Skip to comments.“Sorry, No Gold Today… We Sent It To China”
Posted on 03/11/2013 11:23:44 AM PDT by blam
Sorry, No Gold Today We Sent It To China
By Addison Wiggin
The central banks gold is likely gone, and the bullion banks that sold it have no realistic chance of getting it back Eric Sprott tells us.
He also says that these bullion bank intermediaries are probably turning around and selling their gold to China.
China, by the way, is the mostly likely catalyst to set off the zero hour scenario we told you about on Friday (Article is linked below)
Weve chronicled Chinas ongoing gold grab here at Agora Financial going all the way back to April 24, 2009, when the Peoples Bank of China announced its gold reserves had grown to 1,054 tonnes up from 600 in 2003. And thats the last official word.
Then theres private-sector demand in China. The government is equally opaque on this score. But we do get regular figures on Chinese imports via Hong Kong. Last year, they totaled a staggering 834.5 tonnes. And remember, thats in a market that produces only 3,700 tonnes a year!
Couple those imports with Chinese mine production and the total amount of gold known to be inside China has doubled in a mere three years.
Then there are the voluminous statements by Chinese public officials best taken at face value
* Chinas gold reserve is too small, says the Department of International Economic Affairs of Ministry
* No asset is safe now, says the head of the Peoples Bank of Chinas research bureau. The only choice to hedge risks is to hold hard currency gold
* And maybe most telling for our purposes: The U.S. and Europe have always suppressed the rising price of gold, according to a commentary in the Shijie Xinwenbao newspaper, duly noted by U.S. diplomats in cables exposed by WikiLeaks.
Echoing a theme we first wrote about in The Demise of the Dollar (John Wiley & Sons, 2005), suppressing the price of gold, the article went on, is very beneficial for the U.S. in maintaining the U.S. dollars role as the international reserve currency. Chinas increased gold reserves will thus act as a model and lead other countries toward reserving more gold. Large gold reserves are also beneficial in promoting the internationalization of the renminbi.
The plot thickens: In 2009, says our own Outstanding Investments editor Byron King, a high-ranking government adviser let slip that a special government task force recommended increasing Chinas gold reserves to a staggering 10,000 tonnes. Whats more, word is already starting to leak out in Chinese newspapers that government officials intend to make the renminbi fully convertible by 2015 that is, able to be freely exchanged for other currencies.
Put it all together and the picture becomes clear: China aims to grow its gold stash tenfold to bolster the renminbis credibility in only two more years.
We come back to Mr. Sprotts question: So wheres the gold coming from?
Germany Has to Wait 7 Years for Its Gold Make Sure You Have Yours Now
In January, Germanys central bank posed the same question. It made plans to repatriate much of its gold stash heretofore kept in France and America, the better to keep it out of the Soviets hands in case the Cold War ever turned hot.
The process of moving 674 tonnes back to Germany is scheduled to take seven years.
Not the sort of time frame that should make you feel warm and fuzzy about how much of the U.S. and French reserves are actual gold or gold receivables.
Which brings us back to zero hour in the gold market. On any given day, the amount of physical gold thats traded around the world is dwarfed by paper gold mostly futures. In the estimation of experts like our friend Egon von Greyerz of Gold Switzerland and Hong Kong-based hedge fund manager William Kaye, the ratio is 100-to-1.
Up until now, the ratio has posed no problem. Most people trading gold futures are in it for a short-term gain. But a few people always want to take delivery of actual metal. At zero hour, what happens is someday some guy or country wants to buy gold, and its not going to be available, says Eric Sprott.
The Comex cant deliver and offers up a cash settlement instead.
When does the last bar disappear and somebody fess up? We trade all this paper gold, but we now know theres nothing behind it, because you cant get delivery. The timing is impossible to pinpoint but were living sort of hand to mouth already, Sprott warns. So it could be quite imminent.
When the day arrives, you dont want to be holding paper gold and that includes exchange-traded funds like GLD. As weve pointed out before, the ETFs are subject to counterparty risk the risk that whomever youre doing business with wont, or cant, live up to their promises. Just like futures.
