Skip to comments.Is it time to dump Daylight Saving Time?
Posted on 03/09/2013 1:23:59 PM PST by SeekAndFind
Daylight Saving Time starts at 2:00 AM tomorrow morning and there are increasing calls to end the practice. Part of the reason are the health effects, which are serious. And then there's the extra energy usage that we can't afford in this day and age.
From LA Times:
Once again, the oft-dreaded daylight saving time change is upon us. The day that the clocks "spring" forward also inevitably takes a spring out of our step.
Sure, the birds seem to chirp a little later, the sunlight shines a little less as we drag ourselves through the morning routine. But as study after study has shown, that seems to be about the only highlight in those first days after the change.
According to the Better Sleep Council, a nonprofit organization supported by mattress manufacturers, 61% of U.S. adults say daylight saving time affects their work the Monday after the changeover.
In a survey of 1,038 adults, the immediate effects of losing an hour of shuteye affected everything from people's moods to eating and driving habits.
About 29% of those surveyed said it takes a week to adjust to the change, with adults between 18 and 34 needing the most time to get with the new program. (But let's face it: those at the younger end of that range may struggle to get out of bed regardless.)
But don't just take the mattress industry's word for it. A number of studies over the last 13 years have highlighted the range of health consequences of people ill-prepared to start their morning routine just 60 minutes earlier.
According to a 2008 Swedish study, there's a 6% to 10% increase in heart attacks in the first three workdays after the start of daylight saving time.
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DST destroyed the drive in movie industry.
What a load of crap. During the summer months, every electric light in the Northern Hemisphere burns one less hour because of daylight savings time. This comes at a time when electric grids are already heavily burdened by air conditioners. If anything, we should be extending the use of daylight savings time.
During World War II, the British were using “double daylight savings time” and we could do it too. Sometime around May 23, we set the clocks forward an additional hour and set them back sometime around July 18.
DST wasn’t the cause ~ but never mind, we need to do it twice. An hour toward the end of winter, and another hour in early June ~ that way you’d get off in the heat of the afternoon.
DST is the perfect liberal program. Gives you something (extra daylight at end of day), for nothing (less daylight in the morning).
Just keep it Miller time!
VHS rentals and cable TV, followed by DVDs and Netflix, destroyed the drive-in movie industry.
Yes, we should dump DST.
Every year back and forth, pick a time and go with it. Let us stop the ever changing clock and pretending that we get more light. It is the same. The sun only shines so many hours a day no matter what. Moving the clocks does nothing.
Perhaps one factor of many. I find it difficult to believe that driveins would be a robust commercial entity these days in the absence of DST.
-—likewise—when I had cats it took them longer to get used it than me-—
This is one of those “Read It And Weep” stories and threads. Multiple examples of why we’re doomed so far and many, many more to come.
Of course, he offers absolutely nothing to back up this absurd assertion.
If you wake and rise by the clock, then you use an hour's less artificial light in the evening, and typically NOT an hour's more light in the morning.
And lights are the vast majority of home energy use.
It doesn't affect stoves, clothes dryers, etc. one way or the other.
You could argue that the savings are not worth the cost (extra accidents? don't know if that's true) but to argue that there are no savings is pure bunk.
Don’t you mean Daylight Stupid Time?
Inflation just eats up the savings anyway.
I would prefer 24-7 DST. If you live near a time-line it is hell. Dark in the “morning” is fine with me.
Each year there would be either one or two non-month days for festivals, celebration, and relaxation to make up the slack.
In my day, drive-ins were were knows as "passion pits".
Nowadays kids send each other pics of their "junk" on mobile phones, LOL.
How come it flourished from the 50’s to the 80’s?
You pick the wrong arrow.
Yes! It’s a total anachronism.
Why do people only complain about DST in the spring?
What about the Metric Leisure Week.
"The Metric Leisure Week will be composed of three days. Yes, only three days. Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday will become one day known as Mwensday or in decabet: Mwen. Thursday, Friday and Saturday will become Saturthurs, or in decabet: Turth. And Sunday, our traditional day of rest, will remain Sunday. Three days: Mwen, Thurth and Sunday."
I seriously doubt there is an significant energy savings from DST. During the summer months in hot areas of the country air conditioners are the biggest user of electricity and DST has no effect on their use. Many businesses keep lights on 24/7 and the time on the clock has nothing to do with lighting like street lights that are on a dawn to dusk system. Back in the day when electric lights were the main use for electricity and were shut off totally at night there might have been some savings by tinkering with the clock, but I can’t see any reason DST would have any savings in energy these days.
One of the very few ideas from Ben Franklin that turns out to be stupid in actual practice.
Instead of jerking the time of day around twice a year, how about in the summer everybody just goes to work an hour earlier?
Frankly, I miss the summer evenings.
By the way, if saving on electricity is supposed to be one of the reasons for DST, haven’t we already fixed that by outlawing incandescent bulbs? This is beginning to sound like one of those “green” things, that can never be fixed, no matter what we do.
It’s harder to adjust in the spring. You have to get up an hour earlier to get up at the same time.
Because that’s when it starts. When it ends in the fall there is no reason to complain anymore.
See the link in post 22.
I’m in IT, so don’t change it...do you know what a pain it would be to have to make all of the OS patches?
