liberties. The GOP must embrace this next generation of liberty-minded activists, or it will die. It’s as simple as that.

Despite his 2007 campaign promises, Obama has a horrible civil liberties record that should be condemned. He reauthorized the Patriot Act that allows for warrantless wiretapping of American citizens and signed the National Defense Authorization that allows for the indefinite detention of American citizens without a trial.

When you add up all of Obama’s civil liberties abuses, the questions raised by Rand Paul and millions of Americans on the use of drones are necessary and relevant.

Rand Paul should be applauded for drawing attention to President Obama’s drone program. Wednesday night proved that there is a wing of the GOP that respects the Constitution and promotes policies that are in deep contrast to Obama’s. And there is an establishment GOP wing that would rather wine and dine with Obama.


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: foreignaffairs; johnmccain; obama; randpaul
Rand Paul did receive a wishy-washy letter from the Attorney General that tapped danced around the question.

Isn't this (part in bold) what liberals do?

1 posted on 03/09/2013 9:12:59 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Rand Paul pulling a political stunt Mr. McCain? Political Stunt? If the august senator McCain calls standing up for the U.S. Constitution a political stunt that senator reveals his own shallowness. We - I take Senator Paul's efforts to bring truth to the American people through his filibuster most seriously and most appreciated.

Mr. McCain played footsie i.e., allowed himself to be used by a Marxist president bound to disrupt the American economy and security for his, Barack H.Obama, for his own angry agenda. Shame on Senator McCain for not backing an American who dared to call out this president and his AG for abusing the Constitution with lawlessness....America is applauding Senator Paul, Mr. McCain....your pettiness is very telling.

2 posted on 03/09/2013 9:29:01 AM PST by yoe
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To: yoe

That “My dinner with Barry” day should be the MOST shameful day in the life of McCain.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 9:51:03 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Kaslin
“if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids."

So McCain doesn't want to go after the votes of young people.

4 posted on 03/09/2013 9:58:40 AM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Enterprise

I don’t think he can top the day he endorsed Obama from President in October, 2008. Even this.


5 posted on 03/09/2013 10:08:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Wait a minute. Didn’t he run in 2008 against that arrogant pos and yet he endorsed him? No wonder he lost


6 posted on 03/09/2013 10:14:04 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin
The GOP must embrace this next generation of liberty-minded activists, or it will die. It’s as simple as that.

AMEN.

It is the only defense against creeping socialism of the welfare state.

7 posted on 03/09/2013 10:24:12 AM PST by skeeter
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To: Kaslin
Yup. FR thread: "... a decent person and a person you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States."
8 posted on 03/09/2013 10:32:18 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Thanks, now I remember


9 posted on 03/09/2013 10:41:40 AM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: yoe

If the august senator McCain calls standing up for the U.S. Constitution a political stunt that senator reveals his own shallowness.


That’s nothing. McStupid and his girlfriend snark while DHS classifies groups of GOP voters and military vets as domestic terrorists!

THEY HAVE ALLOWED THE MULSIM IN THE WH TO TURN THE DOMESTIC WAR ON TERROR AGAINST INNOCENT US CITIZENS WHILE PROTECTING, EMPOWERING AND FUNDING RADICAL ISLAMISTS!

They need to be sidelined until they can be removed from office. Marxists and global fascists don’t belong in the GOP.

Next election, Miss Lindsey is going to be eating some over the top, fascist sentiment it expressed, loud and proud on the Senate floor. She thinks the more anti-constitutional and anti-freedom she is, the more patriotic to the global elitists she is.


10 posted on 03/09/2013 10:58:05 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Cyber Liberty
FR thread: ("... a decent person and a person you do not have to be scared of as president of the United States.")

Now filed...THANKS!

11 posted on 03/09/2013 11:01:37 AM PST by yoe
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To: Fiji Hill

I resent the implication that with age comes wisdom and love of drones. Youth is prone to emotion and intellectual extremes. But sometimes the status quot itself is rather extreme. Wise old men of yore, back when we were a Republic, would’ve been aghast to learn that the president could unilaterally dispatch a robot to kill US citizens and whoever happened to be standing next to them on the other side of the globe, and not even bother justifying himself. And yes, this is taking into consideration such things as Jefferson’s war on the Barbary pirates and the lower esteem for human life.

It so happens McCain came of age after we became World Police, had established the National Security State, and were accustomed to Death from Above, as long as it was other people dying. So robot assassination of US citizens, zero oversight, and the concept of the entire planet being one, big battlefield seems perfectly normal to him. Questioning it is only something one of them wacky teenaged libertarian would stoop to.

