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GOP Ready To Cave On Gun Control
The Captain's Journal ^ | March 11, 2013 | Herscehl Smith

Posted on 03/11/2013 9:05:13 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer

Ammoland has two extremely depressing reports. We already knew that Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan were pretend conservatives with plans to cave on universal background checks. This first report makes it sound even worse.

[The] Republican Majority Leader is leading the charge to cut a deal with President Obama.

The following are just some of the threats to innocent school children and our God-given 2nd Amendment liberties that Republicans are about to shove down our throats:

1.The NRA is cutting backroom deals to centralize gun owner data collection into the Obama/Holder massive government data base.

A centralized system is less costly to fight and far more lucrative for the NRA to appear to be “fixing“.

Like all establishment political lobbies the key to their job security is assisting in making problems they end up being called upon to “fix“.

2. Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor is leading the charge to give Obama and Holder what they want in exchange for appearing to be “fixing” the problem of innocent children being butchered in our public and private schools.

3. Newly appointed Republican Judiciary Chairman, Bob Goodlatte R-VA 6th District, is providing political cover for the sneaky back room gun control deals and gun grabbing sell outs that his political masters - – John Boehner and Eric Cantor – - are cutting with Obama and his corrupt Attorney General, Eric Holder.

Political insiders have confirmed to me, that Goodlatte earned his brand new chairmanship by ignoring the constitutional demands and grievances of every Republican Unit Chairman in his own 6th district.

And for the second report.

You might think that with Republicans in control of the US House of Representatives there would be no way ANY gun control legislation could reach the floor.

But sadly we are already beginning to see so-called “conservative champions” folding to pressure from the anti-gun media to sell-out gun owners.

Former Vice Presidential candidate, Congressman Paul Ryan, has stated that he would support legislation that bans private sales at gun shows.

In the House, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, along with the help of Rep. Scott Rigell (VA), Patrick Meehan (PA) and others, have stated openly that they will work together with anti-gun Democrats from Maryland and New York to tighten restrictions on private firearms sales and expand background checks.

Possibly even more upsetting has been Senator Tom Coburn’s willingness to work alongside anti-gunner Chuck Schumer (NY) to propose “bi-partisan” anti-gun legislation in the Senate.

Make no mistake, so-called “expansion” of background checks is little more than a blatant attempt by anti-gunners to register all firearms and gun owners in America.

That is why Representatives Steve Stockman (TX-36) and Paul Broun (GA-10) have drafted a letter to Speaker Boehner and the Republican leadership urging them to require the support of the majority of Republican members in the House before bringing any anti-gun bills to the floor.

This so-called “Hastert Rule” would mean that 117 Republicans would have to support a particular bill before it had any chance of getting a floor vote, not just the support of the anti-gun elitist in leadership.

Such political ploys would be unnecessary if the GOP weren’t filled with such weasels. I cannot vouch for the accuracy of these reports, but I have followed Cantor and Ryan for a while now on firearms freedoms and gun rights, and it doesn’t surprise me in the least.

It’s fascinating that the GOP leadership would be willing to sacrifice their careers on the altar of political correctness. And it will cost them their careers. I don’t know how else to say it other than to keep repeating myself. The gun owners who recently waited in lines for three or more hours to pay exorbitant prices for guns were not repeat buyers (long time gun owners like me already had most of the firearms we wanted and so we are purchasing ammunition now). They were first time buyers.

I’ve watched them at the ranges. I have overheard their conversations, I have watched them at the gun stores and gun shows. I have heard their relatively ignorant questions (not ignorant because they’re stupid, but because they’re in the process of learning). They are not us. We already have guns. These are new gun owners. The polls they are trotting out to show the number of gun owners decreasing are all lies.

I don’t know whether the questions aren’t being honestly answered or what other source there could be for the error. But the polls are in error. Don’t believe them. And as for older gun owners like me, and even the newer gun owners like I have monitored for the past half year, we have made it clear with our voices and wallets. No new gun laws. None. Period. Not one more inch. Not one.

Is this so hard to understand? Note to legislators. Tread carefully. Don’t cross lines from which there is no return.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: 113th; banglist; cantor; communism; communists; coup; elections; goodlatte; guncontrol; guns; republicans; secondamendment
They can't really be this dumb. Can they?
1 posted on 03/11/2013 9:05:13 PM PDT by GrootheWanderer
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To: GrootheWanderer

My rep...rino kristi noem will cave


2 posted on 03/11/2013 9:09:28 PM PDT by South Dakota (shut up and build a bakken pipe line)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Coburn’s really been a disappointment since he left hte House to be a senator.

I still see old programs with him talking about how he wasn’t going to be in government forever, when he was a representative.

He changed his mind obviously and since then has shifted more and more leftward. Very disappointing.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 9:10:04 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Coburn used to be reliable....sad to see....


