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Jorge Mario Bergoglio is elected Pope Francis
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Posted on 03/13/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SnakeDoctor
But ... born in 1936? He's 78.

I'll bet he's better at math than you.
101 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:10 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: TomGuy

102 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:27 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Venturer

Well was he a “natural born” Argentinian LOL


103 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:51 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: wideawake
Some crank will find a way to shoehorn that fake prophecy into this election. Somehow.

Argentina. From the Latin Argentum -- "silver".
Silver is a metal, dug out of rocky mines.
Malachy said that the last Pope would be Peter.
Peter comes from the Latin Petrus -- "rock"
Rock in a mineral.
The man from Argentina is the man from minerals/rocks.
QED

[/joking]

104 posted on 03/13/2013 1:03:55 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: Catsrus
I don’t see anything to indicate he’s an American

hee's from Argentina....Argentina is in south america.....ie:American

105 posted on 03/13/2013 1:04:12 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Ann Archy

Well he’s not pro-homosexual, and there’s already accusations of him being a lackey for Argentina’s anti-communist military junta back in the 70s/80s.

I doubt he’s the ideal Jesuit for places like say...Georgetown University.


106 posted on 03/13/2013 1:04:17 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Venturer

“His Father was Italian, can we assume his mother was also.

Doesn’t that make him an Italian Pope who was raised in Latin America?”

He was born in Buenos Aires.


107 posted on 03/13/2013 1:04:21 PM PDT by Batman11 (We came for the chicken sandwiches and a Sweet Tea Party broke out!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sounds like liberals aren’t exactly going to be thrilled with Pope Francis I.

From wiki:

Liberation theology
Bergoglio is an accomplished theologian who distanced himself from liberation theology early in his career. He is thought to be close to Comunione e Liberazione, a conservative lay movement.

Abortion and euthanasia

Cardinal Bergoglio has invited his clergy and laity to oppose both abortion and euthanasia.[3]

Homosexuality

He has affirmed church teaching on homosexuality, though he teaches the importance of respecting individuals who are gay. He strongly opposed legislation introduced in 2010 by the Argentine Government to allow same-sex marriage. In a letter to the monasteries of Buenos Aires, he wrote: “Let’s not be naive, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.” He has also insisted that adoption by gays and lesbians is a form of discrimination against children. This position received a rebuke from Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, who said the church’s tone was reminiscent of “medieval times and the Inquisition”


108 posted on 03/13/2013 1:05:01 PM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Rennes Templar
Generally means open to all things politically liberal to help the “oppressed”.

There are the "oppressed" by liberal Western standards - i.e. men who like to dress as women and who are cruelly denied access to the women's public restrooms, union bosses who are being forced to stop stealing other people's dues, and rich kids who like to "occupy" other people's property.

Then there are the actual oppressed - Sudanese refugees being driven from their homes by Janjaweed soldiers, children maimed and forced into slave labor in India, Chinese people rotting in jail for preaching the Gospel, 99.999% of the North Korean population, etc.

There is true social justice and there is fake social justice.

Although Glenn Beck and Barack Obama may not know the difference between the two, I suspect Pope Francis does.

109 posted on 03/13/2013 1:07:10 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Stillwaters

Don’t know if you were paying much attention to this or have much interest, but thought I’d ping you to make it easy to find in case.


110 posted on 03/13/2013 1:07:19 PM PDT by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: berdie

later


111 posted on 03/13/2013 1:07:38 PM PDT by berdie
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To: SeekAndFind

This was so exciting to watch! The Square was jam-packed!


112 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:10 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: SoldierDad

Eh. Close enough. Sloppy math. Seems to me it’d be a better idea to elect a Pope who was in his prime.

SnakeDoc


113 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:12 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: Batman11

That doesn’t make you Hispanic.

Any more than being born in Rhodesia makes you a Negro.

It is a moot point certainly, but knowing Vatican Rome’s bias towards Italians it is something to ponder.

Did they take this into consideration.


114 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:51 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Brown Deer

One would hope.

SnakeDoc


115 posted on 03/13/2013 1:08:57 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: Venturer

In that case 70% of Argentinians aren’t Latin American.

They’re a majority Caucasian country deriving from descendents of European immigrants, just like the United States.


116 posted on 03/13/2013 1:10:31 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: ops33
My first thought was perhaps Francis of Assisi but you could very well be correct.

francis xavier

117 posted on 03/13/2013 1:14:30 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Shadow44

That’s cool.


118 posted on 03/13/2013 1:14:43 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Robert357
RE: Jesuits

Matteo Ricci was a Jesuit Priest who became a missionary to China.

