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The agony of Hugo Chavez: details emerge of his final days
Reuters ^ | Mar. 9, 2013 | Marianna Parraga

Posted on 03/09/2013 10:57:44 AM PST by libstripper

Venezuela's Hugo Chavez slid into a coma the day before he died of respiratory failure after cancer spread into his lungs, sources say.

Chavez's precise condition was one of the world's best-kept secrets since his cancer was announced in June 2011.

Since his death this week, however, details have emerged of the 58-year-old president's battle with cancer and the last moments in the hospital with close family and senior aides.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: cancer; chavez; death; goodriddance; hugochavez; jimmycarter; smellslikesulphur; sulfur; sulphur; venezuela
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This gives us a few more details than we had before. The two most interesting are that he died of respiratory failure after the cancer spread to his lungs and this initial diagnosis, FTA:

During two initial operations in mid-2011, Chavez had a tumor removed from his intestines, and was diagnosed with sarcoma in the psoas muscle that runs from the lower part of the vertebral column to the pelvis, a medical source said.

Are there any FR MDs here who could share their knowledge with us about this type of cancer, how dangerous it usually is, and how it should be treated? My thanks to you in advance.

1 posted on 03/09/2013 10:57:44 AM PST by libstripper
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To: libstripper

And here I felt good about his passing. Then I read terrible things about how he suffered, and I felt...

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*even better!*


2 posted on 03/09/2013 11:00:27 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: libstripper

Not an MD but I would say if cancer has spread like that, you are probably done.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 11:00:39 AM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Hugo Chavez didn’t have a case of cancer. The cancer had a case of Hugo Chavez. So sad.


4 posted on 03/09/2013 11:04:58 AM PST by fhayek
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To: libstripper

He died hard!!! He thought he was invincible and would go on about the 15 cups of black Venezuelan coffee he drank each day and the coco leaves he chewed the way the Indians do down there. Ahmadinejad claims Chavez will come riding back into town with the twelfth Imam. Loony toon 3rd worlders gotta stick together!


5 posted on 03/09/2013 11:06:38 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: libstripper

—yeah—curious about how the Cuban treatment would compare to anywhere else -—


6 posted on 03/09/2013 11:10:05 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: fhayek

My Jewhater boss at Norman went for years coughing his lungs out. When the cancer finally finished him, it had eaten out through his back, I was told.

Cancer and evil people. It’s like hand and glove.


7 posted on 03/09/2013 11:11:28 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: libstripper

I could care less about what this POS went through. Both my parents and a sister died of cancer. This a-hole lived longer after being diagnosed than any of them.


8 posted on 03/09/2013 11:15:26 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: libstripper

Another democrat dies.....

...yawn.


9 posted on 03/09/2013 11:17:05 AM PST by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~)
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To: libstripper

I guess that billion dollars he stole from the people he was claiming to help didn’t do him much good toward the end.


10 posted on 03/09/2013 11:17:10 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Hardraade
Cancer and evil people. It’s like hand and glove.

It strikes unevil people equally.

11 posted on 03/09/2013 11:17:56 AM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: libstripper

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=XU7gnMSzf_c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DXU7gnMSzf_c


12 posted on 03/09/2013 11:18:14 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Graybeard58

Still not sure about that. Evil and corrosive personalities seem to actually draw cancer. May not be enough to make a statistical significance, though.


13 posted on 03/09/2013 11:21:25 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: rellimpank; All

“yeah—curious about how the Cuban treatment would compare to anywhere else -—”

This is why I’d really like a FR ME to join in — hint, hint.


14 posted on 03/09/2013 11:28:03 AM PST by libstripper
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To: Hardraade

Still not sure about that...

...you’re still not sure that cancer strikes good people as well as bad???

...I know it’s probably better to ignore a statement as seemingly idiotic as yours, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, and write it off to some sarcastic silliness...


15 posted on 03/09/2013 11:30:32 AM PST by IrishBrigade
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To: libstripper

If only he’d been a scientologist...

Nyuk nyuk.


