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Jorge Mario Bergoglio is elected Pope Francis
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Posted on 03/13/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

BACKGROUND:

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ (born December 17, 1936) is the current pope of the Roman Catholic Church, elected on March 13, 2013, and taking the regnal name of Francis I. Prior to his election, he served as an Argentine cardinal of the Roman Catholic Church. He has served as the Archbishop of Buenos Aires since 1998. He was elevated to the cardinalate in 2001. He was elevated to Pope in March 2013.

Jorge Bergoglio was born in Buenos Aires, one of the five children of an Italian railway worker and his wife. After studying at the seminary in Villa Devoto, he entered the Society of Jesus on March 11, 1958. Bergoglio obtained a licentiate in philosophy from the Colegio Máximo San José in San Miguel, and then taught literature and psychology at the Colegio de la Inmaculada in Santa Fe, and the Colegio del Salvador in Buenos Aires. He was ordained to the priesthood on December 13, 1969, by Archbishop Ramón José Castellano. He attended the Philosophical and Theological Faculty of San Miguel, a seminary in San Miguel. Bergoglio attained the position of novice master there and became professor of theology.

Impressed with his leadership skills, the Society of Jesus promoted Bergoglio and he served as provincial for Argentina from 1973 to 1979. He was transferred in 1980 to become the rector of the seminary in San Miguel where had had studied. He served in that capacity until 1986. He completed his doctoral dissertation in Germany and returned to his homeland to serve as confessor and spiritual director in Córdoba.


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To: SeekAndFind; everyone

201 posted on 03/13/2013 2:20:34 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: Rashputin
You guys are making this too difficult. He is taking over the throne of Peter, and he is of Italian (Roman) ancestry.

Voila! Peter the Roman!

202 posted on 03/13/2013 2:21:01 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: caddie
The Peter part I have yet to understand

I was struck by the number of times those who know him, refered to him as solid.

203 posted on 03/13/2013 2:21:55 PM PDT by Errant
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve watched the coverage on Fox News and listened to the talking points about this new Pope and beginning to like him very much. This has been a very good choice, IMHO.


204 posted on 03/13/2013 2:22:56 PM PDT by tob2 (Hurry up spring, I'm tired of winter!)
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To: onyx

My pleasure. Was a very interesting article, well worth the time spent reading it.

May God keep watch FRiend, over us all.
Tatt


205 posted on 03/13/2013 2:28:11 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: SeekAndFind

Thanks so much for the back-ground story of former Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio. I had great joy in my heart as I watched him being introduced to the world on TV this afternoon. May God bless and keep his humble servant, Pope Francis I.


206 posted on 03/13/2013 2:35:50 PM PDT by nicksaunt
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To: FatherofFive

I hope he signals to his brothers that they ought to shape up. Bellarmine is the only other Jesuit I knows of who came close .


207 posted on 03/13/2013 2:41:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: paterfamilias

I am pretty sure that the pope will fill us in, since this is a novelty.


208 posted on 03/13/2013 2:43:58 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I heard on the radio he drives a cab, and takes a bus to work...A real normal guy who doesn’t just hang out in his mansion.


209 posted on 03/13/2013 2:44:55 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Well SLICK, I don’t hang out all day on FR monitoring who says what, I have a life.


210 posted on 03/13/2013 2:45:06 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: Catsrus
I don’t see anything to indicate he’s an American.

South American

211 posted on 03/13/2013 2:45:23 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: goldstategop; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; BlackElk
>>> I’m still in shock. I neeeever saw this one coming. Bergoglio was “too old,” everyone said. I trust that the Cardinals were aided by the Holy Spirit when taking their vote, and that thus he is the right choice. <<<<<

>>>> He was NOT on the list of those considered “papabili” by the media and Vatican watchers. Francis was a surprise choice and the cardinals outfoxed every one. He won on the fifth ballot. <<<<

Yep. Huge upset. Whoever bet money on this is probably really happy how. The interesting thing to me is he was actually the "runner up" in the 2005 conclave, but NOBODY had him on their short list this time... mainly because he was considered "too old" at age 76 and it was assumed the Cardinals would go with a man in his early 60s after Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI. (though even Cardinal Arinze, at age 80, was higher up on the list) Just goes to show you the media don't know what their talking about with their "papabili" lists of who "Vatican insiders and Roman Curia" are supposedly looking at. Either their sources were wrong or the Cardinals shifted dramatically in another direction once the conclave started.

