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Immigration Solution: Allow Free Movement of NAFTA Workers (says Paul Cellucci)
Newsmax ^ | Monday, 11 Mar 2013 01:06 PM | Dan Weil

Posted on 03/11/2013 1:05:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai

Paul Cellucci, ambassador to Canada under President George W. Bush, has a novel solution to much of the immigration problem—allow citizens of the United States, Canada, and Mexico to work freely in any of the three countries.

That would be the final logical step of the 1994 North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the three countries, he says. …

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: amnesty; amnestypimps; illegals; rino
Great. Another Bush-era leftist wants to change NAFTA to make it like the European Union’s disastrous Schengen Agreement?
1 posted on 03/11/2013 1:05:33 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

If anyone is really in favor of free trade and free markets they’d support this totally. Free markets and free trade cannot exist unless labor is just as free to move as capital, entrepreneurship, technology and other factors of production.

I don’t favor the free movement of labor, but unless one does support it, then they don’t really support free trade and free markets. And that’s also why we should not pretend we have free trade, or free markets (internationally), because the bastardized arrangements we’ve ended up with most always benefit our trading partners to our detriment.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 1:11:13 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Free trade and free markets do not necessarily go hand in hand. Nations have borders. This “free movement of labor” business is based in leftism; I suggest rejecting it, especially since it undermines national security.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 1:13:22 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

This requires a bit of translation..what he really means is anyone from Mexico and all points south can come to the US & Canada, but not vice versa...oh...that’s what we have now!


4 posted on 03/11/2013 1:17:28 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Imagine how much the Hezbollah cells in Mexico would love something like this.


5 posted on 03/11/2013 1:18:17 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Free trade and free markets do not necessarily go hand in hand. Nations have borders.

Which is precisely why the US should stop the pretend free trade and negotiate beneficial trade agreements (to the US) which do not allow far more access to our markets than we are allowed to foreign markets. Our first priority should be national defense and creating an economy that will provide more jobs for the unemployed, and also for many of the perpetual beneficiaries of our out-of-control poverty programs.

Until we move large numbers of working age Americans from our trillion per year poverty programs to productive work, we have no hope of getting our spending under control.

Our trade policies and trade deficits over the past thirty or forty years are a primary cause of our $16+ trillion dollar national debt.

6 posted on 03/11/2013 1:22:45 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Not really.

With all of the differing social compacts and levels of welfare and social support provided by just the countries in NAFTA, free labor movement is not practical. Americans would be footing the bill for a hundred million poor and ill-educated peasants to live American lifestyles, and we simply can’t afford that.

Protecting borders is a fundamental and historical aspect of nationhood, which doesn’t preclude supported free trade, where possible, between countries.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 1:23:18 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker
Not really.

Not really what?

I absolutely do not support the free movement of labor, but I also do not support bastardized trading arrangements which pretend that we have free trade and free markets when labor is not as free to move as capital, technology and entrepreneurship.

And NAFTA contained provisions which allowed movement of labor, and the biggest supporters of free trade and NAFTA want the complete free movement of labor, and that's what the controversial meeting between the leaders of the US, Canada and Mexico were aiming toward, among other things. There is no shortage of North Americans who think NAFTA should go the way of the EEC.

8 posted on 03/11/2013 1:37:08 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

I’m not in favor of Nafta and the like because of how they’re written to compromise our sovereignty. But free trade in general does lots to enrich our country. We can’t expect favorable trade terms that are not mutual to work well, but there’s no reason ‘free labor’ needs to accompany free trade.


9 posted on 03/11/2013 2:05:08 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Olog-hai

This is actually what Bush was planning to do before 9/11 made it politically impossible to do publicly.

Instead what he did was to leave the borders open unofficially.

It was part of the NAU program that was underway at the time. That program was put on the back burner but it will likely be back.


10 posted on 03/11/2013 2:12:17 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: Olog-hai
final logical step

logical? logical? logical? on what planet?

11 posted on 03/11/2013 2:12:34 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Will88

NAFTA is to NAU as EEC is to EU.

And the next phase has already been activated. WTO lays the path to World Union.

Multiple tactics proceeding in parallel.

The Agenda.


12 posted on 03/11/2013 2:20:06 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: 9YearLurker

What we now call trade is not really trade. Dismantling a plant in the US and shipping the equipment and jobs and technology to Mexico or China is not trade. That’s capital transfer, or asset transfer. Then products once produced in the US are produced there and shipped back to the US for sale.

That’s not trade. So if the owners of capital can move their assets and production around the world, why should labor not be able to move on the same basis? It’s all a bastardized system that is no longer trade of goods and services, but transfer of the factors of production to the benefit of some participants, but not all.

I predict that someday all the supporters of this so-called free trade will prove to have some of history’s most useful idiots, because if something doesn’t head it off, so-called free trade will have been used as a step in erasing national borders just as it’s been used in the EU.

