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How a U.S. Citizen Came to Be in America’s Cross Hairs
New York Times ^

Posted on 03/09/2013 5:40:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver

How a U.S. Citizen Came to Be in America’s Cross Hairs By MARK MAZZETTI, CHARLIE SAVAGE and SCOTT SHANE

WASHINGTON — One morning in late September 2011, a group of American drones took off from an airstrip the C.I.A. had built in the remote southern expanse of Saudi Arabia. The drones crossed the border into Yemen, and were soon hovering over a group of trucks clustered in a desert patch of Jawf Province, a region of the impoverished country once renowned for breeding Arabian horses.

A group of men who had just finished breakfast scrambled to get to their trucks. One was Anwar al-Awlaki, the firebrand preacher, born in New Mexico, who had evolved from a peddler of Internet hatred to a senior operative in Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen. Another was Samir Khan, another American citizen who had moved to Yemen from North Carolina and was the creative force behind Inspire, the militant group’s English-language Internet magazine.

Two of the Predator drones pointed lasers on the trucks to pinpoint the targets, while the larger Reapers took aim. The Reaper pilots, operating their planes from thousands of miles away, readied for the missile shots, and fired.

It was the culmination of years of painstaking intelligence work, intense deliberation by lawyers working for President Obama and turf fights between the Pentagon and the C.I.A., whose parallel drone wars converged on the killing grounds of Yemen. For what was apparently the first time since the Civil War, the United States government had carried out the deliberate killing of an American citizen as a wartime enemy and without a trial.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Shut your mouth............
1 posted on 03/09/2013 5:40:07 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver

2 posted on 03/09/2013 5:41:14 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sub-Driver

I have no problem with this. Enemy combatants on the ground I unreachable by LEOs. That is completely different from on US soil.


3 posted on 03/09/2013 5:44:21 PM PST by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.b)
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To: piytar
i have a problem with the hypocrisy

A group of men who had just finished breakfast scrambled to get to their trucks. One was Anwar al-Awlaki, the firebrand preacher, born in New Mexico, who had evolved from a peddler of Internet hatred to a senior operative in Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen. Another was Samir Khan, another American citizen who had moved to Yemen from North Carolina and was the creative force behind Inspire, the militant group’s English-language Internet magazine.

If Bush was in office he would not be a "peddler of internet hatred" rather the d-bags at the NYSlimes would consider it legitimate gripes against America....
4 posted on 03/09/2013 5:48:25 PM PST by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: Travis McGee

A drone strike could have saved Obama the trouble of those embarrassing Hutaree acquittals.


5 posted on 03/09/2013 5:58:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: piytar

I think we could use a bit of restraint with the drone strikes overseas as well. Obama has been completely out of control with them.


6 posted on 03/09/2013 6:01:13 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sub-Driver
This isn't new...or news.Osama Obama’s DHS stated a couple of years ago that military veterans must be seen as potential domestic enemies.I,personally,assume that the US Government has been able to ascertain my exact location from FR (certainly with no collusion by the FR hierarchy) and has a drone on standby...just in case.
7 posted on 03/09/2013 6:16:27 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Sub-Driver

>Anwar al-Awlaki, the firebrand preacher, born in New Mexico ...... Another was Samir Khan, another American citizen who had moved to Yemen from North Carolina...<

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America has become the breeding ground for AQ.


8 posted on 03/09/2013 6:45:05 PM PST by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Isn’t Obamaland great?

Now go pay your taxes, your government is broke. :)


9 posted on 03/09/2013 7:26:54 PM PST by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: piytar

Looks like a valid military target. Just happened to be Americans. Unfortunately, 12 years into this we still don’t have a clear policy of what happens to these freaks if they are captured, or are in the U.S. that will always leave it a political football which misses the main issue. These people want to kill us.


10 posted on 03/09/2013 9:02:03 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2554068/posts

Treasury Designates Anwar Al-Aulaqi, Key Leader of Al-Qa’ida in the Arabian Peninsula
TREAS.gov - UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY - TG-779 ^ | July 16, 2010 | n/a
Posted on July 16, 2010 4:09:47 PM PDT by Cindy

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“BINARY EXPLOSIVES: FROM DISCUSSION TO IMPLEMENTATION”
INTERNET HAGANAH.com ^ | December 26, 2009 | Aaron Weisburd
Posted on December 26, 2009 2:37:05 PM PST by Cindy

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RE THE FORT HOOD MASSACRE - Background Link:

[Note: 14 killed if you include the unborn baby, which I do.]