He was a genius who could speak Chinese as well as read and write classical Chinese, the literary language of scholars and officials. He was known for his appreciation of Chinese culture in general, but did condemn the prostitution which was widespread in Beijing at the time.

During his research he discovered that, in contrast to the cultures of South Asia, Chinese culture was strongly intertwined with Confucian values and therefore decided to use existing Chinese concepts to explain Christianity. He did not explain the Catholic faith as something foreign or new, instead, he said that the Chinese culture and people always believed in God, and that Christianity is simply the most perfect manifestation of their faith.

Thus the Chinese Lord of Heaven (Pinyin "Tiānzhǔ") is identical with God. He supported Chinese traditions by agreeing with their honoring of the dead.

With this approach, Ricci was able to convert many members of the Qing dynasty court to Christianity (the Emperor Kang-Xi himself was very favorable to the preaching of Christianity in all of China ).

Dominican and Franciscan missionaries felt Ricci went too far in accommodation and convinced the Vatican to outlaw Ricci's approach. This gave rise eventually to the Chinese Rites controversy.

The Chinese Rites controversy was a 17th–18th-century dispute among Roman Catholic missionaries, first originated in China, about whether Chinese ritual practices of honoring family ancestors and other formal Confucius and Chinese imperial rites were too superstitious to be incompatible with Catholic and Christian belief.

On one side, the Jesuits (e.g. Matteo Ricci himself) argued that these Chinese rites are compatible within certain limits and should thus be tolerated. On the other side, the Dominicans and Franciscans argued otherwise and reported the issue to Rome.

Rome's Sacred Congregation for the Propagation of the Faith sided with the Dominicans in 1645 by condemning the Chinese rites based on their brief. However, the same congregation sided with the Jesuits in 1656, thereby lifting the ban.

It was one of the many disputes between the Jesuits and the Dominicans else where in Asia, including Japan and India.

The controversy embroiled leading European universities; the Kang-xi emperor (China) and several popes (including Clement XI and Clement XIV) considered the case; the offices of the Holy See also intervened. Near the end of the 17th century, many Dominicans and Franciscans had shifted their positions in agreeing with the Jesuits' opinion, but Rome disagreed.

Clement XI banned the rites in 1704. In 1742 Benedict XIV reaffirmed the ban and forbade debate.

In 1939, after two centuries the Holy See re-assessed the issue. Pope Pius XII issued a decree of 8 Dec 1939, authorized Christians to observe the ancestral rites and participate in Confucius-honouring ceremonies. Later, the general principle of admitting native ceremonies into the liturgy of the church whenever possible was proclaimed by the second Vatican Council (1962–65).
119 posted on 03/13/2013 1:14:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: fwdude

St. Ignatius Of Loyola led the Counter-Reformation.

His “Spiritual Exercises” are a masterpiece of Catholic, Jesuit and meditative devotion.

The Jesuits were anything but liberal in their fight against Protestantism.


120 posted on 03/13/2013 1:15:10 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind
Someone REALLY put BONO on the list of potential popes?
121 posted on 03/13/2013 1:15:19 PM PDT by EnigmaticAnomaly (Dim Logic: "Let me vote Democrat. Hey, I got screwed! Let me vote Democrat. Hey, I got screwed!")
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To: edcoil

It wasn’t Nostradamus. It was St. Malachy.

I hope the new Pope is politically and theologically conservative.


122 posted on 03/13/2013 1:15:22 PM PDT by ZULU (See: http://gatesofvienna.net/)
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To: wideawake

That’s why I put “social justice” in quotes. I too hope he knows the difference. It’s a huge issue. Will he support the left, or oppose them.


123 posted on 03/13/2013 1:15:36 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (Business owners work harder! You have to support millions.)
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To: Venturer

0bama’s father was African, doesn’t that make 0bama a Kenyan president who was raised in Indonesia?


124 posted on 03/13/2013 1:16:33 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Argentina. From the Latin Argentum — “silver”.
Silver is a metal, dug out of rocky mines.
Malachy said that the last Pope would be Peter.
Peter comes from the Latin Petrus — “rock”
Rock in a mineral.
The man from Argentina is the man from minerals/rocks.
QED”

[/joking]

LOL!


125 posted on 03/13/2013 1:17:12 PM PDT by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: SeekAndFind

Lanny Davis must be thrilled.


126 posted on 03/13/2013 1:17:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: TomGuy; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Habemus Pappam Ping!


127 posted on 03/13/2013 1:18:44 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Shadow44

Argentina is a European country in Latin America.

Most of its population are descended from Spanish, Italian and English immigrants.