And the reasons you give in #7 in opposition to the free movement of labor were once given in opposition to the admission of goods from cheap labor nations into the US. The impact of the free movement of cheap goods and the free movement of cheap labor would be very similar. Both upset the established order and benefit some and harm others.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 2:20:38 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

You might find this article interesting.

http://www.plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articlesFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=194


14 posted on 03/11/2013 2:23:19 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76
NAFTA is to NAU as EEC is to EU.

That's certainly true for some number of 'North Americans' and most all globalists, and for all too many US politicians, though few will admit it.

15 posted on 03/11/2013 2:25:45 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Ray76

And many of us at times become so fixed on the future Dim voter aspect of the illegal alien/amnesty/border issues, that we forget that there are those who have the long range goal of taking the US and North America along the same path as the EU is taking.

For some, that’s the primary reason they refuse to enforce to border, and why they refuse to deport those who should be deported. All this weakens US sovereignty, and that moves them toward their ultimate goal.


16 posted on 03/11/2013 2:29:47 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Olog-hai

Are they serious? I can’t even go to Niagara Falls or the Windsor Casino anymore without a friggin passport.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 2:30:03 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai

I have stopped reading NewsMax since they started posting pro-amnesty tripe. Shame on you, Chris Ruddy. A “novel” idea, my ass, traitors.


18 posted on 03/11/2013 2:51:17 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Ray76
Not sure I'd blame so much on fiat money, but I do agree with this statement:

The de-industrialization (of the West) was masked with credit expansion facilitating consumption, not production, which was un-economic under the globalization scheme. Stagnant or falling wage earnings were supplemented with easy credit for the masses.

And I'd definitely add: Stagnant or falling wage earnings were also supplemented by ever expanding social welfare programs, which added greatly to deficit spending.

These trends can't go on forever.

19 posted on 03/11/2013 2:52:16 PM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

De-industrialization, stagnant/falling wages with ever expanding social welfare programs to placate/pacify the masses, easy credit facilitating consumption (blind them with baubles), currency debasement... all tactics in the prolonged multi-pronged attack upon the US.

As you say, trends can not go on forever. When failure comes get ready for the Global New Deal. Get ready for a boot stomping on mankind’s face forever.


20 posted on 03/11/2013 3:32:16 PM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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To: Ray76

Can’t happen forever. One thing Orwell left out (probably to make his novel scarier) is the spiritual aspect of totalitarianism. The prophecy of “no flesh saved” is unavoidable, if a world ever came to that, and such societies are too dependent on technology to maintain power if they lost said technology.


21 posted on 03/11/2013 4:16:43 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Ugh

what a bunch of fools


22 posted on 03/11/2013 5:08:20 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Olog-hai; Will88; ckilmer; All

Would you like to know what Cuban born Al Cardenas, the head of the ACU (American Conservative Union) and one of the powers that be at CPAC think about the Gang of 8’s Amnesty??

Ready???

“Statement from ACU Chairman Al Cardenas on Immigration Legislation

Published: January 28, 2013
Contact: Laura Rigas, (202) 347-9388, lrigas@conservative.org

“It seems that a growing number of Democrats & Republicans in Congress have found common ground on agreed-upon principles for immigration reform.

Congratulations to both sides of the aisle in forging a responsible framework today. Difficult days lay ahead in working out specifics on the legislation itself, but the Senate is off to a good start and I encourage the House to follow suit.”[snip]

It’s not by accident that Grover Norquist, who wrote the Bush amnesty & destroyed every immigration reform ever made is in league with CPAC, ACU who is headed by Al Cardenas, another AMNESTY pusher. Do you understand that these men have hijacked the tea party movement to further their own goals?

[snip]Contention at CPAC 2013: The Counterjihad vs. Grover Norquist, Brett Kimberlin, et. al.

[snip]Ooooh, looky here:

This page lists board of directors of the American Conservative Union, which hosts CPAC. The page isn’t easy to find, most likely because it shows both Grover Norquist and fellow mole Suhail Khan. Grover is keeping a low profile; as of this writing, I don’t see him on the speakers’ roster.

The ACU chairman is Al Cardenas,who has been pushing for another amnesty for illegal aliens.He actually expects us to believe that giving eleven million illegal aliens (including a large number of Muslim infiltrators) will “stimulate the conservative electorate.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/03/contention-at-cpac-2013-the-counterjihad-vs-grover-norquist-brett-kimberlin-et-al-8-2596006.html


23 posted on 03/12/2013 11:19:19 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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I posted a thread on that subject back on the 4th of the month.

Amazing that a man that was predicting Obama’s defeat in the ’12 elections back in ’11 is now sounding so much like what he then was painting himself as opposing . . .
24 posted on 03/12/2013 11:29:45 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Thank you! I missed that one!


25 posted on 03/12/2013 11:32:07 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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