When zero hour comes, GLDs price will do what its always done track the Comex price of gold. Meanwhile, real physical gold in your possession will break away from that price and youll be glad you have it.
While Mr. Sprott hesitates to put numbers to his forecast, we can perform a little napkin math. If the Comex price is $1,800, experience from 2008-09 shows that a Gold Eagle on eBay might go for a 30% premium thats $2,340! If panic takes over the Comex and the price rises to $2,000, real metal in your hand will be worth $2,600.
As the old commercial said, Accept no substitutes. Own physical gold.
No worries, mate! The DOW is setting records!
The central banks gold is likely gone,....”
But, there’s probably plenty of gold-plated tungsten left in the vaults. Too bad the market for tungsten-filament light bulbs has been destroyed by government fiat.
Has anyone ever figured the total world debt divided by the total weight of the actual physical gold in the world? I see lots of articles saying lots of different things, but I have never seen this. I think it would be interesting.
What would be the point of knowing that? Gold’s value has nothing to do with its physical weight. Its price per ounce or per whatever unit of measurement you choose is constantly fluctuating.
RIP oldasters . . .
china and JPM done took our gold——ping
Privately owned major banks own the Federal Reserve which itself is a privately owned bank, that currently has chosen to finance Obama's upward zooming Federale debt and yearly deficits.
Think of it like this: a fuel supplier has joined with a rocket shooter and said the fuel will flow for rocketry ... BUT the supplier has every intention of limiting the development of rocketry by supplying only enough fuel to get the rockets in the air at their most vulnerable altitude when fuel runs out. America as a Republic where We The People are sovereigns has been ended, but the power of this Republic must be collapsed, to assure We The People never reach sovereignty again because that is intenable with global rule by the oligarchs.
-——Its price per ounce or per whatever unit of measurement you choose is constantly fluctuating.——
Contrarily, the value of gold is constant, fixed. It is the value of the currencies measured in terms of gold that fluctuate.
The price of gold is seen to be a rising trend line. That is not reality. To see reality, invert the curve and behold!!....... the currency value is declining.
China’s putting the pedal to the metal it sounds like, and for good reason.
Methinks that when it became public that Germany doesn’t actually have any gold in our vaults, it could be likened to the “shot heard ‘round the world”. Beijing certainly noticed.
I heard that owning gold/silver mining companies are also a good hedge provided you don’t hold the shares in street name. Do you see any risks in doing that?
The hard core guys say take the mining share certificates into your possession and place in safe deposit box. This way it is more of a hassle to unload them, sell them on a whim. I would not buy mining shares today. They have been doing awful for a year or two. I would buy when you see an upward trend.
Check out SLW GDX and GDXJ. Check out what GDX and GDXJ are composed of. Take a lok at what they have been doing in the last two years. Also check out ABX (worlds largest gold miner) and SAND which is gold streaming same as SLW does with silver
Please do not post Coast-to-Coast content on FR.
In about 200 years we created by pure corruption the same type of elitist powers in control of our nation that the Colonies rebelled against in 1776.
"Very strange" how all views critical of the Fed are deleted by the powers that be. Too much power is way too much power
What will you do when America does what Cypress and Greece and Spain and Italy are doing ? All banking debt will be "bailed out" by the poor, broken, debt enslaved taxpayers who are getting more and more poor every day.
The people in power want to pump up another RE bubble. You have two choices: engage in wild RE flipping using borrowed money OR pull back, cash in all your stocks before the stock markets collapse and flip real estate while you are able to make small profits and buy up all the available gold -- if you can find it.
Of course, in splurging on coming real estate binge -- and stock market bubble -- you will have to compete directly with major banks and government insiders bent on purely corrupt and greedy profiteering . . .
24 hours later and it is like Cyprus didn’t even happen. Ameicans are the proverbial Ostriches. I guess as long as the DOW is inflated to records with dilluted currency, the masses won’t care.
The post in question was deleted because it was from Coast-to-Coast, which you know, from being repeatedly told by the moderators, is not welcome on FR. Has nothing to do with the topic or having too much power.
“The DOW is setting records!”
Just like in 1933 and 1937, two years of hype and overly positive statements while the Great Depression roared on.