I was telling kids on Monday night they should pay attention to the conclave because it might be 20-30 years before we get another Pope. D'oh!

The one thing they got right is saying they were likely to choose a South American (worked with the latest olympics bid predictions too!) I was concerned a bit that a Pope from that region of the world would push for amnesty for illegals and the liberal media would have a field day asking conservative Catholic politicians if they oppose the Holy Father, but with Pope Francis I think my prediction might be wrong. He's of Italian ancestry and the cool thing here is the guy totally LOOKED and sounded the part of Pope the moment he set foot on the balcony. (usually the first public appearance of the new Pope is pretty awkward) He really reminds me of one of those pre-Vatican II popes from the 30s and 40s.

I'm really not sure what to make of Pope Francis, and it seems everyone else in the same boat since he hasn't been talked about in the news yet. The interesting thing is people are all over the map on his idealogical views, with some saying this guy is a closet "liberation theology" guy and others saying he's a staunch hardcore conservative traditionalist. (his statements on abortion and gay marriage as Cardinal certainly give us optimism) Someone needs to explain to me the remarks on the internet about how they hope the new Pope can "bring the Jesuits back to the church" Huh? Aren't they already a very well known and popular Roman Catholic religious order? I'm pretty sure they're not some schematic anti-Vatican group of "Catholic" that denies the Pope or anything. Should we be concerned that Pope Francis is a member?

212 posted on 03/13/2013 2:46:59 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: GVnana

He’s a bridge. Italian immigrants to the most European country in Latin America. Italians, I think, are a large part of the Argentine population.


213 posted on 03/13/2013 2:47:16 PM PDT by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: HangnJudge

lol...


214 posted on 03/13/2013 2:48:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rockabyebaby

Not enough, it seems. Such is the life of a fourth-on-the-scene internet arithmetic vigilante.

Apparently, today will forever be known as “that time I made a mistake”.

SnakeDoc


215 posted on 03/13/2013 2:50:40 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: Errant
" . . . he IS the guy who completes Malachy's prophecy. "

And people who believe that ARE the folks who prove the old adage, "There's a sucker born every minute"

I hope such folks have been saving their nickels and dimes so they can buy all the books and DVDs the same "insightful prophecy experts" who have said the same thing at least three times since the sixties are busy rushing to press now that they know what name stick into the appropriate blanks they left in their manuscripts.

After all, there's a new Ferrari out that the better known experts will have to sell a lot of books and get a lot of fat speaking fees to add one of those babies to their collection.

216 posted on 03/13/2013 2:59:34 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

You don’t have to “believe” anything, just an ability to count beyond double digits.


217 posted on 03/13/2013 3:10:11 PM PDT by Errant
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To: VanShuyten
Well, that is the last line of defense when the new, bestselling, books and DVD sales fall off because they've been debunked, but you've got to have a better hook than that to generate any real money, especially on the speaking and conference circuit.

You need all sorts of, "recently uncovered" hidden stuff some cleaning lady discovered while dusting the shelves in a secret library in Vienna, and things like that to keep the hooples on the hook.

Of course, if the fact that the world ended multiple times in 2012 ( 5 or only 3 ? ) proves to still be a drag on sales of prophecy insights, they can always go with the facts and say those facts "prove" whatever they like.

218 posted on 03/13/2013 3:12:23 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: skinndogNN

I think that part of the reason why elected popes take a new name is Biblical tradition: new names are given to persons whom God has entrusted with a new mission or an honor of great magnitude.

Examples:

Abram became Abraham to signify that he would be the father to many peoples, after he manifested his willingness to sacrifice his one and only son, Isaac.