Quote:

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ABC ^ | 05 NOV 09
Posted on November 5, 2009 12:18:55 PM PST by DCBryan1


11 posted on 03/09/2013 11:44:05 PM PST by Cindy
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To: piytar
Enemy combatants on the ground I unreachable by LEOs. That is completely different from on US soil.

Let's see what the article says:

One was Anwar al-Awlaki, the firebrand preacher, born in New Mexico, who had evolved from a peddler of Internet hatred to a senior operative in Al Qaeda’s branch in Yemen.

OK, "senior operative" whatever that is. What is in question is if he was a direct combatant posing an imminent threat to US citizens, which is the standard of the law. In my opinion, UNLESS he had direct means to make good on that threat, there should have been a finding by a court which is also the standard of the law. On the other hand...

Another was Samir Khan, another American citizen who had moved to Yemen from North Carolina and was the creative force behind Inspire, the militant group’s English-language Internet magazine.

A propagandist is not a combatant who poses an imminent threat to US citizens, not even close.

I have no problem killing these clowns, but unless they pose said threat, they should be killed only after a death warrant from a US court, perhaps analogous to a FISA court. Without clear lines of responsibility with checks on administrative overreach, you could find yourself on a video screen with your executioner 2,000 miles away, perhaps even in another country.

Killing Al Awlaki's kid was another matter. As a minor, there should be separate grounds for his death. As far as I am concerned, it was borderline murder, no matter what the little creep might have believed.

12 posted on 03/09/2013 11:47:29 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be "protected" by government.)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/samirkhan/index

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2605821/posts

NORTH CAROLINA MUSLIM ADMITS WORKING WITH AL QAEDA: “Proud to be an American Traitor”
JAWA REPORT - blog ^ | October 11, 2010 | By Hetz Shahor
Posted on October 12, 2010 1:12:46 AM PDT by Cindy

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Don’t Open That File, Memet!
INTERNET-HAGANAH.com ^ | 30 June 2010 | n/a
Posted on June 30, 2010 3:42:11 PM PDT by Cindy

NOTE: The following SNIPPET is a quote:

DON’T OPEN THAT FILE, MEMET!

With much fanfare, al-Malahim, the media arm of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, announced the imminent release of — and then subsequently did release — what they claimed was the first official English-language al-Qaida magazine. It’s called “Inspire” as in “Inspire the Believers” (as opposed to the Quranic edict to Incite the Believers. They did this with the full cooperation of the administrators of the al-Faloja forum in particular.

Interestingly, the first couple of pages of the document appear perfectly normal. Then things get weird...

(Excerpt) Read more at internet-haganah.com ...


13 posted on 03/09/2013 11:49:46 PM PST by Cindy
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SNIPPET from post no. 1:


Two of the Predator drones pointed lasers on the trucks to pinpoint the targets, while the larger Reapers took aim. The Reaper pilots, operating their planes from thousands of miles away, readied for the missile shots, and fired.

It was the culmination of years of painstaking intelligence work..."

14 posted on 03/09/2013 11:52:30 PM PST by Cindy
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To: cripplecreek

These overseas drone strikes are totally out of character for Militarily-pacifist 0bama. Think about it. So, what’s the purpose for them then? Practice for here.


15 posted on 03/09/2013 11:59:32 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: piytar

They’d just assume kill some innocent guy walking down the street and claim that person deserved it. Who knows.


16 posted on 03/10/2013 12:34:05 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

As Odinga’s book writer and mentor Bill Ayers instructed his Weather Underground to do, kill tens of millions of Americans after America was changed by revolution. Must rid the lands of the non-conformers and the ones that can not be retrained in the indoctrination camps.

Pre-planned targets, lists and raids before the non-conformers can balkanize into enclaves where rooting them out would be harder for his Brown Shirt Brigades and DHS TSA hit squads.

All part of the plans my FRiend, just tea leaving here .


17 posted on 03/10/2013 1:10:37 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

>> So, whats the purpose for them then? Practice for here.

Conditioning.


18 posted on 03/10/2013 3:54:27 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Tzimisce

They will generate a crisis red flag event to gain imaginary public support in order to validate using drones on America citizens, remember ruby ridge, waco........they cant wait!


19 posted on 03/10/2013 4:34:44 AM PDT by ronnie raygun
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To: Sub-Driver

I want to terminate Islamic terrorists no matter where they are.