Most Latin American countries are mestizo population but Argentina is of European stock.


128 posted on 03/13/2013 1:19:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, Papa Francisco I.


129 posted on 03/13/2013 1:20:53 PM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Sarah Barracuda

He is indeed the very first Argentine to be elected Pope. I saw Pope John Paul II when I was stationed in Buenos Aires. There are an awful lot of Italo-Argentines there and I’m sure they’re all over the moon.


130 posted on 03/13/2013 1:21:08 PM PDT by Ax
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To: MrB

There is some negative aspects of the Jesuits as well. Very much into undoing the reformation.

So what are the negative aspects?


131 posted on 03/13/2013 1:21:30 PM PDT by irish_links
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To: goldstategop

Argentina is a country in South America. There is no such thing as Latin America.


132 posted on 03/13/2013 1:22:25 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: goldstategop

Yes the Southern Cone countries tend to have a far larger Caucasian population than the rest of Latin America, but it’s still a part of the region.

It’s like quibbling about Timothy Dolan’s ethnic Irish ancestry if he was elected Pope.


133 posted on 03/13/2013 1:23:18 PM PDT by Shadow44
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To: Salvation

I am so happy.

Sad and happy.

The old pope, the new pope...

I am very happy.


134 posted on 03/13/2013 1:23:23 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: SnakeDoctor
Eh. Close enough. Sloppy math. Seems to me it’d be a better idea to elect a Pope who was in his prime. SnakeDoc

all of the Cardinals who know anything are up in age.

135 posted on 03/13/2013 1:24:12 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Shadow44

“They’re [Argentina] a majority Caucasian country deriving from descendents of European immigrants, just like the United States.”

And they elected a socialist government, just like the United States!

Furthermore, they had one of the most prosperous economies in the world, until it was strangled by government regulation, just like...uh-oh.


136 posted on 03/13/2013 1:24:23 PM PDT by free-in-nyc (Freeping from the heart of the occupation)
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To: wideawake
Some crank will find a way to shoehorn that fake prophecy into this election.

Happy to oblige: He occupies the seat of Peter as the Bishop of Rome.... Peter the Roman!

137 posted on 03/13/2013 1:25:21 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Ax

and even better..the left already doesn’t like him..good..if they dont like him then I like him


138 posted on 03/13/2013 1:25:50 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: terycarl

If true, that doesn’t bode well at all for the Catholic Church. All their potential Popes will be dead in 20-years.

John Paul 2 was 58. There has to be somebody in that age range who’s got his head on straight.

SnakeDoc


139 posted on 03/13/2013 1:25:51 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: FatherofFive

Is there NO time that Shepard Smith will reign in his huge ego? Now he wants a hand in the process of electing the Pope.


140 posted on 03/13/2013 1:26:04 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: BenLurkin

He’s from the Americas. Not the United States.


141 posted on 03/13/2013 1:27:07 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: SeekAndFind

The prospects of a Jesuit Pope ending the catholic church as we know it is too much to handle. Maybe he IS the last pope of the church as it stands today :P


142 posted on 03/13/2013 1:27:30 PM PDT by wiseprince
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To: Venturer

Negro is a race, Hispanic is an ethnicity.


143 posted on 03/13/2013 1:27:38 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: edcoil
I spoke to God. He says my children will live a long and healthy life and the world, will not end.

I read His Word, and then I spoke to God. He told me he has no idea whom you spoke to. Oh, he says the Age will end.
145 posted on 03/13/2013 1:28:18 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Yo-Yo

My middle name is Frances, after my maternal grandfather, so I’m loving this Pope already, lol!


146 posted on 03/13/2013 1:28:25 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: wiseprince

RE: The prospects of a Jesuit Pope ending the catholic church as we know it is too much to handle

For those who don’t know, he is the first Jesuit to be elected Pope.


147 posted on 03/13/2013 1:28:55 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: wiseprince

If he calls a Third Vatican Council, you’ll know the answer.


148 posted on 03/13/2013 1:29:18 PM PDT by Publius
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To: fwdude
And there’s no Church discipline, why?

The discipline has come from individual Jesuits losing their teaching licenses, Jesuit institutions losing their status as approved institutions, specific Jesuits being laicized, and a number of other measures.

However, the Jesuits are free to elect whomever they like as their SG, and if the Pope does not like their choice the only authority he has to interfere is to suppress the order.

That is a very brutal step for both the loyal and disloyal.

149 posted on 03/13/2013 1:29:53 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let’s not be naive, we’re not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

I like him already.


150 posted on 03/13/2013 1:30:26 PM PDT by BarnacleCenturion
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