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Rand Paul: GOP must 'evolve' on immigration
www.politico.com ^ | 01/13/2013 | Kevin Cirilli

Posted on 03/12/2013 9:17:28 AM PDT by SoConPubbie

Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that Republicans must “evolve” on immigration while preventing America from becoming a magnet for immigrants to come and get benefits.

We cannot just be a beacon for everyone to come here on benefits,” Paul said on conservative commentator Bryan Fischer’s radio program Wednesday. “You can’t have open borders in a welfare state. We’ve got a pretty significant welfare state, so it’s not just about normalizing the 11 or 12 million here, it’s whether or not while you’re doing that another 11 or 12 million come in, and I think that will bankrupt the country,” Paul said.

"My proposal is that each year we vote on a report [on border security]… so each year if we’re going to normalize some of the people who are undocumented here, it is dependent on a vote on the border security that affirms that we are securing the border.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: 113th; aliens; amnesty; illegals; immigration; paul; randpaul; rino
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1 posted on 03/12/2013 9:17:28 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: SoConPubbie

How ‘bout closing the damn gate first, huh Rand?


2 posted on 03/12/2013 9:19:06 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

It’s POLITICO!!!


3 posted on 03/12/2013 9:19:55 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SoConPubbie
It's not rocket surgery, Rand.

Stop giving them free sh*t and they'll go home.

4 posted on 03/12/2013 9:20:46 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: SoConPubbie

NO! Illegal is ILLEGAL!! Simply cut off their jobs by fining the employer and quit with the benefits and they’ll go back to where they came. Cut this sh&& about how “difficult it is to round ‘em up”!


5 posted on 03/12/2013 9:21:09 AM PDT by albie (re)
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To: US Navy Vet
Marco Rubio is on the amnesty bandwagon too.

I'm afraid amnesty is going to get rammed down our throats.

You know, to win favor with the illegal immigrant vote.

6 posted on 03/12/2013 9:23:20 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: SoConPubbie

This is where I part company with Rand. I prefer Mike Lee or Ted Cruz for this reason, though Rand is hard to beat on the size of government.


7 posted on 03/12/2013 9:23:30 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: SoConPubbie
There goes the media again...trying to confuse Illegal Immigration (Wetbacks) with Legal Immigration (Green Card Holders)

Need to come up with better "Official" names to distingush between IL-Legal "immigrants" and Legal immigrants.

That way even the low information voter will know the difference.

8 posted on 03/12/2013 9:24:45 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: TexasCajun

“Marco Rubio” has ALWAYS been a FRAUD and a GOP-e SQUISH. You cannot trust ANY politican from Florida.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 9:26:25 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: SoConPubbie

Auction off citizenship. (Background checks required.)

That way we get smart, hard-working, entrepreneurial, conservative, wealthy people.

If we held a Dutch Auction each year for 10,000 citizens, I’ll bet we could get $1M each. That’s $10B of deficit reduction from abroad before they start paying taxes, opening businesses, hiring Americans and spending their money.

The WSJ suggested this a week or two ago, about a decade after I regularly recommended it here on FR.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:07 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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To: SharpRightTurn

Same here and even then he stands head and shoulders over the cowards who are desperately trying to destroy him.


11 posted on 03/12/2013 9:27:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: SoConPubbie

I don’t know why this is so difficult. Immigration laws should serve the interests of citizens.

Citizens should have a say in how many people are allowed to immigrate each year, and what kinds of people, and from where, because these are people who we are agreeing will share our sovereignty with us. We are agreeing that, a few years down the road, they will have an equal say in everything we do.

Immigration law should not be used to manipulate demographic patterns, or voting patterns, or labor costs. When that becomes its purpose we’ve lost the plot.

People who are not citizens do not have an automatic God-given right to be here. If our forefathers fought for independence its because we chose to be separate and to mark out our own course. We have always been open to immigration but there should be nothing automatic about that. For sure, when real unemployment is nearing 20% and you have millions out of work including millions they don’t even bother to count anymore they’ve been unemployed so long, immigration should be very limited.


