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Sen. Prozanskiís bizarre bill to make it harder to get a CHL (Oregon)
Oregon Catalyst ^ | 03/10/2013 | Dan Lucas

Posted on 03/11/2013 11:17:54 AM PDT by aimhigh

Sen. Floyd Prozanski (D-Eugene) has sponsored a strange bill to make it more difficult to obtain a concealed handgun license in Oregon.

SB 796 requires that a person applying for a CHL pass a firing range test, but with some very strange twists. For example, Sen. Prozanski’s bill requires the use of human silhouette targets and it requires the use of high capacity magazines or speed loaders.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; oregon; secondamendment
Here's part of the required test:

(10) For the purposes of subsection (1)(f) of this section, in order to demonstrate competence with a handgun a person must:

(a) Receive a score of at least 70 percent on a firing range test, with a maximum of three attempts, using a National Rifle Association B27 or similar silhouette target and consisting of the following course of fire:

(A) 20 rounds fired from a distance of three yards, with:

(i) Five rounds fired one at a time with two seconds allowed for each shot;
(ii) 10 rounds fired two at a time with three seconds allowed for each two shots; and
(iii) Five rounds fired with 10 seconds allowed for all five shots;

(B) 20 rounds fired from a distance of seven yards, with:

(i) Five rounds fired with 10 seconds allowed for all five shots;
(ii) Five rounds fired with four seconds allowed for the first two shots and six seconds allowed for the remaining three shots;
(iii) Five rounds fired one at a time with three seconds allowed for each shot; and
(iv) Five rounds fired with 15 seconds allowed for all five shots; and

(C) 10 rounds fired from a distance of 15 yards, with:
(i) Five rounds fired with six seconds allowed for the first two shots and nine seconds allowed for the remaining three shots; and
(ii) Five shots fired with 15 seconds allowed for all five shots;

1 posted on 03/11/2013 11:17:54 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

I’d like legislators to lose their right to offer any proposed legislation if they are found to have spelling or punctuation errors.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 11:21:36 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: aimhigh

Regarding the speedloader angle, I’m reading that as individual five-round courses of fire. Not consecutive. Would be too confusing to run it consecutively.

Range time is a good thing, but these courses of fire don’t make much sense to me.

Is this one of those where you can only then carry the gun that you qualify with?


3 posted on 03/11/2013 11:26:44 AM PDT by Rio (Tempis Fugit.)
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To: Rio

“Is this one of those where you can only then carry the gun that you qualify with?”

Of course not! You can not carry the gun you qualify with.

If this seems contradictory, see Catch 22.


4 posted on 03/11/2013 11:30:17 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."..)
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To: Rio
Sounds like these tests are not complete unless the applicant also spells the alphabet backwards, while walking a 10 foot straight line, with one finger on the bride of the nose, and the other hand on their head.

In other words, if the 'rats are on the edge of infringing, might as well go all the way and infringe bigtime.

5 posted on 03/11/2013 11:32:53 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: aimhigh

Tomorrow he’ll propose a bill to outlaw high-capacity magazines. This ain’t my first rodeo.


6 posted on 03/11/2013 11:35:33 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: aimhigh

What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” are law-makers too stupid to understand?


7 posted on 03/11/2013 11:38:56 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: aimhigh
Choice (D) Stand in a closet and fire at target placed in front once the door opens.
8 posted on 03/11/2013 11:39:04 AM PDT by Bronzy
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To: aimhigh

I’m surprised they don’t require the shooter to hold the gun straight over his head then cluck like a chicken.


9 posted on 03/11/2013 11:39:18 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: aimhigh

I support this so long as there are similar tests required in order to register to vote.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 11:39:43 AM PDT by MeganC (The left have so twisted public perceptions that the truth now appears pornographic.- SpaceBar)
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To: aimhigh

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Sen. Prozanski’s bizarre bill to make it harder to get a CHL (Oregon), aimhigh wrote:
Here’s part of the required test:

I used to be able to do all that but arthurtightis set in. Now at 81 I only take one shot, bulleye, and its done. Can’t afford the ammunition.

Start your own choir. Be your own precinct captain Below is designed to be printed up and passed around your precinct and your friends and neighbors as a (index sized) palmcard. On the face (REVERSE SIDE)or below the slogan you can put the name of the candidate you favor and the election dates...EXCELLENT FOR SLIPPING UNDER WINDSHIELD WIPERS ON CARS PARKED IN KEY PARKING LOTS CHURCHES, RALLY SITES....

DEMO-COMS AND RINO CRYERS
GOD DENIERS AND PREDACIOUS LIARS
ARE REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH INCITERS/
FIRST YOUR MONEY THEN YOUR GUNS
ISSUING DECREES OF MANY COME
DEMAND SURRENDERING CHOICES ONE BY ONE
INTO REGIMENTATION YOU MUST RUN
AND NOW THEIR ROBOT YOU’VE BECOME

It’s time to get government out of Our face
Our religion and and Our pocketbook.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 11:49:04 AM PDT by mosesdapoet ("It's a sin to tell a lie", in telling others that , got me my nickname .Ex Chi" mechanic"ret)
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To: aimhigh

Not saying its the right thing to do but this looks a LOT like the current Texas CCW course of fire test. It’s easy.

Texas CCW Course of Fire
Course of Fire:

3 yard line - 20 shots:

1 shot in 2 seconds, 5 times
2 shots in 3 seconds, 5 times
5 shots in 10 seconds, once

7 yard line - 20 shots:

5 shots in 10 seconds, once
1 shot in 3 seconds, 5 times
2 shots in 4 seconds, once
3 shots in 6 seconds, once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once

15 yard line - 10 shots:

2 shots in 6 seconds, once
3 shots in 9 seconds, once
5 shots in 15 seconds, once


12 posted on 03/11/2013 11:58:10 AM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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To: aimhigh
Make that a requirement for graduating high school instead
of a requirement for getting a CHL and I will endorse it!
13 posted on 03/11/2013 12:00:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Syntyr
15 yard line - 10 shots:

2 shots in 6 seconds, once 3 shots in 9 seconds, once 5 shots in 15 seconds, once

Anything beyond 15yds(45ft) is not a threat. Wait until they're 10ft away (unless they're charging at you with a knife). The closer they are the better chance of hitting them in an adrenaline hyper situation.

14 posted on 03/11/2013 12:05:48 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: Syntyr

NC also has a qual course simular to this, and it’s right out of an NRA marksmanship (?markspersonship?) training course. Not a bad idea to have to show a fundamental ability for concealed permit, in my opinion.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 12:26:24 PM PDT by jstaff
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To: aimhigh

My state has similar shooting requirements (which I passed). Shortly after I did so, I asked a local State Senator why the shooting requirements for CHL holders were more difficult than those used by the State Highway Patrol officers. He said, “Why not?”


16 posted on 03/11/2013 12:43:55 PM PDT by jim_trent
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To: aimhigh

Sounds like the old literacy test they used to use to keep black folks from voting.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 1:04:24 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: jstaff

“NC also has a qual course simular to this, and it’s right out of an NRA marksmanship (?markspersonship?) training course. Not a bad idea to have to show a fundamental ability for concealed permit, in my opinion.”

I was worried about it when I tested but when I got there I realized it was pretty easy. If you hit the target every shot through the first 40 shots you passed. So you could miss or not take all of the shots at the 15 yard line and still pass.

I am still in favor of constitutional carry with no test but in reality if you can’t pass the course of fire you really need some range time and should seriously think about not carrying.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 2:03:34 PM PDT by Syntyr (Happiness is two at low eight!)
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