Rand Paul says such monsters should be given the benefit of our laws.

I say “no.”


20 posted on 03/10/2013 7:04:23 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: God luvs America; piytar

I have a problem with the hypocrisy as well.


21 posted on 03/10/2013 7:07:26 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator
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To: 353FMG

HOW are these people being converted to radical Islam?

Did they just wake up one monrning, saying “I just HATE those moralistic, lying Christians and Jews, and the country for which they stand.”

Because Islam does truly hate all of what the United States and Israel are and stand for, nations with a heritage of being upstanding and righteous people who have founded the nations in which they live and reside on principles of belief in God and the exercise of free will in the direction of individual freedoms and a moral compass tied to belief in a just diety.

Where well publicized or not, the Islamic doctrines are being preached right now in our prisons and rehabilitation facilities, on the same basis as other religions, but not for the same reasons. Islam is raising a domestic insurrection, where the other faiths are all trying to reabsorb the erring person back into the wider society.


22 posted on 03/10/2013 7:14:12 AM PDT by alloysteel (What is all too obvious, is not obvious to all. Until it is too late to reverse course.)
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To: Travis McGee

The NY Times gets around to covering exactly why Rand Paul’s filibuster and Cruz’s grilling of Holder over droning US citizens in a café was spot on:

“Then, on Oct. 14, a missile apparently intended for an Egyptian Qaeda operative, Ibrahim al-Banna, hit a modest outdoor eating place in Shabwa. The intelligence was bad: Mr. Banna was not there, and among about a dozen men killed was the young Abdulrahman al-Awlaki, who had no connection to terrorism and would never have been deliberately targeted.

“It was a tragic error and, for the Obama administration, a public relations disaster, further muddying the moral clarity of the previous strike on his father and fueling skepticism about American assertions of drones’ surgical precision.”

Of course, NY Times give no credence to Cruz and Paul.

Meanwhile NY Times received briefings from national security officials no the contents of the secret drone-killing authorization memos and acts as an Obama-Admin excuse-making media channel by uncritically rebutting claims of hypocrisy compared to the Bush “Unitary Executive” theory:

“As they researched the rarely invoked overseas-murder statute, Mr. Barron and Mr. Lederman discovered a 1997 district court decision involving a woman who was charged with killing her child in Japan. A judge ruled that the terse overseas-killing law must be interpreted as incorporating the exceptions of its domestic-murder counterpart, writing, “Congress did not intend to criminalize justifiable or excusable killings.”

“And by arguing that it is not unlawful “murder” when the government kills an enemy leader in war or national self-defense, Mr. Barron and Mr. Lederman concluded that the foreign-killing statute would not impede a strike. They had not resorted to the Bush-style theories they had once denounced of sweeping presidential war powers to disregard Congressionally imposed limitations.

“Due to return to academia in the fall of 2010, the two lawyers finished their second Awlaki memorandum, whose reasoning was widely approved by other administration lawyers, that summer. It had ballooned to about 63 pages but remained narrowly tailored to Mr. Awlaki’s circumstances, blessing lethal force against him without addressing whether it would also be permissible to kill citizens, like low-ranking members of Al Qaeda, in other situations.

“Nearly three years later, a version of the legal analysis portions would become public in the “white paper,” which stripped out all references to Mr. Awlaki while retaining echoes, like its discussion of a generic “senior operational leader.” Divorced from its original context and misunderstood as a general statement about the scope and limits of the government’s authority to kill citizens, the free-floating reasoning would lead to widespread confusion.”


23 posted on 03/10/2013 9:41:00 AM PDT by Seizethecarp (Defend aircraft from "runway kill zone" mini-drone helicopter swarm attacks: www.runwaykillzone.com)
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To: alloysteel

“Islam is raising a domestic insurrection....”

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It’s up to the authorities to stop this practice but they are blind to its dangers.

Or perhaps it is all done intentionally as part of the general movement to destroy this nation first and then the Constitution next.

And do not contact your congressman to alert him to the situation because all you can expect from him/her is to receive a rediculous survey form through the mail with a request for a contribution.


24 posted on 03/10/2013 9:59:09 AM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I dont see the big fuss.

We Limeys used to kill British citizens (members of the IRA and INLA). If we could arrest them, great. If we had to kill them, so be it.

You turn against your country and attempt to harm it, you pay the consequences of your violent actions.