Jacob (Abraham’s grandson) became known as Israel, to signify the nation comprised of the 12 tribes that started with his sons.

Jesus renamed Simon as Peter (rock) to signify that Peter would be the rock of the Church Jesus would found through him.

Saul became Paul after he was knocked off his horse on the road to Damascus and converted from a Christian-killer to the great evangelist that wrote most of the letters in the New Testament.

Every Catholic who is receives the sacrament of Confirmation takes a new name to signify the renewal of his/her baptsimal vows and the blessings received from the
infusion of gifts from the Holy Spirit.


219 posted on 03/13/2013 3:14:44 PM PDT by Rob in Arizona (Rob in Arizona)
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To: Southack

“Chavez had to die first before a Latina became pope...”


Umm, he’s Pope Francis, not Pope Frances.


220 posted on 03/13/2013 3:19:14 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: Patriot365

The Catechism of the Catholic Church states its opposition to both marxism/socialism and laissez-faire capitalism. Which IMHO is correct. Unregulated capitalism is just as unworkable as communism/socialism. Basically the RCC position is that you are entitled to the fruits of your labor, but must recognize that the common good has an interest too.


221 posted on 03/13/2013 3:20:39 PM PDT by Lou Budvis
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To: afraidfortherepublic
My question is why he is designated Francis I? Just plain Francis should be sufficient until there is a Francis II.

I don't know if this is the correct answer, but I'm presuming he's called Francis I in order to let us know that there hasn't been a Pope Francis yet. Everyone would have wondered which number Francis he is, so it's been clarified right from the start.

222 posted on 03/13/2013 3:20:46 PM PDT by FamiliarFace
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To: Errant
Right, it wasn't the number in the prophecy that dictated how high to count, it was the simple joy of being able to count beyond double digits. Gotcha.

ROTFLAO !!!!!!

223 posted on 03/13/2013 3:20:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: All

Just a few “Protestant Observations”

First, congratulations to all my Catholic Brothers and Sisters on your new Pope. While I’m not a Catholic, Its very important to me not to divide the Body of Christ (as I’ve said before, we’re going to spend eternity together, which is plenty of time for Jesus to sort out sprinkling vs. total immersion), and its important to all Christians everywhere that visable Christian leaders be effective and sterling representitives of Christ. I wish him well.

Second, there seems to be a lot to like about this guy. If there is one trait that we desperately need more of from ministers in the public eye, it is humility, and this man seems to have that. I have to admit I cringe a little at the phrase “Social Justice” because it usually means “Government Program”....but at least from the little I have read so far, this man tends to see it in terms of Social Christian outreach and involvement, which is absolutely in line with Biblical principles of taking personal responsibility to reach out to the poor and infirm. I hope the reputation that preceeds him in this respect continues and expands.

Finally, an observation on the matter of his age. While at first glance it might be a temptation to say “why not pick a younger guy”, that is a double edged sword. While a longer term leader would give more stability in the position, if you pick a younger guy, and he turns out to be the “progressive reformer” type, you may be stuck with him for 30 years....this way you avoid that situation, and even if you get someone who tries to radically change things, you have a sooner chance to make corrections if needed.

Again, congrats to the Catholics on this important day for you, and God’s blessings on all of you and the new Pope.


224 posted on 03/13/2013 3:21:41 PM PDT by SoCalTransplant (Wake me when we get to the part where we alter or abolish it.)
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To: basil

Well, thank you. Though, I’m not feeling like a kid.


225 posted on 03/13/2013 3:24:22 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

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226 posted on 03/13/2013 3:30:52 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

RE: Umm, he’s Pope Francis, not Pope Frances.

I’m quite certain that his original self-designation was the Italian — FRANCESCO.

We call that Francis in English.

The French call it Francois.

The Albanian call it Franescu (so do the Corsicans ).

Croatians call it Franjo

The Dutch use the name Frans

The Germans, Franziskus

The Japanese, Furanshisu

The Poles, Franciszek

The Latin name is Franciscus

The Spanish and Portuguese speakers everywhere use the name — Francisco. This is what he will be known as in South America.

