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Five Guys: Obamacare will boost burger prices [job losses because of Obamacare]
Washington Examiner ^ | March 11, 2013

Posted on 03/11/2013 9:22:40 PM PDT by grundle

The fight over Obamacare, so far held at the 30,000-foot level, is about to hit home. The latest impact hot off the grill: prices of burgers and hot dogs at Five Guys, the national chain that started in Washington, are going to rise to cover the president's mandated insurance coverage.

"Any added costs are going to have to be passed on," said Mike Ruffer, a Five Guys franchise holder with eight of the popular restaurants in the Raleigh-Durham, N.C. area. He will need all the profits from at least one of his eight outlets just to cover his estimated added $60,000-a year in new Obamacare costs.

What's more, he's iced plans to build another three restaurants until after the administration explains the exact rules and penalties employers will face. The law's plan to have those available March 1 has been pushed back to October.

"I'm kind of in a holding pattern," said Ruffer, a former Marriott executive who added that many franchise owners are in a similar situation.

Ruffer was the star witness at a Monday Heritage Foundation seminar on the impact Obamacare will have on small businesses. He is typical of many: Because he has enough full time employees to activate the law, he faces either coughing up the money to provide health insurance or paying a fine of up to $3,000 per worker.

Ruffer initially thought he would escape the law because he created each restaurant as its own company. But the law doesn't recognize that distinction, so now he's trying to determine if he can fire enough workers, or cut enough hours, to slide out of the grasp of Obamacare.

He said that "scorched earth plan," however, would hurt his restaurants, so Ruffer is likely to either pay the fine or buy insurance. But spreading the costs over his basic menu of fries, drinks, burgers and hot dogs, could scare off customers, he worries. He said that the recent spike in gas prices cut into his profits since fewer people were stopping at his restaurants.

And the health care law isn't only going to hit Ruffer. He's quizzed his workers to ask if they understand that they will be fined if they don't get health insurance. Just one of 20 workers were aware of the $95 tax penalty that rises to $695 by 2016.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: bhohealthcare; fallout; fiveguys; freehealthcare; obamacare
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1 posted on 03/11/2013 9:22:40 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Their burgers are already 40% higher than most other burger joints.


2 posted on 03/11/2013 9:23:34 PM PDT by RightFighter (It was all for nothing.)
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To: grundle

Sounds like someone is aching for a drone strike. I think criticizing Obama like this makes them enemy combatants.


3 posted on 03/11/2013 9:26:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: RightFighter

Tell me about it! That is one reason I refuse to eat there!


4 posted on 03/11/2013 9:31:09 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: grundle

5 posted on 03/11/2013 9:33:47 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: grundle

The sick part about it: Five Guys is Obama’s favorite burger joint! He has said so in the past.


6 posted on 03/11/2013 9:34:36 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: grundle

it is so wrong muslims are exempt from all this crap. either we all are or none of us are.


7 posted on 03/11/2013 9:40:15 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: RightFighter

Well, the term “burger joint” comes out of the what, 70’s? Five Guys is right in line price wise with similar restaurants - the home made burger restaurants that give huge servings of fries and all kinds of condiments.


8 posted on 03/11/2013 9:45:01 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: grundle

It’s only just begun...


9 posted on 03/11/2013 10:01:30 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: grundle


10 posted on 03/11/2013 10:04:51 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: RightFighter

BeeeCuzzzz They are way better than CrapDonalds....


11 posted on 03/11/2013 10:18:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Vendome

At least Mickey D’s does not allow EBT unlike BK, Subway etc...


12 posted on 03/11/2013 10:21:37 PM PDT by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: RightFighter

Yes. A bit higher price for a far better burger.


13 posted on 03/11/2013 10:22:50 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: grundle
Universal Suffrage

The socialist dictatorships of Chavez, Castro, and Hussein Baraka wouldn't be possible without it.

14 posted on 03/11/2013 10:22:50 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: max americana

Some Mickey D’s do accept EBT.


15 posted on 03/11/2013 10:24:49 PM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: grundle

They just opened a few in Memphis. I didn’t know the One liked them.


