Skip to comments.Gun Nuts vs Anti-Gun Nuts
Posted on 03/11/2013 7:43:39 AM PDT by Kaslin
The battle rages on about whether this country wants to further restrict the availability of guns, the types of guns and the ammunition to be used in those guns. On one side is what is referred to as the Gun Nuts with the point being taken by the NRA. Then there are the Anti-Gun Nuts - you dont hear that term do you? They are being led by many -- including our President -- who states he is just proposing common sense changes. Then there are those of us caught in the middle of a gun fight.
There are plenty of people like us who dont own a gun and are appalled by the whole thing. We abhor the violence, but seriously question the arguments to restrict the second amendment. The only proposal we can see as logical is the expansion of background checks. Logic makes us question why you have to go through a background check if you go to a gun shop or Wal-Mart, but if you attend a gun show you dont have to go through a check.
But we are not duped by the idea that background checks will put the kibosh on guns being sold to criminals. It will make it marginally more challenging, but bad guys will obtain guns in ways upstanding citizens cannot envision. The worst part is that it will do nothing to stop these mass murderers from arming. The proposed provisions will alter nothing to stop a Jared Loughner, who was blatantly mentally ill, from getting a gun. The Medical Community, with HIPAA (privacy) laws which protect medical records, and people soft on this issue have stopped that from happening. This is certainly something the NRA has on their side as they have been attempting to restrict gun availability for the mentally ill for 20 years. Adam Lanza was obviously severely mentally ill. After shooting his mother up close and personal, he went to a school, pointed a pistol at small children and shot them one by one. He was not only sick; he was clearly evil, yet not institutionalized.
There are two things that particularly irk us about the arguments from the Anti-Gun Nuts. They use these mass murders as a launching pad for their new laws whether there is a connection or not. These mass murders are usually done by deranged white people against other white people. Think about it: when are the most memorable arguments are made against guns? Here are a few: after Ronald Reagan was shot, Columbine, Gabby Giffords and Newtown. Yet, Black people are slaughtered on a daily basis in major cities from Boston to Los Angeles, with the worst cases being our nations capital and the new king of murders Chicago. While these mass murders are going on daily we rarely hear anything about new gun laws. There are two principal reasons. The first is that in most of these areas there are already stringent gun control laws without any concealed weapon laws that would allow private citizens to protect themselves. The other reason that we have to face is that this society does not care that much. As long as all those killing are over there and not near us, who really cares? We have our private patrols, secured buildings and gated communities.
The other reality for us caught in-between comes down to the fact that, in the end, we dont have faith in our government to protect us. The Anti-Gun Nuts sneer at that thought. We recently saw a quote that encapsulates their thinking. Police Chief Ken James of Emeryville in Northern California stated One issue that boggles my mind is the idea that a gun is a defensive weapon. That is a myth. A gun is an offensive weapon used to intimidate and used to show power. But if you are in your home and someone is entering that home to possibly rob you, rape your wife and maybe severely harm you, a gun is not an offensive weapon. But James like many Anti-Gun Nuts thinks we should have total faith in the police to protect us.
Those of us who lived through the Rodney King riots would argue with that. Let us remember when that riot began -- after the verdict was announced. A man was dragged out of his car and beaten to near death. What did the police do? They withdrew. There was no immediate show of overwhelming force and thus the fuse was lit that set off the bomb. It was not until the fourth day of rioting that the National Guard showed up and matters began to get under control.
The rest of us sat in our offices, restaurants, and homes wondering whether the rioters were going to leave South Central (Los Angeles) and start moving into Beverly Hills, Century City, and the San Fernando Valley. We were scared that Chief Daryl Gates decision to pull back and not engage left us defenseless. People who never thought of gun ownership before talked of changing their minds. Assuredly from that time, many have acquired guns while questioning the level of protection the police actual provide. That large event plays out daily on a smaller scale every day in communities across America. To Protect and Serve may be the motto of the LAPD, but they are almost exclusively a reactionary force appearing after the crime or murder has occurred. The biggest hurdle for the cause of new gun laws is not the NRA. It is the fact that we the people stuck in the middle dont buy the arguments of the Anti-Gun Nuts. We see Anti-Gun Nuts talking about guns that says they are truly clueless about guns. We see them making emotional arguments based on newsworthy attacks. But most of all we understand that the Thin Blue Line truly is a Thin Blue Line.