12 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:37 AM PDT by marron
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To: SharpRightTurn

This is part of the pollution of libertarianism into conservatism.

There are very valid reasons for preserving culture and tradition, and libertarians rarely see the dangers of cultural corruption and destruction.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 9:28:53 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“You can’t have open borders in a welfare state.”

Sounds like Milton Friedman.


14 posted on 03/12/2013 9:29:12 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: SoConPubbie

So Saint Paul ain’t all THAT, hmm?
So does “evolve” mean asking for a pivet hedge on the border instead of a 100,000 volt electrified, razor serpentine, poisoned, alligator-filled moat barrier?
The whoosification of America....


15 posted on 03/12/2013 9:29:28 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: SoConPubbie

So Saint Paul ain’t all THAT, hmm?
So does “evolve” mean asking for a pivet hedge on the border instead of a 100,000 volt electrified, razor serpentine, poisoned, alligator-filled moat barrier?
The whoosification of America....


16 posted on 03/12/2013 9:30:04 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: marron

There should be some “assimilation index”.

If the immigrants are assimilating, let them in.
When they start balkanizing and not assimilating to our culture, then slow the influx down for a few years.

This idea really ticks off libs and liberts. For reasons I’ll keep to myself, Western culture has no value to them.


17 posted on 03/12/2013 9:30:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SoConPubbie

We don’t have a major problem with immigration.

We have a problem with illegal immigration caused by the failure of the federal government to enforce the law of the land.

The federal government seems to spend 98% of it’s energy and discretionary funds doing many things that are not part of its constitutional duties.

At the same time it ignores or does a poor job of carrying out its few constitutional duties.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 9:33:11 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: BillyBoy; AuntB; Tennessee Nana; La Lydia
Conflicting messages ping!

Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Wednesday that Republicans must “evolve” on immigration while preventing America from becoming a magnet for immigrants to come and get benefits.
We cannot just be a beacon for everyone to come here on benefits,” Paul said on conservative commentator Bryan Fischer’s radio program Wednesday. “You can’t have open borders in a welfare state. We’ve got a pretty significant welfare state, so it’s not just about normalizing the 11 or 12 million here, it’s whether or not while you’re doing that another 11 or 12 million come in, and I think that will bankrupt the country,” Paul said.

19 posted on 03/12/2013 9:34:05 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: SoConPubbie
Oh yeah, gotta have a little controversy over Paul.
GOPe just cannot have him getting too uppity.

Anyone here that does not know Rand Paul's stance on immigration by now is probably too stupid to even vote.
It has not changed a bit since the first time I heard him and is very little different from his father's.

20 posted on 03/12/2013 9:34:22 AM PDT by Tupelo (Old, Bald, Ugly, Fat and Broke in Arizona)
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To: SoConPubbie

Yep- GOP must go from thinking that ‘illegal’ is actually illrgal to thinking that ‘illegal’ means entitled

What the hell is with all these politicians compromising? Let’s just htrow up signs all along hte boarder announcing that we are dropping the word ‘illegal’ from our terminology and inviting anyone across for full US benifits and entitlements- infact, let’s just drop the words ‘sin’ ‘ciminals’ crime’ ‘murderer’ etc etc etc from our vocabulary because by golly we don’t want to offend anyone- Whiel we’re at it, let’s throw God compeltely out of America- We don’t need Him anymore- He’s blessed us, and now we can ‘stand on our own two feet’ so let’s just throw Him out because some folks fiund Him objectionable- wouldn’t want to offend a small minority of people in the US by allowing Him to stay and continue blessing us-


21 posted on 03/12/2013 9:44:38 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: marron

[[Citizens should have a say in how many people are allowed to immigrate each year, and what kinds of people, and from where, because these are people who we are agreeing will share our sovereignty with us. We are agreeing that, a few years down the road, they will have an equal say in everything we do.]]

Holy Cow- that’s PRECISELY what soemoen from the GOP SHOULD be sayign before Congress- over and over and over again until the peopel in congress get it through their thick self righteous skulls that they work for US!- but apparently thsoe who represent US have NO itnerest in actually representign US


22 posted on 03/12/2013 9:47:46 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Tupelo
Oh yeah, gotta have a little controversy over Paul. GOPe just cannot have him getting too uppity.