4 posted on 03/11/2013 9:11:17 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: GrootheWanderer

They just have no desire to reframe issues and fight for them.

they are co-conspirators. They bitch they can’t do anything but secretly want the changes, because they somehow think they’ll be able to use them when they have the white house and/or senate.

They just want to rule. They don’t care about the Constitution one tiny bit. THe leadership RINOs of the GOP, I mean.


5 posted on 03/11/2013 9:12:03 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: South Dakota

Just gun control? It looks like they’re ready to cave on amnesty and everything else too.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 9:15:40 PM PDT by exist
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To: GrootheWanderer

ping


8 posted on 03/11/2013 9:21:51 PM PDT by laplata
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To: GrootheWanderer

What can you expect from a Leftist GOP?


9 posted on 03/11/2013 9:23:19 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: GrootheWanderer
Yes, boys and girls, these politicians really ARE that stupid. Bonehead Boehner is set to sell out Americans to his master Obongo. Boehner, get your resume ready, because you're going to be one of many politicos on the unemployment line.
10 posted on 03/11/2013 9:37:12 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: GrootheWanderer

You better believe it — yes, they CAN be this dumb.

But do expect a phonecall from the GOP with the request for a donation.


11 posted on 03/11/2013 9:46:08 PM PDT by 353FMG ( I refuse to specify whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
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To: GrootheWanderer
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12 posted on 03/11/2013 9:53:49 PM PDT by baddog 219
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To: chris37

Sura to Spartacus-—”Kill them all”-—I can no longer consider myself fully ‘law-abiding’ but still to be fully peaceable......


13 posted on 03/11/2013 10:31:00 PM PDT by yadent
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To: baddog 219
...loose... lose.
14 posted on 03/11/2013 10:37:54 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: yadent

This world is changing quickly, and not for the better.

To be law abiding no longer means what it used to.

From my stand point abiding illegal laws makes one a criminal.

I know right from wrong. Jesus taught me that, and that is what I abide.

Man has lost his way, and so has his law.

Both are corrupt.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 11:29:52 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: GrootheWanderer
They can't really be this dumb. Can they?

Of course not, but they are counting on us being that dumb.

16 posted on 03/11/2013 11:36:05 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

I suppose what I say next is common knowledge by my Freeper FRiends. I have posted this before:

The best background check will never prevent the straw man gun transaction. Let’s say I’m a drug pushing gang banger. I have numerous arrests and would never pass a background check. I need a powerful semi-automatic to take out competitors moving into my drug market. I tell one of my crack customers that I will give them a good deal on crack if they buy the gun I need for me. They will pass the background check.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 11:58:31 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

Insider politicians and insider lobby groups like the NRA and National Right To Life play the emotional strings with wedge issues (ala Karl Rove) but don’t ultimately defend the right to life or the Second Amendment.

They wheel and deal in the middle of the issue and keep you emotionally charged up so you keep sending the donations in.

When election time comes the NRA and NRL publish voter guides and endorse business as usual politicians on the basis of their emotional wedge issue votes.

Like sheep we have supported the business as usual politicians while our country has sunk deeper in the financial quagmire.

If we keep electing the RINO’S (OVER 90 percent of currently serving GOP members of Congress) there will be no real solution and the debt bubble will burst.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 1:16:11 AM PDT by Nextrush (A BALANCED BUDGET NOW AND PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN ARE MY DREAMS)
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The only no-compromise gun lobby in DC...
http://gunowners.org/
Sign up today.


19 posted on 03/12/2013 1:30:14 AM PDT by mcmuffin (Freedom's On The March - Wave Goodbye!)
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To: exist
It looks like they’re ready to cave on amnesty and everything else too.

Gotta be popular, ya know?

I can't understand how the GOP thinks it can ever try to become the dems. They will never be able to out-lib them!

20 posted on 03/12/2013 2:04:41 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: exist

Amnesty is the one issue that, based on simple voting demographics, there will be no GOP/conservative majority to win on anything else thereafter.

Remember how just a year or so ago the GOPe was hiding behind, “Secure the border first, before we talk about anything else (wink, wink)?”


21 posted on 03/12/2013 2:21:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: GrootheWanderer

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22 posted on 03/12/2013 2:30:14 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (who'll take tomorrow,$pend it all today;who can take your income,tax it all away..0'Blowfly can :-)
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To: GrootheWanderer

“They can’t really be this dumb. Can they? “

I think we’re being played, not by them, but by our side. Coburn gave them (the grabbers) a chance to structure background checks in a way that looks at the background of the person wishing to obtain the gun, rather than background of the gun itself (which most gun supporters are ok with) - the grabbers would have NOTHING to do with it, because they wanted the gun database. So Coburn walked - sorry, but I don’t see anything sinister in him.