16 posted on 03/11/2013 10:30:58 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: max americana

I don’t have a real problem with EBT at Subway, BK, etc.

I do have a problem with purchases of sugar laden foods and alcoholic beverages.

My mileage and we are probably on the same page.


17 posted on 03/11/2013 10:48:20 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: grundle
Tried the place once. Slow service and a burger that really wasn't worth the $10 price tag. I get a better value at Fuddruckers for fancy stuff or Carl's Jr. In-an-Out is decent too, but I don't go there often either.

A competitor in Pocatello posted a remark on his own sign: One guy. Better burgers. Faster. Cheaper. Correct on all accounts.

18 posted on 03/11/2013 11:16:49 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: null and void

I would make this bet...by 2016, a delux Five Guys burger will likely run around $14.


19 posted on 03/12/2013 12:11:44 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: grundle

“Ruffer initially thought he would escape the law because he created each restaurant as its own company. But the law doesn’t recognize that distinction...”

How does it not “recognize that distinction”? If you have SEPARATE COMPANIES how can it hold those as legally one?

What if a small businessman owns several completely unrelated companies? Are they all lumped into one?


20 posted on 03/12/2013 12:17:18 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: grundle
Coming soon to America:


21 posted on 03/12/2013 1:16:37 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: Myrddin

Yeah. I ate there ONCE. T that was enough.

Across the street from Five Guys is a locally owned restaurant that serves good burgers in a wide variety.

So, I get a bacon Tillamook cheddar burger with FFs and a glass of red wine. And there is this huge fireplace...all for less that $16.00.


22 posted on 03/12/2013 1:23:07 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

But those are full service restaurants, no?


23 posted on 03/12/2013 1:57:45 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Vendome

I have a problem with EBT at any kind of restaurant.

Given that taxpayers are footing the bill, they should be preparing cheap food at home!


24 posted on 03/12/2013 2:00:02 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: PastorBooks

I think you can see where creating multiple small companies to evade regulation as a larger company could be problematic for regulators.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 2:08:24 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Vince Ferrer

Many moons ago, I walked into a Roy Rogers’ and ordered a “Trigger Burger”. They kicked me out.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 2:09:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: PastorBooks
What if a small businessman owns several completely unrelated companies? Are they all lumped into one?

For purposes of Obamacare, yes.

27 posted on 03/12/2013 2:29:18 AM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Vendome
Article-so Ruffer is likely to either pay the fine or buy insurance. But spreading the costs over his basic menu of fries, drinks, burgers and hot dogs, could scare off customers, he worries

Vendome - BeeeCuzzzz They are way better than CrapDonalds....

Didn't CrapDonalds get an exemption from zerocare?

28 posted on 03/12/2013 3:59:25 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: grundle

I went to one here in Houston. The peanuts were soggy. Winds up that they were something like 2 months old, and unsealed for a while...and that may work in DC, but not in Houston. So I told them, and they laughed. No big deal, I think we’ll get the last laugh in on these clowns.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 4:18:03 AM PDT by BobL (Look up "CSCOPE" if you want to see something really scary)
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To: RightFighter

Isnt this the chain that hires all illegals?


30 posted on 03/12/2013 4:24:32 AM PDT by boldtruth11
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To: grundle
And the health care law isn't only going to hit Ruffer. He's quizzed his workers to ask if they understand that they will be fined if they don't get health insurance. Just one of 20 workers were aware of the $95 tax penalty that rises to $695 by 2016.

Wonder how many voted for "The Won"?

31 posted on 03/12/2013 4:36:25 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Fighting Obama without Boehner & McConnell is like going deer hunting without your accordion)
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To: grundle

So, The rise in the price of the $ menu at Wendy’s from $1 to $1.29 is attributable to Obamacare, not inflation of underlying food prices?

I’ll have to ponder that because I was convinced the general rise in fast food was the result of the rise in the price of beef and flour and potatoes


32 posted on 03/12/2013 4:43:02 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: max americana

-—EBT-—

?????


33 posted on 03/12/2013 4:45:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: grundle
The law's plan to have those available March 1 has been pushed back to October.

Good grief! Failure to comply with the law doesn't apply to those who made it.