Really?

The GOP-e is thrilled with his position on amnesty.

After all, it's always been theirs as well
23 posted on 03/12/2013 9:47:50 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: SharpRightTurn

Same with me. Rand’s record so far is admittedly terrific, and I hardly want to rain on his parade after last week’s stellar offering. But I can’t help but be wary, not wanting to be blindsided by sudden, extremely unwelcome libertarian inclinations, from open-borders to pro-dope and whatnot.

If Rand joins with Rubio on amnesty, he will never get my vote. Some GOP-E types think that if they just push this garbage through now, it will be behind them, and the issue will be dead by the 2016 election. More likely it will be the Party’s final death-knell.


24 posted on 03/12/2013 9:51:40 AM PDT by greene66
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To: SoConPubbie

He’s the Nigel Farage of the USA!


25 posted on 03/12/2013 10:00:27 AM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: SoConPubbie; Liz

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

When Willard the AMNESTY Bill pusher was the e-GOP nominee we were chastised (nice term) for not voting for him...

Now the e-GOP is trying to cast Rand Paul as Willard II ???

Cant we get over the need for Romney influence and all the anti-American aspects it entails and get back FINALLY to the Constitution ???

This is never about immigration...

Its about allowing anti-immigration lawbreakers to flaunt and override our sovereign laws..

I dont know what Rand Paul wants on this issue and I’ll worry about that when we get to primary 2016...

Meanwhile hes amongst the forerunner for POTUS...

One requirement being...guts and sticking up for America...

Dont look to any of the old guard e-GOP for that...

I dont think a Republican has to kiss Obamas butt at a useless dinner while theres a country to be run/saved to prove they are doing something of substance...

The place for our representatives both Senatye and house last Wednesday was the Capitol building, not out laffing it up with the clown of the White Hut...

Bob Corker of TN ???

Yeppers thats no surprize to us...

He was a RINO from the start...

He employed illegal aliens...knowingly..

and sent his peons to beat back and slander those of us who fought the AMNESTY Bills..

Dont look at me ...I never voted for him...

I voted for Ed Bryant...


26 posted on 03/12/2013 10:12:34 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: MrB
This is part of the pollution of libertarianism into conservatism.

There are very valid reasons for preserving culture and tradition, and libertarians rarely see the dangers of cultural corruption and destruction.


I consider myself libertarian yet I believe in closing the borders and restricting who we take in. We also need to worry about Iran and North Korea although we do need to quit running around the world and trying to civilize it although we can't turn out backs totally against it either. Not all libertarians think the same, on these two parts, I tend to break away.
27 posted on 03/12/2013 10:12:48 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Whitey, I miss you so much. Take care, pretty girl. (4-15-2001 - 10-12-2012))
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To: SoConPubbie
I don't agree with Paul completely here, but this article smells like an attempt to knock him down a few pegs as a conservative darling.

What he's saying isn't half as bad as Rubio's plan.

28 posted on 03/12/2013 10:16:46 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SoConPubbie
We need to evolve back to the position of sending all illegals home. It will take some doing. Right now people are torn between making them full citizens or just giving them green cards. It has already "evolved" in the public arena way past where the American people are. And so it will take an evolution and a leader who causes the evolution. Call it Fabian Patriotism.

Start with closing the border. Then start enforcing employer sanctions. Give employers a warning before you actually start enforcement. Announce that there will be no more use of false SSN's. Imprison those who commit these felonies already on the books.

If it turns out we actually need cheap labor supplied by illegal aliens (I am skeptical; I think all it does is lower labor costs but that the cost to society is far higher than the benefit), then we can always pass laws that provide for temporary workers, under very strict conditions and supervision, to be allowed into the country. Without their kids, spouses and grandmothers.

