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(EDITORIAL) After Restrictive Legislation in Maryland, Whats Next for Beretta?
Guns.Com ^ | Mar. 12, 2013 | David Higginbotham

Posted on 03/12/2013 9:34:04 AM PDT by EXCH54FE

In the 1980s, Maryland looked like a logical place for Beretta USA to do business. When the 500 year old Italian company began establishing their American made brand image, they found the Old Line State most hospitable. D.C. is a short drive north. Virginia, with its federal agencies and long sporting traditions, is close on the western and southern borders. Beretta chose Accokeek, a area ripe for expansion with a readily available work force and a history of firearms production.

Beretta USA’s presence in the southern part of the state has been an economic boon for the local residents. Beretta USA has contributed millions to the state’s coffers.

Beretta USA’s employees, and countless others involved in supplying their Maryland plant, produce the M9, the side arm of most US military troops.

Why, then, would state legislators actively pursue legislation that will make it impossible for Beretta USA to continue with business as usual? It seems dubious, economically. But politicians aren’t idiots.

It is easier to blame our epidemic social problems on polymer and steel (and appear to be doing something) than it is to actually address the roots of violent behavior and mental illness, (which may shift the responsibility to parents, teachers, media, clergy, voters… all of us). Ban a gun and pat yourself on the back for solving the problem.

But What About Beretta?

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: banglist; beretta; bluestates; manufacturing
For their part, Beretta isn’t saying what they’ll do. Yet. They’re maintaining a professional level of tactful calm. But we don’t have to stay quiet.
1 posted on 03/12/2013 9:34:04 AM PDT by EXCH54FE
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To: EXCH54FE

Beretta needs to move to Texas. We have machinists in this town who have put rockets into space.

They.will.curl.your.hair.


2 posted on 03/12/2013 9:37:35 AM PDT by buffaloguy
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To: EXCH54FE

Would be nice if they started an “embargo” on doing business with the government and law enforcement.


3 posted on 03/12/2013 9:38:03 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: EXCH54FE

Well, I’ll say this. I own multiple Beretta pistols (almost every type they make before their “P” series) and even a CX-4 and a Beretta Stampede.

They will be the LAST Berettas I own that are processed through their Maryland enterprise. I won’t spend my money with appeasers and Vichy conspirators any more. This includes S&W, Springfiled, Colt, et al.


4 posted on 03/12/2013 9:43:36 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: EXCH54FE

“Why, then, would state legislators actively pursue legislation that will make it impossible for Beretta USA to continue with business as usual? It seems dubious, economically. But politicians aren’t idiots. “

The last sentence shows either a wanton disregard for empirical fact, or wistful idiocy......

“For their part, Beretta isn’t saying what they’ll do. Yet. They’re maintaining a professional level of tactful calm. But we don’t have to stay quiet.”

Let’s hope Beretta’s professional level of calm is more ‘tactical’ than tactful....since politicians aren’t idiots....

KYPD


5 posted on 03/12/2013 9:44:33 AM PDT by petro45acp (No good endeavour survives an excess of adult supervision)
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To: EXCH54FE

It would be an expensive proposition but I would like to see Baretta move to a state and community friendly to them and their products.

Perhaps they could gradually phase in a new, more modern facility in a place like Texas, Florida, Wyoming, etc., and gradually phase out the Maryland facility.

The employees in Maryland who can’t or won’t relocate can take the issue up with their idiotic government.


6 posted on 03/12/2013 9:46:16 AM PDT by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: EXCH54FE
I asked my son's friend, a Marine trained small arms expert, which semiauto would be the best to buy. His advice was to avoid Beretta. Last time I was at Bass Pro they were sold out of all of their semiautos except .22’s, those near $1,000, but they had several Berettas.

FR gun experts...was the young Marine right?

7 posted on 03/12/2013 9:47:47 AM PDT by fungoking (Tis a pleasure to live in the Ozarks)
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To: EXCH54FE

>But What About Beretta?

Beretta says they don’t bluff but it seems like they are content to help MD collect revenue to ban more guns.

Their silence now that MD has demonized gun owners is not a good sign.


8 posted on 03/12/2013 9:47:59 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Iron Munro

I’d say Beretta will be looking in markets where there is already a big firearms manufacturer. Labor can be found there rather easily if the MD folk won’t follow the company.


9 posted on 03/12/2013 9:49:58 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: fungoking

I don’t like the M-9/92/96/etc guns because when you detail strip them, plungers, detents, springs, etc tend to go sailing off the bench. They’re spring bombs, in other words. They also use roll pins, which... aren’t what I want to see in a quality firearm.

