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AP Enterprise: Nixon wished for total handgun ban
Associated Press ^ | Mar. 11, 2013 8:35 AM EDT | Frederic J. Frommer

Posted on 03/11/2013 10:32:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Few presidents in modern times have been as interested in gun control as Richard Nixon, of all people. He proposed ridding the market of Saturday night specials, contemplated banning handguns altogether and refused to pander to gun owners by feigning interest in their weapons.

Several previously unreported Oval Office recordings and White House memos from the Nixon years show a conservative president who at times appeared willing to take on the National Rifle Association, a powerful gun lobby then as now, even as his aides worried about the political ramifications.

“I don’t know why any individual should have a right to have a revolver in his house,” Nixon said in a taped conversation with aides. “The kids usually kill themselves with it and so forth.” He asked why “can’t we go after handguns, period?” …

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; nixon; secondamendment; trickydicky
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Uh-huh . . . the fellow who signed the EPA, OSHA and Amtrak into existence is still a “conservative” because the partisan libs want to paint him so.
1 posted on 03/11/2013 10:32:50 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

No lie. This guy was the ORIGINAL RINO.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 10:34:20 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Olog-hai

If the Libtards were ever honest with themselves (Obese Chance); this simple iteration should scare them sufficiently to never trust anybody who would take your guns away.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 10:35:29 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: Olog-hai

This is how stupid republicans are. Allow them to vilify Nixon, Bush, etc. But then let the liberal media cite Nixon as a republican supporter of gun control.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 10:37:10 AM PDT by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: Olog-hai

So this is supposed to be a liberal “back-at-ya” type of discovery, when everyone knows that Nixon was the original big government RINO?


5 posted on 03/11/2013 10:37:26 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: Olog-hai

Apparently Nixon’s anti commie schtick was just that, a gimmick. The only thing good about him is that he was HATED by liberals, as was Agnew. I think Spiro might have actually been conservative, he sure had lots of fun things to say about libs.


6 posted on 03/11/2013 10:40:23 AM PDT by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Olog-hai
Uh-huh . . . the fellow who signed the EPA, OSHA and Amtrak into existence is still a “conservative” because the partisan libs want to paint him so.

And don't forget price and wage controls.
7 posted on 03/11/2013 10:40:52 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Olog-hai
Conservative?!? Nixon? JFK was arguable more conservative than Nixon, especially on economic issues. But, quite frankly in the Post-FDR, Pre-Reagan years, there was no such thing as a conservative president, whether they had an R or a D next to their name, they were all “New Deal” progressives.
8 posted on 03/11/2013 10:41:20 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Olog-hai

Why would it surprise anyone that a Quaker would be anti-gun?


9 posted on 03/11/2013 10:41:30 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Olog-hai

Oh .. and Harry Blackmun.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 10:41:30 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("C'est la vie" say the old folks, it goes to show you never can tell. -- Chuck Berry)
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To: Olog-hai

RIchard NixOn.

Indeed, Nixon was a Rockefeller Republican without the Rockefeller fortune.

He took Nelson Rockefeller’s foreign policy advisor, Dr. Henry Kissinger, into his administration.

Nixon said “we can’t run the world without China” and Dr. Kissinger set up the opening to China that was cemented by the Nixon visit to Beijing.

RINO-New World Order all the way-Richard M. Nixon.

He did have a grudge against the media and the liberal media returned the enmity in spades.

Nixon’s legacy lives on with his former media man Roger Ailes setting up a news channel to promote public support of a Nixon-RINO vision of the world. Fox News Channel is “Nixon’s revenge” on his former liberal media enemies.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 10:42:27 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: Olog-hai

Don’t blame me. I voted for Rep.John Ashbrook (R-Ohio) in the 1972 California primary and Rep. John Schmitz (R-Calif.) the American Independent Party candidate, in the general election.


12 posted on 03/11/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: HerrBlucher

George W. Bush was also hated by liberals. As was John McCain. Apparently behaving as liberal as possible while still pandering to conservatives and being in the “wrong party” remains the cardinal sin to libs.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 10:42:53 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Well, Nixon go it, din’t he? In Vietnam!


14 posted on 03/11/2013 10:43:28 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Olog-hai

So somehow the libs are making the Nixon-wanted-it argument to make their point? That’s not exactly a wise move. Ah, well... go for it libs... you’ve found another way to lose.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 10:43:31 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: nuconvert

Better ask the libs. They’re surprised at lots of reality, mainly because they don’t “do” reality 99 percent of the time, i.e. until it invades their personal space.