When you get this far, attack the issues of illegal alien benefits and education. That is a theft by a trespasser of goods and services of tens of thousands of dollars a year. It is more harmful to this country than all the petty burglaries combined. People will cry out about the horror of being mean to women and children; that's why we will have to evolve to rationality. Explain how much it costs our society and why we can't afford it. This is getting close to the end game. Eliminate the benefits and there will be no reason for them to be here.

Next, we have to get a handle on the notion of birth citizenship by illegals. There is no such thing, but we have treated it like there is. It is therefore a difficult situation, especially as to those who have been given purported citizenship and treated as citizens. How do you take it away once granted? I might be willing to allow those "illegal citizens" to remain citizens, so long as the law was clarified to ensure that in the future, only those born in the US to parents who were here legally, and not on tourist visas, diplomatic visas, student visas, etc.

All we have to do for any of these things to happen is to follow the Constitution and the existing law. The Constitution does not actually require that we provide benefits to illegals, for example, although the Supreme Court has said we do. It was one of the more legislative decisions of the 20th Century. The law provides for criminal penalties for employing illegals, and for illegals using phony documents. The law even allows for forfeiture of assets of those transporting aliens, or of houses in which people conspired to hide illegal aliens. The people have been led to lawlessness by their elites' desire to foist a new minority on us, and it is up to new leaders to evolve us out of it.

Rand Paul, don't know what you are thinking on this issue.

29 posted on 03/12/2013 10:18:21 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: SoConPubbie

And thus dies Rand Paul’s presidential prospects.

The Republican party is contemplating suicide. And amnesty for illegal immigration will be the weapon.

Romney did not lose because of his strong and consistent stand against amnesty.

He lost because the rest of the Republican elites - politicians like McCain, strategists and consultants like Rove, the Chamber of Commerce and the Wall Street Journal, and imbeciles on Romney’s campaign, like Eric (Etch-a-Sketch) Fehrnstrom - painted a picture that Republicans were not serious on stopping illegal immigration, so why even bother to vote?

The overwhelming majority of the American people want illegal immigration stopped, and do not want to reward law-breaking illegal aliens with citizenship. You would think that it would therefore be obvious that a strong stand AGAINST illegal immigration would be a winning strategy.

But the ruling class, even in the Republican party, think it is necessary to pander to illegals at great expense to the American people, and submit to the economic pressure and greed of the Chamber of Commerce types who want to maximize profits on the backs of illegal aliens.


30 posted on 03/12/2013 10:25:25 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: skeeter; sickoflibs; All

“I don’t agree with Paul completely here, but this article smells like an attempt to knock him down a few pegs as a conservative darling.

What he’s saying isn’t half as bad as Rubio’s plan. “

EXACTLY! We WILL have an amnesty, people, time to face that fact. I’d trust Paul to cut off the magnets and enforce the law before the others.

As he states, we already have defacto amnesty, because few of them, including criminals are being deported.

Sen. Rand Paul: Trust but verify on immigration reform
www.washingtontimes.com
“I am in favor of immigration reform. I am also wary of reforms granted now for a promise of border security later.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/8/sen-rand-paul-trust-verify-immigration-reform/


31 posted on 03/12/2013 10:27:05 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SoConPubbie

There already is a path to citizenship, it’s called “Get In Line and Get Your Citizenship Just Like Any Other Immigrant.”


32 posted on 03/12/2013 10:29:15 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SoConPubbie

33 posted on 03/12/2013 10:33:23 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana
This is never about immigration...It's about allowing invaders to flaunt and override our sovereign laws.....

True and it's also about the Ohaha crowd rubbing our faces in it......AND mostly about money. The invaders know vote-crazed pols will trip over themselves to giveaway as many US freebies as possible---in exchange for latino votes.

A GLIMPSE OF WHAT WE'RE IN FOR---- THIRD WORLD COUNTRIES W/ PRESSURE GROUPS IN THE US (here illegally): Argentina, Belize, Bolivia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica Republic, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Puerto Rico (stateside), Salvador, Spain, Uruguay, Venezuela..... co-conspirators include (1) The National Association of Latino Electoral and Appointed Officials, (2) La Raza, (3) Voto Latino, (4) The Congressional Hispanic Caucus, (5) state Hispanic Federations,(6) latino PAC's, etc, etc, etc.....