34 posted on 03/12/2013 4:47:05 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: rawhide; RightFighter
So, Obamacare has succeeded...less people will eat burgers and hot dogs because of even higher prices.

Obama...thinks he's King Midas but everything he touches turns to shi'ite!

35 posted on 03/12/2013 4:49:52 AM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: grundle

I hate these burgers. Worst I have tasted. Although I don’t want to see people losing jobs especially because of the dreadful Obamacare.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 5:03:31 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Graybeard58
Didn't CrapDonalds get an exemption from zerocare?

5 Guys needs to file a suit against the federal government since their rights are being denied under the 14th Amendment.

37 posted on 03/12/2013 5:12:30 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (All that is required for evil to advance is for government to do "something")
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To: rawhide

They are 40% better than Mickey D’s or BK.


38 posted on 03/12/2013 5:17:01 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: pepsionice

Yes, but this super hot economy will allow wages to move up, so that will be in line.

( you have to know this is sarcasm.)


39 posted on 03/12/2013 5:19:26 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Does anybody really know what time it is? Does anybody really care?)
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To: Secret Agent Man
it is so wrong muslims are exempt from all this crap. either we all are or none of us are.

I can't understand why the Catholic Church and others aren't fighting back on these grounds.

40 posted on 03/12/2013 5:19:48 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: bert
"I’ll have to ponder that because I was convinced the general rise in fast food was the result of the rise in the price of beef and flour and potatoes."

But prices don''t seem to be getting much higher at places like Applebee's, Denny's, Cracker Barrel, etc.

41 posted on 03/12/2013 5:45:12 AM PDT by randita
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To: randita

Those places are in mortal danger. They have reduced portions and changed the menu to sell two for $20 or such.


42 posted on 03/12/2013 5:50:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: jersey117; Secret Agent Man
it is so wrong muslims are exempt from all this crap.

I believe that is an internet hoax.
43 posted on 03/12/2013 6:00:10 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: COBOL2Java
Probably most of them.

I know a guy that works at Cracker Barrel in Florida and he said that his bosses told him to be sure to vote for obmama because Rommney would get rid of medicare and medicade. He does not vote.

44 posted on 03/12/2013 6:15:49 AM PDT by sport
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To: bert

—EBT-—

?????


Electronic
Benefits
Transfer

(welfare/foodstamps)


45 posted on 03/12/2013 6:28:30 AM PDT by Peet (Notice: Due to the high price of ammo, there will be NO warning shots.)
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To: Peet

Got it... thanks


46 posted on 03/12/2013 7:10:36 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: grundle

47 posted on 03/12/2013 7:13:08 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: pepsionice
I would make this bet...by 2016, a delux Five Guys burger will likely run around $14.

Something like that...

to scarface367
On News/Activism ^ 01/06/2008 5:00:33 PM PST · 86 of 169 ^

Inflation has pretty much been uniformly positive since the 1930s.

Using non-inflation adjusted dollars will ultimately put us all in the top tax bracket.

This is why I am confedent that I will get back every single penny I have put into Social “Security” in the past 4 decades.

Of course, by then a hamburger might cost $1999.99, still, I’ll get every penny...


48 posted on 03/12/2013 8:06:51 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

I agree, Five Guys is hardly different in price from other places. A Five Guys combo is about the same price as a large sized McDonald’s combo. The portions at Five Guys are huge (particularly the fries).

I’ll take a place like Five Guys any day over the meat paste from McDonald’s.


49 posted on 03/12/2013 8:14:56 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: jaydubya2; jersey117; Secret Agent Man
jersey117; Secret Agent Man ~ it is so wrong muslims are exempt from all this crap.

jaydubya2 ~ I believe that is an internet hoax.

Nope. Muslims and Anabaptists (Amish, Mennonite, Hutterite) are exempt on religious grounds.

The Amish take care of their own as part of their religion.

The muslims regard insurance as gambling, it is specifically forbidden. (Even Snopes says that as such they can apply for exemption, while denying they have one!)

You didn't read the bill before you passed it didja?

Well, now you've found out what's in it...

50 posted on 03/12/2013 8:26:20 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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