:: Then there are the Anti-Gun Nuts ::
These are not “Anti-Gun Nuts”. They are rightly “Enemies of the US Constitution” and should be revealed, publicly, as such!.
“...Logic makes us question why you have to go through a background check if you go to a gun shop or Wal-Mart, but if you attend a gun show you dont have to go through a check...”
Because if you cannot readily sell something you own then you don’t really have ownership.
Some say automobiles are bureacratically regulated upon their private sales. But that regulation involving the title is regulated by the various states with the average sale price being thousands of dollars. Even with the titlel transfer the transaction can be instantly accomplished.
This proposed extention of background checks brings the Feds into the humble transfer of $150 shotguns between cousins and the Feds already have too much on their hands.
This person is either ill-informed or intentionally misleading his own readers - this is pure misinformation regarding the difference between private sales and sales by dealers at a gun shows where probably 95% (or better) of sales ARE by dealers who do NICs checks.
*** People who never thought of gun ownership before talked of changing their minds.****
In the 1990s gun control was on a roll! It was coming like a steamroller and nothing could stop it. Assault rifles had been banned and they were yelling for more controls on other firearms!
Then 19 arabs, armed with boxcutters, slammed four airliners into buildings and a field killing 3000 civilians. Suddenly Americans, who would not have considered owning a firearm, woke up and realized an assault rifle with lots of ammo just might come in handy after all.
Gun control went into decline, but is now, like a viper, is beginning to raise it’s ugly head again. Time to stomp that snake before it gains ground.
I await the day in which the NRA can tell me how it is possible to determine who is "mentally ill" and who is not by instant background check. In the mean time, I work for the day in which we have courts for institutionalizing the mentally ill, at which point, the question for the NRA becomes moot.
That wasn't what did it. It was John Lott's book that started the CCW trend. As murder rates fell in every state that instituted more liberal gun laws, that trend became a tide. That's why the left is so desperate to get these new background checks in place for purposes of future confiscation. They know there will be no way to turn that tide once the full effect of DC v. Heller in both DC and Chicago is established.
Yeah and the TSA is allowing travelers to bring 21/2 inch blade pocket knifes with them on the planes. New TSA Rules Allow Passengers To Bring Small Knives Aboard Planes
The box cutters the terrorists used on 9/11 2001 had smaller blades
Obama only suggesting “common sense” controls! We already know HIS record with regard to common sense.
Gun control hasn't been going as well as the MSM would have us believe.
The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...
And in the last two months... (Dec. 2012 and Jan. 2013)
They couldn't possibly collect them as fast as we are buying them. ;-)
While the gun vs. anti-gun argument rages, conservatives really need to hit the left from an unexpected direction: by calling for the streamlining of the death penalty, with the goal that those convicted of murder and sentenced to death by the states should be executed within 5 years, to start. Eventually reducing that time to 2 years.
With the house and senate judiciary committees setting the rules for federal judges, they could do the following:
1) Declare the states to be “competent” to execute, so that how they execute is outside of federal scrutiny. No more multi-year delays over technique.
2) Declare that death penalty appeals automatically go to the head of the appellate docket, and that hearing delays will be limited to one month for each side, and one month at the judge’s discretion.
3) Limit the ability of federal judges to overturn, but only to return cases to the trial court for consideration.
4) Require the consolidation of appeals.
This has everything to do with the gun debate, because from the leftist perspective, stopping the death penalty trumps gun control. Hopefully this would divert their resources away from gun control.
“Adam Lanza was obviously severely mentally ill. After shooting his mother up close and personal, he went to a school, pointed a pistol at small children and shot them one by one. He was not only sick; he was clearly evil, yet not institutionalized”
Obviously, Mr Bialosky hasn’t read the company line. The children were killed by an evil “black rifle”, not by Adam Lanza.
Where in the world did this guy get the idea a pistol was involved?
Based on all his other bum dope, I suspect it is because he is an anti-gun hack posing a pro-gun. A variant of the "I am a gun owner, but . . ."
Logic makes us question why you have to go through a background check if you go to a gun shop or Wal-Mart, but if you attend a gun show you dont have to go through a check.
Logic makes me question why the author lies.
Well, I have to say I like our odds...