CONSPIRACY IN MOTION House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi told Fox's Chris Wallac, "It is almost a false argument to say that we have a spending problem (WRT sequestration)." (TRANSLATION: And besides, we need trillions to subsidize all our "new citizens" who will vote---and make me Majority Leader, again---not to mention the billions in foreign aid we plan to give to all the countries on the other side of the border.)

L-R--Sen. Robert Menendez , (D-NJ); Dr Salomon Melgen, VOXXI Chman of the Board; Rep Nancy Pelosi; Francisco J. Sanchez, Under Secy of Commerce for Intl Trade, and Emilio Sanchez, president and CEO of VOXXI at the Ntl Assoc of Latino Elected and Appt Officials Gala in Washington. (Photo/ Voxxi---Melgen's web site)

34 posted on 03/12/2013 10:50:59 AM PDT by Liz
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To: Nowhere Man

You sound like you’re kinda where I am.
Me: Leave me alone and Western Culture is worth preserving.


35 posted on 03/12/2013 10:53:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: albie

Why should it be an employer’s responsibility to enforce immigration laws?


36 posted on 03/12/2013 11:03:57 AM PDT by BillGunn (Bill Gunn for Congress district one rep. Massachusetts)
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To: oldbill

Romney did not lose because of his strong and consistent stand against amnesty.
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well he never had one..

he was strongly anti-immigration and for the AMNESTY Bills..

He said “we cant send they all back”

and

“we must find a path to citizenship”

seems like Willard wrote the marching instructions for the rest of the Kennedy Wing of the Republican Party..


37 posted on 03/12/2013 11:17:16 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SoConPubbie; All

Would you like to know what Cuban born Al Cardenas, the head of the ACU (American Conservative Union) and one of the powers that be at CPAC think about the Gang of 8’s Amnesty??

Ready???

“Statement from ACU Chairman Al Cardenas on Immigration Legislation

Published: January 28, 2013
Contact: Laura Rigas, (202) 347-9388, lrigas@conservative.org

“It seems that a growing number of Democrats & Republicans in Congress have found common ground on agreed-upon principles for immigration reform.

Congratulations to both sides of the aisle in forging a responsible framework today. Difficult days lay ahead in working out specifics on the legislation itself, but the Senate is off to a good start and I encourage the House to follow suit.”[snip]

It’s not by accident that Grover Norquist, who wrote the Bush amnesty & destroyed every immigration reform ever made is in league with CPAC, ACU who is headed by Al Cardenas, another AMNESTY pusher. Do you understand that these men have hijacked the tea party movement to further their own goals?

[snip]Contention at CPAC 2013: The Counterjihad vs. Grover Norquist, Brett Kimberlin, et. al.

[snip]Ooooh, looky here:

This page lists board of directors of the American Conservative Union, which hosts CPAC. The page isn’t easy to find, most likely because it shows both Grover Norquist and fellow mole Suhail Khan. Grover is keeping a low profile; as of this writing, I don’t see him on the speakers’ roster.

The ACU chairman is Al Cardenas,who has been pushing for another amnesty for illegal aliens.He actually expects us to believe that giving eleven million illegal aliens (including a large number of Muslim infiltrators) will “stimulate the conservative electorate.”

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2013/03/contention-at-cpac-2013-the-counterjihad-vs-grover-norquist-brett-kimberlin-et-al-8-2596006.html


38 posted on 03/12/2013 11:17:49 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SoConPubbie

You can’t have open borders in a welfare state.

Europe is in the middle of learning this very hard lesson....

It makes sense, you cannot support a welfare state with open borders, heck even with closed borders you cannot sustain a welfare state, though you can prolong it longer...


39 posted on 03/12/2013 11:26:56 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: MrB
libertarians rarely see the dangers of cultural corruption and destruction.

libertarians rarely never

40 posted on 03/12/2013 11:45:52 AM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: TurboZamboni

“You can’t have open borders in a welfare state.”