16 posted on 03/11/2013 10:44:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This is good actually. Let the liberals jump on the Nixon bandwagon “see ... See ...Nixon was a Republican and he wanted to ban handguns ... See”. Then we say “right. Nixon did not have much use for the Constitution either. Sure you want to hold up Nixon as an example?””


17 posted on 03/11/2013 10:44:46 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Fiji Hill

Don’t blame me, I pooped in the diapers during that election!


18 posted on 03/11/2013 10:44:46 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Olog-hai
show a conservative president who at times appeared willing to take on the National Rifle Association

"Conservative" my a$$. RMN may have been somewhat right of center as Ike's VP, but as President? Oh, HELL no!

19 posted on 03/11/2013 10:44:49 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: Olog-hai
Uh-huh . . . the fellow who signed the EPA, OSHA and Amtrak into existence is still a “conservative” because the partisan libs want to paint him so.

Don't forget his wage and price controls, either.

20 posted on 03/11/2013 10:54:15 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: apillar
But, quite frankly in the Post-FDR, Pre-Reagan years, there was no such thing as a conservative president, whether they had an R or a D next to their name, they were all “New Deal” progressives.

One way or another they were children of the New Deal, the Great Depression, and the World Wars, so they were more in favor of big government than people are today. You aren't going to find Republicans today professing as much support big government as Nixon (or Ford or Eisenhower).

But the question and the objection is whether in practice, as opposed to rhetoric, the party or the country ever got very far away from that, even with Reagan. No Republican is going to propose or do the things that Nixon did or proposed -- wage and price controls, a guaranteed national income, an handgun ban -- but nobody is seriously going to "dismantle the New Deal" (whatever that might actually involve).

21 posted on 03/11/2013 10:54:39 AM PDT by x
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To: Revolting cat!

Nope, it was JFK who did that.


22 posted on 03/11/2013 11:01:22 AM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: Olog-hai

Are they quoting a paranoid control freak as their rationality for gun control?


23 posted on 03/11/2013 11:08:16 AM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Olog-hai

So, Nixon was another Republican that didn’t get it? Surprise!


24 posted on 03/11/2013 11:10:10 AM PDT by ryan71 (The repubican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: Olog-hai

who cares what nixon thought? nixon was wrong on a great many things, that’s all that proves.


25 posted on 03/11/2013 11:15:47 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Liberals were in search of another talking point. They’re counting on low-information voters to not recognize Nixon as a liberal due to his party affiliation.


26 posted on 03/11/2013 11:16:44 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
show a conservative president ...

Richard Nixon wasn't a conservative by a longshot. He was a Republican. Dishonest journalists love to intentionally interchange the two terms.
27 posted on 03/11/2013 11:18:29 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: HerrBlucher
Apparently Nixon’s anti commie schtick was just that, a gimmick. The only thing good about him is that he was HATED by liberals, as was Agnew. I think Spiro might have actually been conservative, he sure had lots of fun things to say about libs.

However, Nixon did nail Alger Hiss, and for that, he deserves kudos.

Spiro Agnew was a Nelson Rockefeller man until Rockefeller dropped out of the presidential race early in 1968. When he dropped back in again later in the year, Agnew had become a Nixon man. It is said that during his vice presidency, Agnew was reading National Review and other conservative publications, so his views may have been evolving.

28 posted on 03/11/2013 11:21:04 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: Olog-hai
Nixon?

Conservative?

Anyone remember his wage and price controls?

29 posted on 03/11/2013 11:31:59 AM PDT by jdege
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To: Olog-hai

He should have been impeached for imposing wage and price controls.


30 posted on 03/11/2013 11:32:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Lazamataz

No wonder he and Clinton got along so well.


31 posted on 03/11/2013 11:33:00 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

The Dems would never have regarded charges like that as worthwhile to pursue.


32 posted on 03/11/2013 11:35:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: apillar

JFK was the man who destroyed America, without his election America would have survived, and would still be relatively healthy today, instead of being in an advanced stage of the process of it’s people being replaced.


33 posted on 03/11/2013 11:39:46 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: ansel12

Archie Bunker was right, “This country was ruined by Franklin Delano Roooosevelt.”


34 posted on 03/11/2013 11:40:29 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: ansel12

JFK was a mediocre President, who is only lionized because he died in office.


35 posted on 03/11/2013 11:41:42 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Olog-hai

Aren’t Quakers pacifists, in general?