The Beretta line of shotguns is quite good. Absolutely nothing wrong with their semi-auto shotguns or their double-barreled shotguns.


10 posted on 03/12/2013 9:51:37 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: EXCH54FE
But politicians aren’t idiots.

I wonder, does the author has empirical evidence to back up this claim? I can't think of any...

11 posted on 03/12/2013 9:51:41 AM PDT by HiJinx (The New Year is here; to all Men Good Cheer. (Last one out, turn out the lights.))
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To: soycd

Actually, Beretta testified at the MD senate hearings and were very direct. Even the Italians said they “always had problems in MD”. After the last set of gun grabbing laws MD passed, Beretta moved their warehousing and distribution to VA. They have not been silent.


12 posted on 03/12/2013 9:53:18 AM PDT by battlecry
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To: EXCH54FE

Better than everyone buying a gun, I hope to see every county, especially rural ones, having small gun-making operations. Ammo, too. That way we won’t have to worry about whether outfits like Beretta and S&W get taken over by the government.


13 posted on 03/12/2013 9:53:42 AM PDT by Defiant (If there are infinite parallel universes, why Lord, am I living in the one with Obama as President?)
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To: Iron Munro

Texas will move them here for free!


14 posted on 03/12/2013 9:54:36 AM PDT by tayper (Granny told me, Saying it don't make it so)
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To: EXCH54FE

Beretta should come to South Dakota...no income tax and a long firearms tradition.


15 posted on 03/12/2013 9:55:52 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: EXCH54FE

Texas should take over MD and move in troops.


16 posted on 03/12/2013 9:58:18 AM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: fungoking

I don’t have a 92 or 96 as they don’t fit my hand well, but everyone I have spoken too has had good luck with them. There was a problem of the govt supplying aftermarket magazines that sucked (primary cause of feeding problems IMO) but with factory mags they worked fine.


17 posted on 03/12/2013 10:00:18 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: EXCH54FE

I would bet their government contracts that they stay put in maryland, and don’t say boo about anything, along with all of the other large firearm and ammunition manufacturers in the northeast. They will not jeopardize their business relationship with their largest customer, let alone risk being shut out of their largest market if they don’t play along. Business is business, even in banana republics.


18 posted on 03/12/2013 10:08:03 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: EXCH54FE

” What’s Next for Beretta?” Carry yout A$$ES back to Italy and take that POS 9mm “pistol” with you. The sooner the US military gets back to an “UPDATED” .45ACP handgun and STARTS winning WARS AGAIN the better WE will be.


19 posted on 03/12/2013 10:12:15 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: EXCH54FE
Since modern firearms manufacturing is no longer tied to big brick buildings crammed full of overhead shafts, leather belts and the occasional appearance of Richard Lawrence's ghost, it isn't like Beretta is a captive outfit. A sharp logistics/transition team could get Beretta into a facility located in a sane state very quickly, and I suspect that their subsequent lack of regret - at least once the lines are up and running - would mortify Maryland hoplophobes.

Mr. niteowl77

20 posted on 03/12/2013 10:12:25 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: bmwcyle
Texas should take over MD and move in troops.

Maybe you have a good idea.

Maryland has a history of needing to be occupied to keep it on the straight and narrow. Thousand of Union troops were bivouacked here during the Civil War since it was a slave state full of Southern sympathizers and right on Washington DC's doorstep.

21 posted on 03/12/2013 10:16:01 AM PDT by doc11355
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To: factoryrat

Then what prevents them from splitting the company into two businesses, and simply relocating the private sector part out of Maryland? Government customers get the Maryland production while everyone else gets the production from the other entity in another state.

In a subtle way that could be a way to spite their largest customer.


22 posted on 03/12/2013 10:19:44 AM PDT by setha (It is past time for the United States to take back what the world took away.)
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To: soycd

silence is toxic.

there is only one correct answer.

Dicks Sporting Goods posted a bad quarter in this environment when they could have been turning a profit.

Smith and Wesson found it out in the 1990s.

Demonize the customer and the customer will take their money elsewhere.


23 posted on 03/12/2013 10:31:35 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Darksheare

Do a full Ronnie Barrett, is what you mean! :)


24 posted on 03/12/2013 10:34:36 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: fungoking

No.
There’s nothing really wrong with the military M9 and M9A1 pistols. They have some good features that enabled them to WIN (yes) the small arms contract for the USGI sidearm. Of course, price was one of these, but the M9 pistol met and exceeded the contract requirements.

I used to have a 92FS, which was the product-improved version of the M9 and it shot fine. I think the placement of the decocker/safety on the slide was a mistake, and the open slide was supposed to prevent jams but lets in too much dirt, especially in the desert.