PAPA FRANCISCO UNO.


227 posted on 03/13/2013 3:31:43 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: wideawake
The purported diary of the anonymous cardinal claimed Bergoglio received 40 votes in the third ballot, but fell back to 26 at the fourth and decisive ballot

Well that anonymous cardinal gave a vow never to reveal the results of the election. He excommunicated himself if he did so.

228 posted on 03/13/2013 3:33:45 PM PDT by mware (By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, Men of the West)
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To: Arthur McGowan
"Popes started taking a new name when a man named Peter was elected. Not wanting to duplicate the name of the original Peter, he took another name."

Actually,it's a biblical tradition. God changed the name of all people he assigned special mission to, such as Abraham. Jesus, also changed the name of several of his disciples upon assigning them missions, such as St. Peter and St. Paul. It gave way to the tradition of Popes to change their name when they are elected as a successor to Peter.

229 posted on 03/13/2013 3:34:15 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Shadow44
In that case 70% of Argentinians aren’t Latin American. They’re a majority Caucasian country deriving from descendents of European immigrants, just like the United States.

If you ever want to piss off an Argentine, there are several rude words that translate as "black", "Indian", or "Bolivian" that will do the trick.

Other Latin American countries find the Argies rather full of themselves, and love to poke fun at their haughty self-image as a nation of white Europeans.

230 posted on 03/13/2013 3:48:57 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

RE: PAPA FRANCISCO UNO

I stand corrected, my Hispanic friends just told me they call him PAPA FRANCISO PRIMERO.

And apparently according to this site:

http://www.tarapacaonline.cl/?p=24150

He chose the name Francisco in honor of St. Francis of Assisi.

EXCERPT ( In Spanish ):

Primera vez que el Papa es de otro continente, Jorge Mario Bergoglio nacido en Argentina, de la orden de la Compañía de Jesús es el nuevo sumo pontífice de la Iglesia Católica. En honor a San Francisco de Asís, se llamará Francisco Primero.


231 posted on 03/13/2013 3:52:52 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Venturer; All
His Father was Italian, can we assume his mother was also. Doesn’t that make him an Italian Pope who was raised in Latin America?

Yeah both his parents were Italian Immigrants. Dad: Mario Jose Bergoglio and Mom: Regina Maria Sivori. You can't get anymore Italian then those names. lol! He was born in Argentina but is of first generation Italian lineage. So you're somewhat correct, he is a Latin American Pope of Italian ancestry but technically if you look at it he is still of the same European lineages that all other Popes before him were, which is why I kind of find it funny how the media is trying to portray him as "none European" when he is of European ancestry and we aren't even talking like 2nd or 3rd or 4th or 5th or 6th etc generations in Latin America, his parents were FRESH OF THE BOAT Italian Immigrants. lol!

232 posted on 03/13/2013 4:19:40 PM PDT by apro
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To: Errant

Yeah this guy is not what we would be led to believe...

How in the hell can the Catholic Church elect a shepherd that only brings 20 percent of his flock to mass? When his fields are 92percent baptized in the faith?

On those numbers alone he is not a papa of evangelical means....


233 posted on 03/13/2013 4:30:15 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

Please watch your language.


234 posted on 03/13/2013 4:31:53 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The original designation was in Latin, Franciscus, as that’s the language used in the announcement:

“The cardinal proto-deacon of the Catholic Church, Jean Louis-Taran, announced the news to those gathered in St. Peter’s Square, with the traditional words:

Annuntio vobis gaudium magnum: Habemus Papam.
Eminentissimum ac reverendissimum Dominum, Dominum Georgium Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae Cardinalem Bergoglium.
Qui sibi nomen imposuit Franciscum.

Translated:

I announce to you a great joy: We have a pope:
The most eminent and honorable lord, Lord Jorge Cardinal Bergoglio of the Holy Roman Church,
Who has taken for himself the name Francis.”

In South America, at least in the Spanish-speaking countries of that continent, he is known as Francisco Primero. (Remember, he is Francis the First, not Francis One.)