36 posted on 03/11/2013 11:45:50 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: dfwgator
“This country was ruined by Franklin Delano Roooosevelt.”

Roosevelt ruined it, the election of JFK, killed it.

37 posted on 03/11/2013 11:59:11 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Lazamataz
This guy was the ORIGINAL RINO.

I won't argue with a word of that, Lazamataz, though I'll go so far as to state I always regarded Nixon as a representative of the Democratic [sic] party in all but name.

38 posted on 03/11/2013 12:00:22 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Cyber Liberty
Sure, even going so far as to send a declaration of such to King Charles II of England:
We utterly deny all outward wars and strife, and fightings with outward weapons, for any end, or under any pretense whatever; this is our testimony to the whole world. The Spirit of Christ by which we are guided is not changeable, so as once to command us from a thing as evil, and again to move unto it; and we certainly know, and testify to the world, that the Spirit of Christ, which leads us into all truth, will never move us to fight and war against any man with outward weapons, neither for the kingdom of Christ, nor for the kingdoms of this world.
Not practical if you are a head of state, though, charged with protecting the rights of the people.
39 posted on 03/11/2013 12:02:36 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Nextrush

Nixon was nowhere near a conservative by our standards today, but when you compare him to the candidates and platform of the Dems back then, he was Edmund Burke.


40 posted on 03/11/2013 12:19:36 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Not now, Not ever!
Nope, it was JFK who did that.
Actually, it was Eisenhower. But JFK put in 1000 (or more) advisers ... and supposedly was going to order a withdrawal from VN when he was killed.
But if anyone really got us into VN, it was LBJ.
41 posted on 03/11/2013 12:51:34 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Olog-hai
A fifteen yard penalty for piling on! Of 40+ comments so far, the vast majority attack Richard Nixon. Shame on those who are castigating President Nixon without acknowledging the positive things that he did! Honestly, this thread is sounding more like the MSN than FreeRepublic! In none of the comments (so far), has Operation Nickel Grass even been mentioned!

To those who are too young to remember, or are who are unwilling to grudgingly admit, President Nixon's actions were a major reason that Israel won the Yom Kippur War, and did not go nuclear on the Arabs! Because of Watergate, all decisions on any foreign adventures had to go through Henry Kissinger. Despite this, and Spiro Agnew's resignation, President Nixon stubbornly insisted that Operation Nickel Grass, the air-resupply (and later maritime re-supply) to the IDF of war materiel during the Yom Kippur War, take priority over everything else! This re-supply prevented a rout of the IDF by the millitary of four Arab countries, supported by six Muslim countries, the Soviets, Cuba and the Norks. It should be noted that only Portugal and the Netherlands allowed US aircraft carrying supplies for Israel to refuel at their bases because of the fear of an Arab oil embargo.

According to Bill McKay, Producer of Against All Odds: In Search of a Miracle, President Nixon, as a child growing up in Whittier, CA, was read stories of Old Testament heroes by his mother. One day, she told him that he would someday be in a powerful position and able to save the Jewish people. In 1973, Golda Meir exhausted all efforts to get US assistance through Henry Kissinger, and finally called President Nixon directly, explaining that without assistance from the US, Israel would be lost. Remembering what his mother said, he signed an EO and directed her to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs to request what was needed. Doubtless, if Nixon had not followed the leading of the Holy Spirit, the Lord would have still defeated the Arabs, but Nixon chose to follow His leading and re-supply the IDF.

Among the over 100,00 tons of war materiel supplied were 40 F-4 Phantoms and 46 A-4 Skyhawks, some of which came from USAF units, and many of which saw use during this war, providing the IAF with air superiority. While much of the additional materiel arrived after the cease-fire, it allowed the IAF more freedom in their planning and execution of the war.

As a side note, for me as a somewhat conservative Canadian, the contempt that President Nixon had for Pierre Turd-owe and Turd-owe's contempt for him, suggests a certain respect should be afforded Richard Milhous Nixon! There are many reasons that I sometimes refer to the current occupant of a big white house located in downtown Washington DC as 'Turd-owe-with-a-tan'!

42 posted on 03/11/2013 4:30:54 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

Operation Nickel Grass was poorly executed and resulted in the 1973 oil crisis, against which no action was taken by the US.

Take note that nobody here is equating Nixon to Carter. (Ironically, Carter was an enemy of Amtrak, cutting its funding by two thirds.)


43 posted on 03/11/2013 5:07:50 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: oh8eleven; Not now, Not ever!