16 posted on 03/09/2013 11:31:44 AM PST by DPMD
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To: libstripper

I will not regale in the suffering or death of ANY human being.

Prayers for his soul and for those of his family and friends.


17 posted on 03/09/2013 11:33:43 AM PST by WCH
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To: libstripper

Hard to believe that the wonderful Cuban health care didn’t cure his sorry ass.....


18 posted on 03/09/2013 11:34:12 AM PST by clintonh8r (Happy to be represented by Lt. Col. Allen West)
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To: libstripper

If indeed Chavez had a type of sarcoma of or involving the psoas muscle here is a brief medical abstract on the topic...

http://publications.icr.ac.uk/1751/


19 posted on 03/09/2013 11:36:09 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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To: libstripper
too bad he didn't last another year or so suffering in agony, cause he didn't suffer nearly as much as he should have...
20 posted on 03/09/2013 11:37:27 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: libstripper

No tyrant should ever be allowed to die of natural causes.


21 posted on 03/09/2013 11:41:33 AM PST by Standing Wolf
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To: dennisw

More like loony toon third graders.


22 posted on 03/09/2013 11:42:44 AM PST by GunsareOK
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To: Graybeard58

Hugo was a cancer on the world.


23 posted on 03/09/2013 11:44:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: IrishBrigade

Of course it does. It’s the “in equal part” I’m not sure of.


24 posted on 03/09/2013 11:44:28 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Standing Wolf

They should all meet the end of the Mussolinis. The world is ready for a great cleansing.


25 posted on 03/09/2013 11:54:35 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Hardraade

Not sure why you say “cancer and evil people”. Cancer can attack anyone whether they are bad or relatively good (there really is no one that is good). The Lord doesn’t spare Christians from suffering on this earth.


26 posted on 03/09/2013 12:04:55 PM PST by plain talk
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To: tflabo; All
Mucho thanks. The most important part from the medical abstract you linked:

Surgery was done in 14 patients (negative microscopic margins-7, positive microscopic margins-3, and positive gross margins-3 and the margin of excision was not known in I patient). Five of 14 surgically treated patients had local recurrence and 6 of 19 patients developed metastases. Ten patients died of their disease at a median follow-up of 12 months. The estimated 2 and 5 year survival rates were 44 and 23%, respectively. Conclusions: Tumors in this location have a poor prognosis due to the lack of early diagnosis, large size at presentation, multiple attachments of the psoas muscle, and being relatively surgically inaccessible. (My emphasis.)

IOW, Hugo was in deep, brown smelly stuff from the moment he was diagnosed, needed the best available care, and chose to go with Obama/CastroCare instead, with the inevitable outcome.

27 posted on 03/09/2013 12:06:51 PM PST by libstripper
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To: Hardraade

Pretty broad paint brush here- my son was not an evil person. Another family member, my grandson, was not an evil person. Neither one were drinkers or smokers. Neither used drugs. It is not always the lifestyle that enters in.


28 posted on 03/09/2013 12:11:20 PM PST by handmade
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To: fhayek

soros is next I hope, a slow painful one


29 posted on 03/09/2013 12:11:40 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: WCH

Thank you. I’ve started wondering if certain posters here are worse in God’s eyes than he was. We’re instructed to pray for even our enemies, and, of course, those suffering.


30 posted on 03/09/2013 12:11:49 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not NurtureĀ™)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Amen! He probably died an easier easier than some he had killed.


31 posted on 03/09/2013 12:14:48 PM PST by sport
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To: clintonh8r
My only wish is to have Sean Penn, Pelosi, Obama,Fienstien, Reid and ALL the rest of the democrats come down with the same cancer and for them to go to their socialist paradise in Cuba to get the “great” medical treatment there.
32 posted on 03/09/2013 12:21:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: plain talk

Some of the finest people I ever knew died of cancer, including my mother. Not an evil bone in her body.

IMO everyone has cancer, and something starts it to spread.


33 posted on 03/09/2013 12:32:14 PM PST by Venturer
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To: libstripper

Isn’t the passing of a tyrant an example of God’s mercy toward men?