My comment about his name being “Francis, not Frances,” was a tongue-in-cheek response to a poster who described him (due to a typo, I assume) as “the first Latina pope.”


235 posted on 03/13/2013 4:37:12 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: trisham

Used in this context it’s appropriate.


236 posted on 03/13/2013 4:38:40 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

No, it isn’t.


237 posted on 03/13/2013 4:40:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Trisham, I am a devout catholic and one that practices my faith regularly.

One can invoke hell in that tone when adressing a religious matter such as the election of our Papa.

Sorry the word irritates you but my context and use is in my opinion quite appropriate.


238 posted on 03/13/2013 4:43:40 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: winoneforthegipper

No, it isn’t.


239 posted on 03/13/2013 4:45:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just saw this; I should have read all my pings before replying to your earlier post.


240 posted on 03/13/2013 4:46:01 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: winoneforthegipper
"How in the hell can the Catholic Church elect a shepherd that only brings 20 percent of his flock to mass? When his fields are 92percent baptized in the faith?"

That is not an issue between the Pope and the "flock", that is between God and His people. Even God doesn't demand that people believe, instead God gave Free Will. The Pope has to spiritually feed and lead His sheep. Those that choose to say yes to God. My faith is founded on that rock, that doesn't adapt to worldly preasures and trends that are offensive to God. No matter how much "the world' attacks and defames my faith, the gates of hades will not prevail.

241 posted on 03/13/2013 4:50:38 PM PDT by mgist
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To: afraidfortherepublic
Of course he’s an American — a South American, born in Argentina.

He's a White Hispanic. ;)

242 posted on 03/13/2013 4:52:29 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: mgist

Absolutely not that is the primary mission of a Pope.


243 posted on 03/13/2013 5:09:32 PM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: goldstategop; All

South America is like North America, it has many races and ethnicities including millions of white people. There are between 192 million – 209 million white Latin Americans living in South America and Central America.


244 posted on 03/13/2013 5:09:54 PM PDT by apro
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To: Ax

I did make a prediction that the next Pope would either come from North America or from the global south, which would also include South America.


245 posted on 03/13/2013 5:31:04 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; SeekAndFind; FamiliarFace; afraidfortherepublic; Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
>> Anytime God wanted someone to go announce his plans to all the world, most of the time He changes their names ... <<

That's not the reason why Popes change their name. Peter's name was changed from Simon, but most of the Popes from the first millennium of Christianity kept their baptismal name upon becoming Pope. The first one to officially change it was Pope John II. His birth name was Mercury and they thought it was inappropriate for the Pope to have the name of a pagan god. It didn't become the norm to change the name until 400 years later, and even then, there are two Popes in the last 1000 years who kept their baptismal names anyway. Pope Marcellus II (born Marcello Cervini degli Spannochi) in the 1500s was the most recent to break the tradition and keep his baptismal name. Any Pope could choose to keep his baptismal name, but I'm glad this guy went with Pope Francis and not Pope Jorge or Pope George or whatever.

>> My question is why he is designated Francis I? Just plain Francis should be sufficient until there is a Francis II. <<

I agree. Looking at other Popes to have a new name, I see they're listed as Pope Linus, Pope Zephyrinus, Pope Fabian, Pope Liberius, Pope Lando, etc., I see they're listed simply by their papal name in lists of Popes, there's no "I" added to the end of it unless someone else takes the same later on. (i.e. Pope Celestine was retroactively listed as "Celestine I" when Celestine II became Pope). Odd thing, I think Pope John Paul I was officially called "John Paul I" before John Paul II was elected. I'm not sure what the rules are, given that Pope Francis is the first brand new for a Pope in 963 years (Pope John Paul was a combination of his two immediate predecessors -- John XXIII and Paul VI). I would prefer the media just call him "Pope Francis" myself. "Pope Francis I" when there's no second Pope by that name looks silly, especially since there may never be a Francis II. I don't think anyone is going to be confused and think there was a Pope Francis before this guy.