25 posted on 03/11/2013 5:13:40 AM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: piytar

D*mn... there it is...
I couldn’t put my finger on it, but you nailed it, sir.

The only reason to use a drone is when our law enforcement is not capable of reaching the accused.

And law enforcement in our own nation, on our own soil, should be much closer to Sheriff Andy than it is to Special Forces Ninja Bob.


26 posted on 03/11/2013 5:16:49 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: the scotsman
You turn against your country and attempt to harm it, you pay the consequences of your violent actions.

Well.. here we have due process. Who and what determines the purported "violent actions" and the guilt of the accused? I don't pretend to know the methodologies as to how the Brit government concludes who's a legitimate target, but over here those details need to be fleshed out. The idea of any president playing the role of judge, jury and executioner tends to rub us Americans the wrong way.

27 posted on 03/11/2013 6:04:46 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: ScottinVA

So do we. We cant go around killing UK citizens willy-nilly. But when it happened/happens, there was/is less wailing and gnashing of teeth.

The law should aid defence and security not hinder.


28 posted on 03/11/2013 1:58:47 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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To: MrB

Don’t be too sure about that...

“”The problem is if they think they (the citizens) are not doing anything that’s wrong, they don’t get to define that. The central government does, the central government defines what is right and wrong and whether or not they target you. So, it’s not up to the individuals. Even if they think they aren’t doing something wrong, if their position on something is against what the administration has, then they could easily become a target.”

-— William Binney, National Security Agency

Also, don’t forget that Abu Brennen refers to you as a free range kafir in dar al harb...a harbi.

A little refresher:

“Know the Enemy—Sun Tsu, The Art of War

Before we start, we need the right words if we are to have the right thoughts.

Islam claims that all who do not submit are kafirs (unbelievers). A kafir is hated by Allah and Allah plots against the kafir. Over 60% of the Koran is devoted to the kafir. A kafir may be killed, robbed, raped, enslaved, tortured and mocked. Every mention of the kafir is negative, demeaning, insulting and hurtful. Unbeliever is a neutral word. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.

The second word we need is dhimmi. The original dhimmis were Christians and Jews who got to keep their religion, but lived in a totally Islamic culture. Today a dhimmi is a kafir who apologizes for Islam.”

http://www.politicalislam.com/blog/an-ethical-basis-for-war-against-political-islam-part-1-2/


29 posted on 03/11/2013 4:54:25 PM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: piytar
I have no problem with this. Enemy combatants on the ground I unreachable by LEOs. That is completely different from on US soil.

The term "enemy combatants" is a horrible one that only recently came into use* and is essentially the granting of rights/privileges to the terrorist class. You see in the Geneva and Hague [conventions] there are "lawful" and "unlawful" combatants; Al Queda and the like are "unlawful combatants" [one thing is they are not uniformed soldiers] and therefore are not entitled to *any* of the the POW guarantees.

30 posted on 03/12/2013 12:01:36 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Carry_Okie
A propagandist is not a combatant who poses an imminent threat to US citizens, not even close.

Thank you!

Thank you very much!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_Rose
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Toguri_D'Aquino
 
 

31 posted on 03/12/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: the scotsman

“So do we. We cant go around killing UK citizens willy-nilly. But when it happened/happens, there was/is less wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

On the contrary there was rather more “wailing and gnashing” in the UK over the shooting of Irish terrorists than has been evinced in the US over this Yemen incident.

You might not recall the brouhaha surrounding the killing of three IRA activists in Gibraltar in 1988 but it was pretty huge with Maggie’s Attorney General having to make statements in the House of Commons and major TV and press investigations.

Equally there were decades-long police investigations into the shootings of many IRA and INLA terrorists in the “shoot to kill” inquiries (does John Stalker’s name ring a bell?).

The controversy surrounded precisely the same legal issues that arise here, ie whether armed agents of the state can simply shoot suspected terrorists on sight.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:14 AM PDT by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick

True, but that was the usual leftist suspects. Political and esp media. There was far more support in the general public for that operation and others like Loughhall.

I am 42. I remember all the mentioned controversies well. And I didnt forget them when I answered.

I think my point is valid. Bar a few incidents over the years like 1988, there has been little public disquiet about Britain killing its own citizens. Maybe because unlike America, we have had decades of murderous terrorism in our own backyard that killed thousands.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 2:53:56 PM PDT by the scotsman (i)
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