I think someone is pulling some strings to pit the NRA against other groups...with the hope that they can slip something through while we’re fighting each other. Based on articles like this, that strategy just may work.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 4:08:19 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: Windflier

capitOl also.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 4:24:35 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: BobL

If the NRA pulls a dirty one on this, I fully expect Larry Pratt and his group(GOA) to expose it pronto. GOA was founded by ex-NRA types who felt they were too comprimising and have never gotten along.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 4:49:22 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: baddog 219

Wow, it never ceases to amaze me how few people can actually discern “loose” from “lose”...


26 posted on 03/12/2013 5:09:44 AM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Dim Logic: "Let me vote Democrat. Hey, I got screwed! Let me vote Democrat. Hey, I got screwed!")
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To: GrootheWanderer
They can't really be this dumb. Can they?

No they aren't dumb. The GOPe WANT gun control just as much as their Democrat pals. The dummies are the people that keep reelecting these jerks.

27 posted on 03/12/2013 5:23:35 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto
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To: mcmuffin

Senate panel ready to OK gun background checks

By ALAN FRAM | Associated Press – 5 hrs ago

http://news.yahoo.com/senate-panel-ready-ok-gun-background-checks-073956773—politics.html


28 posted on 03/12/2013 6:29:09 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: GrootheWanderer
They can't really be this dumb. Can they?

Yes.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 7:17:04 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: GrootheWanderer
They can't really be this dumb. Can they?

Never, ever, imagine the GOP (Gutless Old Poltroons) aren't capable of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - or showing their feet of clay are just that: feet of clay!

30 posted on 03/12/2013 7:58:17 AM PDT by Gritty (Necessity is the plea for every infringement of freedom; it is the argument of tyrants-PM Wm Pitt)
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To: GrootheWanderer

2nd Amendment bump for later...


31 posted on 03/12/2013 9:03:47 AM PDT by indthkr
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To: GrootheWanderer

See, it doesn’t matter who we elect. It’s one party rule.

They only care about their own interests. Plain and simple.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 4:59:02 AM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: GrootheWanderer
1.The NRA is cutting backroom deals to centralize gun owner data collection into the Obama/Holder massive government data base.

A centralized system is less costly to fight and far more lucrative for the NRA to appear to be “fixing“.

Like all establishment political lobbies the key to their job security is assisting in making problems they end up being called upon to “fix“

Shades of the NRA's Brady Bill "deal."

33 posted on 03/13/2013 8:59:15 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics is.)
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To: GrootheWanderer

GOP Ready To Cave On Gun Control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If true, this will be the utter end of the GOP.


34 posted on 03/13/2013 9:13:53 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: GrootheWanderer

GOP Ready To Cave On Gun Control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

If true, this will be the utter end of the GOP.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 9:15:29 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: GrootheWanderer

Thanks for posting the whole thing.


36 posted on 03/13/2013 9:15:54 AM PDT by OKSooner (Godspeed, 3-D Danny.)
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To: chris37

“The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.”-Ayn Rand

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/aynrand125008.html#IHeq6sTBQjTQbyLU.99


37 posted on 03/14/2013 10:12:11 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: GrootheWanderer

An Opposing viewpoint:

From the Virginia Sports Shooting Association:

http://virginiashootingsportsassociation.blogspot.com/2013/02/cantor-and-background-checks.html

Wednesday, February 27, 2013

Cantor and Background Checks

Earlier today, a group billing itself as a “National” gun rights organization put out an email that said they were “exposing” Eric Cantor working with Representative Carolyn McCarthy to criminalize private sales and “strip law-abiding people of the their gun rights FOR LIFE.” The email also mentioned Rep. Scott Rigell. While it is true that Rigell has co-sponsored legislation with Carolyn McCarthy, Cantor has not.

This is what Cantor told CNN on February 5th:

“I think that we can take a lot of lessons from what Virginia did and put it in place at the federal level, because there are a lot of states that aren’t doing what Virginia is doing to try and beef up the database for the background checks to make sure that we actually can do something that does have a chance at reducing the likelihood and hopefully eliminating it from happening again,” Cantor said.

Cantor was talking about improving the mental health information that is reported into the NICS, information that Virginia currently leads the nation in reporting.
No where has Cantor said that he supports criminalizing private sales by supporting so-called “universal” background checks.

This is just one more in a long line of misstatements by this group to draw attention to itself. Cantor is solid on this issue. VSSA’s sources on The Hill tell us that Cantor and Representative Bob Goodlatte, who today said he does not support “universal” background checks, are on the same page.


38 posted on 03/18/2013 7:21:15 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: Gopher Broke
You can't come on here...and ruin Freeper's rants like that!!

/s

39 posted on 03/18/2013 7:27:10 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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