34 posted on 03/09/2013 12:36:22 PM PST by lurk
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To: Chode

Did Hugo hear the cries and sobbing of relatives of the many people he killed during his rein, as he lay dying? Did Hugo hear the cries for justice from the many people he caused to suffer and die during his reign?

I read that the last thing Chavez said before his death, and apparently he mouthed the words because he could not speak, was, “please don’t let me die.”

In the end, these evil POS are afraid to die, because they know what awaits them. May they suffer and burn in hell for all the evil they caused.


35 posted on 03/09/2013 12:43:42 PM PST by itssme
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To: clintonh8r
Hard to believe that the wonderful Cuban health care didn’t cure his sorry ass.....

Hey! at least it was free. What more could he want?

36 posted on 03/09/2013 12:45:54 PM PST by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: handmade

Not a paintbrush at all.

More like, I think evil can draw bad things on to you. Not that bad things don’t happen to good people.


37 posted on 03/09/2013 12:47:35 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: steve86

You’re welcome. It’s easy to do when you place yourself in their shoes.


38 posted on 03/09/2013 12:48:11 PM PST by WCH
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To: itssme
100%
39 posted on 03/09/2013 12:52:15 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: handmade; Hardraade; IrishBrigade

I cannot cite a reference but I read a long time ago that cancer was thought to be a shameful disease and afflicted “bad people”, if someone in your family had it, you kept it quiet. Like syphilis or AIDS.

I really thought that people were much more enlightened nowadays. We’d be hard pressed to find anyone on this forum whose lives have not been touched by this disease in some way. A relative or other loved one, it touches everybody, good and bad, indiscriminately.


40 posted on 03/09/2013 1:00:00 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: itssme

Indeed.

I’m betting the sonofabitch can REALLY “smell the sulfur” now.


41 posted on 03/09/2013 1:00:36 PM PST by Zman516
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To: Cyber Liberty

Me too. Ding dong he’s dead!


42 posted on 03/09/2013 1:28:04 PM PST by JaguarXKE (Welcome to the new America.)
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To: libstripper

I’m not an MD, but it doesn’t sound good.


43 posted on 03/09/2013 2:14:34 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?)
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To: Graybeard58

If you were particularly enlightened, you’d know about the causal link, in some cases, between mental status and physical illnesses. It’s called “psychosomatic”. It’s not completely understood, of course, but cancer is one of the big lump of occurrences in this class.

Try not to rely so much on what you thought you heard a long time ago and fitted into your belief system.


44 posted on 03/09/2013 2:15:42 PM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: libstripper

Never understood why he went to Cuba for treatment. Even if he didn’t want to go to a US friendly country, looks like there would have been better cancer treatment available in several South American nations than in Cuba.

Guess it was one of the ultimate political statements.


45 posted on 03/09/2013 2:24:14 PM PST by Will88
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To: Hardraade; handmade; IrishBrigade
Try not to rely so much on what you thought you heard a long time ago and fitted into your belief system.

I didn't say, "I think I heard it" I said I read it. If you continue to link cancer/evil people together, you're plain nuts.

46 posted on 03/09/2013 4:28:59 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: clintonh8r

Cuban health care is actually quite good, as long as you are a party member or a cash-paying foreigner.

For the proletariat, forget it. You get sick, you die.


47 posted on 03/09/2013 4:34:58 PM PST by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Hardraade

Google the words “cancer shameful”

Lots of people and whole cultures think like you do.


48 posted on 03/09/2013 4:37:13 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: Graybeard58

?????


49 posted on 03/09/2013 6:36:17 PM PST by handmade
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To: handmade

It was addressed primarily to the person who is equating having cancer with being evil, he’s still at it, thought you might want to see it.

There are people and cultures that believe that having cancer is a shameful thing, it’s not “something I thought I heard once”, as he accused me but is very real. I showed him to google the words “cancer and shameful” if he didn’t believe me. Ignorance abounds, I hate to see it on F.R.


50 posted on 03/09/2013 6:45:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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