HELL NO!!!! I’m so happy when it gets here, and we have more daylight. There’s actually daylight after you get home from work.
The best thing that ever happened was the year we had it all year round!!
Like you don’t have every OS in the world that doesn’t adjust.
If you don’t, consider it another slice of job security.
Daylight Savings Time comes from Ben Franklin, who when he was in Europe noted that people would “work by candlelight and sleep by sunshine” yet “complain about the costs of candlewax and burning tallow”
Early to bed, early to rise, makes a man healthy, wealthy, and wise. It’s more than a motto. It works. Rising with the sun saves money.
I’m on your side. Getting dark at 1645 is crapola.
Messing around with the clocks complicates real time computer controlled systems. Spring isn’t nearly as bad as Fall but they both keep some up at night fiddling with it.
This is the one energy conservation program that I find the least objectionable. Most of the year I get up before dawn anyway. It doesn't bother me.
The limitations on DST and double daylight savings time (DDST) should be determined by whether large numbers of children are going to be crossing the street in the dark: on their way to school in the morning, on their way home in the afternoon, and Trick-or-Treating on Halloween. Right now DST ends the first weekend after Halloween, and that's the reason.
No, we should dump non daylight savings time.
No they don’t. All the studies show that DST has no effect. The fact of the matter is when people are awake, regardless of what the clock says and where the sun is, they have the lights on. All the excuses for DST are lies, it’s stupid, accomplishes nothing. All it accomplishes is making you change your clock twice a year because the government said so.
“DST destroyed the drive in movie industry.”
Air conditioning killed the drive in movie industry.
It killed camping too.
My grandparents never got used to DST. They had two clocks in their house, one on what they called “slow time” and one on “fast time”. They lived on “slow time” all the time and only kept the “fast time” clock for when they had appointments or anything that involved the outside world. They lived to be about 90; and did it their way.
Everybody does go to work an hour earlier. That’s the point.
Instead of each individual company deciding to do it or not, we all agree to move the clocks.
Imagine a world where twice a year we have to figure out if the dry cleaner or supermarket have gone to “seasonal hours” or not.
No one cares if it i light at 4:30 am, but it is nice to have dusk at 9.
There should be thirteen 28 day months, every one starting on a Monday.
Each year there would be either one or two non-month days for festivals, celebration, and relaxation to make up the slack.
I tell my kids that every time I want to see them roll their eyes. Other than dividing the year into quarters it would be far better.
Balderdash - that's non-farmer talk for bull####. My uncle was a dyed-in-the-wool batchelor farmer who HATED daylight savings time. However, he had an easy solution: He simply left his clocks where they were. He only had to remember that the feed store closed an hour early in the summer. I can't imagine how DST would have any other effect on farmers.
I used to love Drive-ins.
I would blame their demise on Daylight Savings time because it never got dark, and the pressure of real estate being swallowed up as the population exploded when the 1965 Immigration Act started the world’s masses flowing into America.
By the time 8:30 or 9:00PM rolls around people would have settled on something else besides a double feature at the local drive-in which was going to get them home at 1:00AM.
DST has somewhere between no and negative effect on electric usage. It’s daylight now my lights are on.
The US Dept. of Transportation (DOT) concluded in 1975 that DST might reduce the country’s electricity usage by 1% during March and April, but the National Bureau of Standards (NBS) reviewed the DOT study in 1976 and found no significant savings.
In 2000 when parts of Australia began DST in late winter, overall electricity consumption did not decrease, but the morning peak load and prices increased.
In Western Australia during summer 200607, DST increased electricity consumption during hotter days and decreased it during cooler days, with consumption rising 0.6% overall.
Although a 2007 study estimated that introducing DST to Japan would reduce household lighting energy consumption, a 2007 simulation estimated that DST would increase overall energy use in Osaka residences by 0.13%, with a 0.02% decrease due to less lighting more than outweighed by a 0.15% increase due to extra cooling; neither study examined non-residential energy use. This is probably because DST’s effect on lighting energy use is mainly noticeable in residences.
A 2007 study found that the earlier start to DST that year had little or no effect on electricity consumption in California.
A 2007 study estimated that winter daylight saving would prevent a 2% increase in average daily electricity consumption in Great Britain. This paper was revised in October 2009 .
A 2008 study examined billing data in Indiana before and after it adopted DST in 2006, and concluded that DST increased overall residential electricity consumption by 1% to 4%, due mostly to extra afternoon cooling and extra morning heating; the main increases came in the fall. The overall annual cost of DST to Indiana households was estimated to be $9 million, with an additional $1.75.5 million for social costs due to increased pollution.
The US Dept. of Energy (DOE) concluded in a 2008 report that the 2007 US extension of DST saved 0.5% of electricity usage during the extended period. This report analyzed only the extension, not the full eight months of daylight saving, and did not examine the use of heating fuels.
I live in Arizona, we don’t observe it. When I look up at the position of the sun I can tell what time it is.
and I like it that way.
I’m always happy when DST is here-I like I like long evenings. I wish we had it year-round, because the winter dark just seems to come faster here in the hills, this is a rural area, and there isn’t enough light after paid work to do any outdoor chores and stuff.
Not for night shift workers.