And, we have the welfare state. And while many of us, and Rand presumably, would like to eliminate the Welfare State that isn’t going to happen.

So what is left as a plausible solution is closing the borders and essentially ending immigration, particularly of people who are going to take more than they give. (Which statistics tell us is *most* of current immigrants)

I also agree with the comments made here that Libertarians don’t put enough emphasis on conserving tradition and culture. They are sort of the polar opposite of Marxists, both reduce man to homo-economicus, man the econonmic unit. To the Marxist collectivist economics solves all social problems. To the libertarian, free market economics solves all problems.

The truth is that there are many realms outside of economics that need to be attended to if one is going to have a healthy society.


41 posted on 03/12/2013 12:53:10 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Jack Black

All he has to do is say that we want the same controls on our border that the Mexicans have on theirs’.

Who could argue with that?


42 posted on 03/12/2013 12:54:15 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: BillGunn
Why should it be an employer’s responsibility to enforce immigration laws?

They might have a clue if the guy they are hiring doesn’t speak a word of English.

43 posted on 03/12/2013 1:18:36 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Stop giving them free sh*t and they'll go home.

That is the way I think too. Get rid of the freebies and they will self deport. Especially since Mexico has a lower unemployment rate that we have here.

44 posted on 03/12/2013 1:20:35 PM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dims are stupid, period. End of conversation.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Better do your research - you are wrong.


45 posted on 03/12/2013 1:21:37 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: oldbill

Kid I have been known to be wrong on the rare occaison...

But I’m not wrong about Willard’s Amnesty Bill lovin ways...

Willard also hired illegal aliens knowing he was breaking the law...

oh noez...


46 posted on 03/12/2013 1:27:55 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Uncle Miltie

It takes a long time before good ideas are acknowledged.

But the real problem is the business world wants uneducated, low cost workers and the Mexicans fill their bill. The NEA is doing the best they can to dumb down the American students just in case immigration doesn’t pass in Congress.


47 posted on 03/12/2013 1:44:36 PM PDT by B4Ranch (When democracy turns to tyranny, we still get to vote. We just won't use voting boxes to do it.)
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To: oldbill; Tennessee Nana
Better do your research - you are wrong.

Does it really matter with Mitt?

This is the same Mitt who said in January '12 at CPAC he had always been Pro-Life, then in August of '12, after winning the Primaries, stated he was for Abortion in cases of Rape, Incest, Life, and Health of the mother as he had always been.

Anything that Mitt Romney states is a calculated lie and he has already taken the opposite position somewhere in his recent past.

Why any thinking conservative would take Mitt Romney at his word about anything conservative given his ACTUAL Progressive Liberal past is beyond me.
48 posted on 03/12/2013 10:46:45 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: Jack Black
So what is left as a plausible solution is closing the borders and essentially ending immigration, particularly of people who are going to take more than they give. (Which statistics tell us is *most* of current immigrants)

So, Rand Paul's plan to give Amnesty to 2 million Illegals(A.K.A. Democrat Voters) each and every year is a plausible solution?

You do realize you are on a conservative website devoted to conservative principles including NO AMNESTY for illegal Aliens?
49 posted on 03/12/2013 10:49:48 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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To: AuntB; skeeter; sickoflibs
EXACTLY! We WILL have an amnesty, people, time to face that fact. I’d trust Paul to cut off the magnets and enforce the law before the others.

i IF, what you are saying is true, then we either need to give up right now or start the fight right now.

Rand Paul, you, I and every other thinking person know there are least 2x the 10-11 million Illegals present in the country right now and probably more like 3x times.

That is approximately 20million+ Democrat Voters since all they have ever known is dependency on the Government teat and giving them Amnesty won't change that anymore than the Reagan Amnesty engendered in those new citizens enough gratitude to vote in sizable proportions for Republicans after '86.

So, if you really want to destroy the GOP, and therefore the country, then Rand Paul's plan to give Amnesty to 2 million Illegals will accomplish this very quickly.
50 posted on 03/12/2013 10:57:56 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency.)
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