Another way to look at the 2012 election is: results by Congressional District.
We might note that outside of "haughty" New England, there are red districts in almost every state.
And Southern states look no more "red" than many others.
Posted on 03/10/2013 8:19:44 AM PDT by BroJoeK
You mean a history student like you?
Virginia went for Obama by over 6 points in 2008 and by about 4 points in 2012.
Ref: Dave Leip's Atlas of U.S. Presidential Elections
Well not Virginia it seems. So I guess it's the South (except Virginia or Florida and sometimes North Carolina). But the real conservative area are the plains states: Oklahoma up through Kansas and Nebraska and Missouri, the Dakotas, Montana, and Idaho. That's the most consistently conservative part of the country over the past 80 years or so.
I fully expect the next secession the south will be joined with the mid western mountain states to form one Confederated country(whatever you want to call it). I also expect Virgina will divide(again).
Excellent point. I agree that in 1861, there was no possibility of a seaborne invasion of South Carolina -- in later years, yes, but in 1861, it was not a possibility. The Army would have had to move over land in 1861.
If Virginia had decided they did not want to supply regiments in response to Lincoln's call, that would have been a separate issue which could have been argued in congress and the courts for years.
But somehow, the neo-confederates claim even allowing the US Army to simply march through Virginia, without any Virginia regiments, on their way to South Carolina was a good enough excuse for secession.
If there had been a slave uprising or foreign invasion in South Carolina, would they still feel so offended if the US Army, even without any Virginia regiments, marched through their state to put that rebellion or invasion down?
It is sophistry to pretend that Lincoln's call for troops caused Virginia's secession. It was simply an excuse used by the radical pro-secessionist side to inflame public opinion, not a justifiable cause in the least.
And again X, I always appreciate your thoughtful posts.
I expect to call it Non-Obamaland and I don't expect Virginia to be part of it.
I also expect Virgina will divide(again).
It must just tear you up that the part that split off the last time is conservative while the part you're living in is a blue state.
West Virginia is not a reliably conservative state in national elections and it's by and large a Democrat state as far as state government goes. For all the bureaucrats, takers and leeches in the DC bubble of NoVa dragging Virginia leftward, they manage to elect a Republican governor time and again. West Virginia does not.
So, I'd be interested in your take on just how West Virginia is more conservative than Virginia.
AN ORDINANCE to dissolve the union now existing between the State of Arkansas and the other States united with her under the compact entitled “The Constitution of the United States of America.”
Whereas, in addition to the well-founded causes of complaint set forth by this convention, in resolutions adopted on the 11th of March, A.D. 1861, against the sectional party now in power in Washington City, headed by Abraham Lincoln, he has, in the face of resolutions passed by this convention pledging the State of Arkansas to resist to the last extremity any attempt on the part of such power to coerce any State that had seceded from the old Union, proclaimed to the world that war should be waged against such States until they should be compelled to submit to their rule, and large forces to accomplish this have by this same power been called out, and are now being marshaled to carry out this inhuman design; and to longer submit to such rule, or remain in the old Union of the United States, would be disgraceful and ruinous to the State of Arkansas:
Therefore we, the people of the State of Arkansas, in convention assembled, do hereby declare and ordain, and it is hereby declared and ordained, That the “ordinance and acceptance of compact” passed and approved by the General Assembly of the State of Arkansas on the 18th day of October, A.D. 1836, whereby it was by said General Assembly ordained that by virtue of the authority vested in said General Assembly by the provisions of the ordinance adopted by the convention of delegates assembled at Little Rock for the purpose of forming a constitution and system of government for said State, the propositions set forth in “An act supplementary to an act entitled `An act for the admission of the State of Arkansas into the Union, and to provide for the due execution of the laws of the United States within the same, and for other purposes,’” were freely accepted, ratified, and irrevocably confirmed, articles of compact and union between the State of Arkansas and the United States, and all other laws and every other law and ordinance, whereby the State of Arkansas became a member of the Federal Union, be, and the same are hereby, in all respects and for every purpose herewith consistent, repealed, abrogated, and fully set aside; and the union now subsisting between the State of Arkansas and the other States, under the name of the United States of America, is hereby forever dissolved.