The Vietnam War is JFK’s war, Eisenhower merely had advisers there doing what they they should be doing, just as we have advisers in all kinds of hot spots today.

JFK came into office and kept escalating and increasing the numbers of “advisers” to very high numbers in time he had 16,000 American troops over there and had the Vietnamese president killed and bingo, war.

JFK was not going to withdraw, that is something that the left tries to promote, but even Bobby told us that his brother wasn’t doing so.

1961 – John F. Kennedy sends 1,364 American advisors to South Vietnam. Still no land reform. An operation of U.S. military pilots and planes were ordered to bomb targets in South Vietnam. The operation is cancelled moments before takeoff.

1962 – The number of U.S. advisers increases to 9865. U.S. pilots are clandestinely bombing North Vietnam in an attempt to destabilize the Ho Chi Minh government. “The U.S. did not want to harm relations with Diem, and he was the last political stronghold in Vietnam facing the communists. This ‘fact’ is debatable...”

1963 – 15,500 Americans in Vietnam. Diem is losing his grip on the Buddhist revolutionaries. Kennedy agrees with South Vietnamese generals to remove Diem. With the CIA’s conveying Kennedy’s approval, Diem is assassinated in a military coup and succeeded by a series of military commanders.

“When Kennedy was assassinated in November 1963, there were 16,000 US military advisers in Vietnam. The number of troops grew to more than 500,000, and the war raged for another decade.


44 posted on 03/11/2013 6:19:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: A Formerly Proud Canadian

The US gave Israel war material but also pressured the Israelis to slow up on destruction of the Egyptian army that was cornered by General Ariel Sharon’s spearheads.

They were afraid of the Soviet threats about intervention.


45 posted on 03/11/2013 7:06:11 PM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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To: Olog-hai
From what I've read about Nickel Grass, it outperformed the Soviet airlift to the Egyptian Army. Nixon signed the EO on 9 October but Washington dithered and it took Nixon to personally decide on 12 October to use Mobile Air Command. I suspect part of the slow start to the execution of the airlift was with Foggy Bottom and Kissinger's dislike of the Israelis. (Though Kissinger fought the Nazi's in WWII, I believe his distinct distaste for Israel may have been from his post-secondary education at Harvard.)

AMC Museum

Air Force Magazine

The US was in a very precarious position regarding energy. Attacking the Arabs to control the oil could have resulted in the Soviets attacking and likely attacks on Israel. I do believe, that at that time, the US should have started doing much more oil exploration in the US and Canada and looking into ways to refine bitumen more economically. Unfortunately, the oil companies continued (and continue) to depend upon easy to produce, M. E. oil.

46 posted on 03/11/2013 11:49:08 PM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: Nextrush
Nixon supplied what Israel needed. Would George McGovern have done as much? I think we all know that the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would not.

Though likely, it was not certain that the Israeli army could have destroyed the 3rd Egyption army AND maintained its integrity on the west side of the Suez Canal. (David Elazar chief of Israeli headquarter staff stated on 3 December 1973 "As for the third army, in spite of our encircling them they resisted and advanced to occupy in fact a wider area of land at the east. Thus, we can not say that we defeated or conquered them.") The destruction of the 3rd Army would likely have cost hundreds or perhaps thousands of Israeli soldiers. In the end, by not destroying the Egyptian 3rd Army, the US was able to pull Egypt out of Soviet influence and act as a negotiator of a peace treaty, rather than merely a cease-fire.

This peace has held reasonably until the current Pre__sent decided to endorse those amazing upholders of peace, the Muslim Brotherhood. (sarc.)

47 posted on 03/12/2013 1:22:50 AM PDT by A Formerly Proud Canadian (I once was lost but now I'm found; blind but now I see.)
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To: ansel12
The Vietnam War is JFK’s war, Eisenhower merely had advisers there ...
Which - just as I said - makes it Ike's war, not JFK's.
With regard to JFK escalating and then "bingo, war" - WTF do you think the advisers were doing - advising the ARVN how to play checkers? The VN war was going on long before the US got in.
And speaking of JFK escalating - I suggest you look up NSAM 263.
48 posted on 03/12/2013 5:19:25 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

We do and have had advisers everywhere, we have advisers all over the place and it has nothing to do with war, America was not fighting a Vietnam war under Eisenhower.

JFK started the Vietnam war.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 8:35:34 AM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: ansel12

“Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.” - Mark Twain


50 posted on 03/12/2013 8:47:29 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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