>> In South America, at least in the Spanish-speaking countries of that continent, he is known as Francisco Primero. (Remember, he is Francis the First, not Francis One.) <<

That's another odd rule. When I took spanish in 7th grade, the spanish teacher had all our birth names latinzed to the spanish form, or found a similar-sounding spanish name to call ourselves in class. Thus, my name was William and I went by "Guillermo" in spanish class. I was later told as an adult that that's not approciate to do in spanish countries (refer to yourself as the spanish form of your name), and that Bill Clinton would still be addressed as "Bill Clinton" in Mexico, Johnny Depp is still called "Johny Depp" by Mexicans, etc. But then I found out the artist Michelangelo is referred to as "Miguel Ángel" in Latin American countries, John Paul II is "Juan Pablo segundo", etc. Can someone please come up with a consistent set of rules for when names from other cultures should be altered to the native language? It seems so random.

246 posted on 03/13/2013 5:32:21 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: AuH2ORepublican; SeekAndFind; FamiliarFace; afraidfortherepublic; Rocky Mountain Wild Turkey
>> Anytime God wanted someone to go announce his plans to all the world, most of the time He changes their names ... <<

That's not the reason why Popes change their name. Peter's name was changed from Simon, but most of the Popes from the first millennium of Christianity kept their baptismal name upon becoming Pope. The first one to officially change it was Pope John II. His birth name was Mercury and they thought it was inappropriate for the Pope to have the name of a pagan god. It didn't become the norm to change the name until 400 years later, and even then, there are two Popes in the last 1000 years who kept their baptismal names anyway. Pope Marcellus II (born Marcello Cervini degli Spannochi) in the 1500s was the most recent to break the tradition and keep his baptismal name. Any Pope could choose to keep his baptismal name, but I'm glad this guy went with Pope Francis and not Pope Jorge or Pope George or whatever.

>> My question is why he is designated Francis I? Just plain Francis should be sufficient until there is a Francis II. <<

I agree. Looking at other Popes to have a new name, I see they're listed as Pope Linus, Pope Zephyrinus, Pope Fabian, Pope Liberius, Pope Lando, etc., I see they're listed simply by their papal name in lists of Popes, there's no "I" added to the end of it unless someone else takes the same later on. (i.e. Pope Celestine was retroactively listed as "Celestine I" when Celestine II became Pope). Odd thing, I think Pope John Paul I was officially called "John Paul I" before John Paul II was elected. I'm not sure what the rules are, given that Pope Francis is the first brand new for a Pope in 963 years (Pope John Paul was a combination of his two immediate predecessors -- John XXIII and Paul VI). I would prefer the media just call him "Pope Francis" myself. "Pope Francis I" when there's no second Pope by that name looks silly, especially since there may never be a Francis II. I don't think anyone is going to be confused and think there was a Pope Francis before this guy.

>> In South America, at least in the Spanish-speaking countries of that continent, he is known as Francisco Primero. (Remember, he is Francis the First, not Francis One.) <<

That's another odd rule. When I took Spanish in 7th grade, the Spanish teacher had all our birth names latinized to the Spanish form, or found a similar-sounding Spanish name to call ourselves in class. Thus, my name was William and I went by "Guillermo" in Spanish class. I was later told as an adult that that's not appropriate to do in Spanish countries (refer to yourself as the Spanish form of your name), and that Bill Clinton would still be addressed as "Bill Clinton" in Mexico, Johnny Depp is still called "Johnny Depp" by Mexicans, etc. But then I found out the artist Michelangelo is referred to as "Miguel Ángel" in Latin American countries, John Paul II is "Juan Pablo segundo", etc. Can someone please come up with a consistent set of rules for when names from other cultures should be altered to the native language? It seems so random.

247 posted on 03/13/2013 5:34:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: FatherofFive

Same here.


248 posted on 03/13/2013 5:38:04 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: flaglady47

Wanted an American, but after reading about his humble life, I say CONGRATS and WELCOME your holiness.


249 posted on 03/13/2013 5:41:54 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Venturer

But still he comes from the western hemisphere.


250 posted on 03/13/2013 5:43:04 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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