And we do further hereby declare and ordain, That the State of Arkansas hereby resumes to herself all rights and powers heretofore delegated to the Government of the United States of America; that her citizens are absolved from all allegiance to said Government of the United States, and that she is in full possession and exercise of all the rights and sovereignty which appertain to a free and independent State.
We do further ordain and declare, That all rights acquired and vested under the Constitution of the United States of America, or of any act or acts of Congress, or treaty, or under any law of this State, and not incompatible with this ordinance, shall remain in full force and effect, in nowise altered or impaired, and have the same effect as if this ordinance had not been passed.
Wow, those folks truly lived the old axiom of “Having their cake and eating it too”. But then, as democrats they would, wouldn’t they?
;-)
For anyone curious: I did a word search, and on this thread, the word in bold-underline above has been posted twice, and once quoted from previous posting.
All appearances of "that word" originated from central_va.
Please note, my reluctance to repeat "that word" here is due to the commonly held belief that people who use it thereby acknowledge they've lost the argument.
Of course, possibly I "goaded" central_va by mentioning Germans in both World Wars, but am pretty sure that even central_va would admit: "Germans" no more equated to "that word" than, oh, say, "Southerners" equated to slave-holders, right?
;-)
Another way to look at the 2012 election is: results by Congressional District.
We might note that outside of "haughty" New England, there are red districts in almost every state.
And Southern states look no more "red" than many others.
Virginia went for Obama in the last two elections while West Virginia did not. I'd call that a pretty good indicator.
First, it's important to note that when the issue was only secession to protect slavery, the entire Upper South including Arkansas, voted "no".
At that point the Confederacy consisted of just seven Deep South states with a total white population of 2.5 million, and almost as many slaves -- out of 27 million total US whites.
But, second, once war started at Fort Sumter, then the Upper South felt compelled to chose the Confederacy.
Arkansas formally declared secession on May 6, 1861, the same day the Confederacy formally declared war on the United States.
Adding the Upper South more than doubled the Confederacy's white population.
Third, quoting the Arkansas declaration:
In fact Lincoln's April 15 proclamation said no such thing, even after the Confederate assault on Federal troops in Fort Sumter:
Finally, Lincoln's call for 75,000 troops on April 15 was still fewer than the 100,000 troops the Confederacy already called up on March 6, plus another 400,000 they called on May 9.
Sorry, my mistake, should have addressed you in post #791 above.
If you were to ask 10 random people in the usa which region is the most conservative region in the country, how many of them would say the north? NONE, that’s how many. All would say South or Central-West. You know it to be true because it is true. You are being purposely obdurate. Your credibility is shot.
Union uber alles
There is no argument to lose; you are regurgitating the same reconstructed bull$h1t history we were all ladled in public school. No original thought here on your part. You are showing yourself to be well indoctrinated, just like a good little Nazi.
How indoctrinated does someone get when they think the South is NOT the most conservative region in the USA? How f-ed up is your mind?
You can't even concede on well established current facts how could anyone convince you about 150 ago? You fit the classic definition of a brainwashed person, which is what the public school do to children. Perhaps you went to private school; I have no idea, I am a product of the public school inculcation and the reconstructed BS history they espouse myself. Some as adults, study original sources and rise above it, some don't.
You do. Worse, actually. If not for personal insults you’d have nothing. But that goes along with being nothing.
I was referring to Madison’s standards. Neo-comm standards are irrelevant.
Neo-comms have no credibility to shoot.
I used to think John Wilkes Booth was an idiot for making “Him” a martyr. Having participated in these WBTS threads for 5 years now, I am now questioning my conclusion in that regard....
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