It’s still a fine pistol, but I prefer Glocks and SIGs.


25 posted on 03/12/2013 10:57:57 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: NVDave

Up until the late 1990s, SIGs used roll pins with out issue.

But, I agree about the spring bombs. I used to vacuum up my shop just to filer through the trap to find all the springs I’d lost.


26 posted on 03/12/2013 10:59:05 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: petro45acp
Beretta will move if the State continues to push this legislation. They are a business to sell a product, in order to make money. If they are not wanted in Maryland they will go.
27 posted on 03/12/2013 12:02:36 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: bmwcyle
“Texas should take over MD and move in troops.”
I will drink to that.
28 posted on 03/12/2013 12:04:40 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Daffynition

Exactly.
They’d be crying in weeks.


29 posted on 03/12/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: fungoking
His advice was to avoid Beretta....was the young Marine right?

I would say "No". Beretta has a large line of pistols, including the current issue sidearm of the US military. There are a lot of very nice guns among all those models. Their cowboy action pistols, essentially Single Action Army clones, are very nice in function and fit and finish.

I've played with the new micro-nine, the Nano. It's a really cool gun too. In general Beretta's are very nicely made. But like any mechanical device some people will prefer other designs over Beretta. But they are almost universally acknowledged as a high-quality maker.

Their shotguns are really top shelf, and highly sought after. They are usually considered near the top of production shotguns, and fetch a pretty price.

30 posted on 03/12/2013 12:09:28 PM PDT by Jack Black ( Whatever is left of American patriotism is now identical with counter-revolution.)
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To: Darksheare
Barrett’s Position Regarding the Assault on Liberty 02.20.13

Bears repeating. Wish other manufacturers en masse will grow a pair like Ronnie.
February 20, 2013

Barrett opposes those who are illegally disarming the American public from their efficient arms and creating superior armed elitist government agencies.  

Elected state officials of New York, having been sworn to protect our Constitution, have instead committed an offense against it and their citizens by stripping inalienable rights duly protected and guaranteed under the Second Amendment. By their deliberate and sinister actions, these officials now cause their state and local policing agencies to enforce these unconstitutional and illegal so called “laws”. 

By current law, Barrett cannot be an accomplice with any lawbreaker, therefore, cannot and will not service or sell to New York government agencies. Barrett also applies this stance to the individual elected official who, as a matter of public record, has voted for or created regulation that violates the constitutional rights of their citizens. This is an expansion of our 2002 ban against the California government due to their second amendment infringements, and shall apply to any future violators. 

In the course of world history there have been officials that strip inalienable rights from the people that were given to all by our Creator. Most of these officials inevitably come to trial, some do not.

Intentionally violating constitutional rights by officials that have sworn to uphold them should have severe prison sentences.

With the clear vision of horrible events in history repeating itself, all manufacturers of firearms or related equipment remaining in partnership with such violators should have a respectable fear of being found with the guilty on their day of trial.

During this era of assault on liberty, Barrett will remain steadfast in our efforts to serve law-abiding citizens of all fifty states, and stands together with you in the struggles we will fight and win.

Ronnie Barrett
Chairman and CEO

 



31 posted on 03/12/2013 1:30:47 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: Daffynition

Sadly, many manufacturers see the government as their prime customer and ignore the people, viewing us as anything from a nuisance to a “Throw Away” market.
Seems only a few have a solid pair.


32 posted on 03/12/2013 1:51:17 PM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Darksheare

‘Tis the time to let them know, why you or me as lowly joe 6-pack, are going to do business with those who stand up to tyranny.

It’s only a drop in the proverbial bucket, but at least it is something.


33 posted on 03/12/2013 4:40:59 PM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: bmwcyle

It’s been tried. It all came to grief in a cornfield near Sharpsburg.


34 posted on 03/12/2013 6:03:13 PM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: bmwcyle
Texas should take over MD and move in troops.

Yes, how can we make this happen?
35 posted on 03/12/2013 6:04:55 PM PDT by Vision (Obama is king of the "Takers." Don't be a "Taker.")
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To: buffaloguy

I believe they were already invited by the House Speaker of Mississippi to relocate there. We have good machinists in MS too.


36 posted on 03/12/2013 6:13:43 PM PDT by Have Ruck - Will Travel (Hmm, I wonder what would happen if I...)
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To: EXCH54FE; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

I think they should go ahead and move, if this gun bill becomes law. Politically speaking, this state blows dead goats.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


37 posted on 03/12/2013 6:44:32 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Drag Me From Hell!)
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