The older I get, though maybe not the wiser, the less comfortable am I with McCainian perpetual and global war. Drones are just more Big Government. Like federal gun control or campaign finance reform, only people, sometimes innocent, die.


12 posted on 03/09/2013 11:54:20 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Enterprise

Oh, I’m sure he has many days far more shameful. For example, I’d love to mine the memories of his fellow POWs.


13 posted on 03/09/2013 11:56:19 AM PST by DPMD
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To: yoe

McCain’s stunts are for truth, beauty, big governmentism, and the personal benefit of Barrack Obama. There’s a difference.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 11:56:30 AM PST by Tublecane
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15 posted on 03/09/2013 12:03:55 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Kaslin
I'm getting uncomfortable with the emphasis on drones. What about a Special Forces sniper? Not only is that not far-fetched, by some accounts it happened in Waco and/or Ruby Ridge. And those were by no means “enemy combatants”.
16 posted on 03/09/2013 12:18:09 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Kaslin

McShame is the second biggest POS in America. His dad must be turning over in his grave over this misfit. I worked for Admiral McCain when his bastard son visited him in London before heading out to Nam. Such a disappointment.


17 posted on 03/09/2013 12:23:41 PM PST by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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To: DPMD
Oh, I’m sure he has many days far more shameful. For example, I’d love to mine the memories of his fellow POWs.

The tragedy on the USS Forrestal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chuiyXQKw3I

began when somebody fired a missile into McCain's plane. They allegedly found a technical reason for it, but more and more I wonder if living in close quarters with that jerk became too much for one of his comrades. I hate to say it, but I sure wonder ...

18 posted on 03/09/2013 12:25:23 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: DPMD
I am still suspicious of his visit to Viet Nam with John F’in Kerry, when they went to seek POW’s and MIA’s and came home with a business deal.
19 posted on 03/09/2013 12:46:35 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

OK, Rand Paul is giving us what we like. Instead of just complaining about what we don’t like, let’s show them our gratitude. Let’s show him our support. Where do we donate? Where do we write? Some Tea Party organizers must have information on this?


20 posted on 03/09/2013 12:51:50 PM PST by mgist
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To: Kaslin

There’s also a former governor from Alaska with a strong libertarian streak in her.


21 posted on 03/09/2013 1:49:09 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Kaslin
I loved how Paul put it interpreting the letter he received from the Attorney General before he filibustered.

"We have not done it yet, we have no intention of doing it, but we might."

22 posted on 03/10/2013 9:41:42 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Tublecane
Drones are just more Big Government.

Should they even be allowed on or over US soil? They are a military aircraft to monitor foreign lands where there is a war. Who is flying the plane and launching the missiles? Military right? Military drones should never be used to fly over American soil, including the police.

Am I being paranoid here? I have big property filled with natural resources, it bothers me so much to have to worry about a drone manned by anybody from the government checking my property out, isn't that a 4th amendment violation?

I heard a story recently that 30,000 drones are going to be bought by counties and cities for police usage in the next ten years, are you kidding me? We have to stop this, at least with a helicopter or a vehicle you know the man is checking you out, but a silent military aircraft with deadly weaponry is just too much. Where is the outrage?

23 posted on 03/10/2013 9:53:56 AM PDT by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Kaslin
Senator McCain took it a step further to mock young people that were inspired by Senator Paul’s efforts, saying that “if Mr. Paul wants to be taken seriously he needs to do more than pull political stunts that fire up impressionable libertarian kids."

The last shred of respect I had for McCain based on his service and captivity during Vietnam just evaporated.

They're no longer relevant.
24 posted on 03/10/2013 10:00:26 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: thirst4truth

You are not paranoid. Cops are already using them to tiptoe around the 4th amendment, if that amendment in fact still has the force of law. They may be flying over your property, but you don’t own the sky, do you?

Some argue drones aren’t any different than other technology allowing for warrantless searches, like drug sniffing dogs or x-rays at the airport. But I’ve always hated those, too, especially the dogs. First of all we have no idea whether they’re any good. It’s not as if judges do a blind test if their abilities after the fact. We just have to take the cops’ word for it. Secondly, we don’t necessarily know they’re indicating drugs, even if drugs end up being present. Again, we’re taking the cops’ word for it.

Most importantly, whoever said cops can bypass the need for a warrant merely because some machine (dogs being genetically engineered drug smelling machines) tells them crime is present. Readily apparent evidence of wrongdoing ought to be just that: readily apparent. That is, apparent to the human senses, not to a dog’s nose or an infrared camera attached to a robot hovering far above the earth.


25 posted on 03/10/2013 1:25:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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