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Jorge Mario Bergoglio is elected Pope Francis
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Posted on 03/13/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Publius
St. Francis Xavier was named after St. Francis of Assisi. Yes they were different orders.

Francis Xavier was one of the original seven who followed Ignatius, who founded the Society of Jesus.

151 posted on 03/13/2013 1:31:44 PM PDT by caddie
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To: skinndogNN

They change their names to honor a predecessor, or to point the direction that they hope their governance will take. Catholics are big on taking new names at important junctures of their spiritual lives — Baptism, Confirmation, Holy Orders, etc.

Since he is Francis I, I suppose that he means to emphasize humility in his leadership. He already is knnown as a man of the people.

My question is why he is designated Francis I? Just plain Francis should be sufficient until there is a Francis II.


152 posted on 03/13/2013 1:32:08 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: edcoil
Since he is not called Peter or Paul can we now put the end of the world comments behind us. Nostradamus did not get it right.

First, it wasn't Nostradamus, it was the 12th‑century Archbishop of Armagh, Malacy who's prophecy you refer to.

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop]. Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.

Certainly these are trying times for the Church. I've heard numerous pundits refer to the new pope as someone solid, confident, and etc. I take it he is solid/strong/unmoving in his beliefs/actions, i.e., like a rock ( Pretrus ), the word Jesus used to describe Simon.

As for his Roman attribute, his surname, Bergoglio, speaks to that.

Petrus Romanus

"The Roman Rock"

We're not out of the woods yet!

Just sayin'...

:)

153 posted on 03/13/2013 1:32:16 PM PDT by Errant
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To: piytar
PS First Jesuit Pope.

First American Pope -- South American!

154 posted on 03/13/2013 1:33:49 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: FatherofFive

I, too, was thrilled when I learned he is a Jesuit.


155 posted on 03/13/2013 1:33:58 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: SoldierDad
Not to put too fine a point on it, but, he turned 76 this past December. I agree. Is there any particular reason they keep electing to the office of Pope men who are on the downside of their lives???

Most Popes are usually older men. Just recently with John Paul II was a rare exception to be elected in his late 50's.

I think they look for an experienced cardinal that already has an idea what needs to be done and will have maybe 10 years to do it.
A Jesuit Pope indicates to me that maybe the cardinals think the Jesuits need to be reigned in.
A cardinal from South America indicates to me that a large part of the Catholic population is in South America and also that maybe all of the dictatorships/socialist countries/narcotics hellholes in South America need some attention.

156 posted on 03/13/2013 1:34:10 PM PDT by oldbrowser (They are marxists, don't call them democrats)
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To: SnakeDoctor
It could very well be that Francis was selected primarily because of his philosophy concerning the operation of the church-that is that he will pay particular attention to the areas that Benedict sort of dropped the ball on as well as his age.

The Cardinals may have had in mind a 5-10 year project window for Francis getting the church back on track and then, a new Pope.

Who knows?

157 posted on 03/13/2013 1:35:24 PM PDT by skimbell
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To: SnakeDoctor
How much difference can two years make at that age???

Perhaps someone who at least is in their mid to late 50's or 60's seems reasonable.

158 posted on 03/13/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SnakeDoctor
All their potential Popes will be dead in 20-years.

That's why we're constantly making more..

;)

159 posted on 03/13/2013 1:37:52 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: righttackle44

A guy a I work with was part of a “church” that said the world would end two years ago - I told him he must be a big hit at parties and what did his children think about their lives coming to an end - two years later still no end.

I hope you have a long life. Might want to pray again - after the floods I am sure you will find where God noted he would not destroy the world again.

But is there is a knowledgeable religious folks that are here to correct me.


160 posted on 03/13/2013 1:38:40 PM PDT by edcoil (Half of every class gratuates at the bottom, they are now politicians.)
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To: Catsrus

Of course he’s an American — a South American, born in Argentina.


161 posted on 03/13/2013 1:38:59 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SnakeDoctor
Eh. Close enough. Sloppy math. Seems to me it’d be a better idea to elect a Pope who was in his prime.

It's been my observation that the Papacy is not an entry-level job. Popes are generally chosen from the ranks of Cardinals, each of whom has spent a lifetime in the process of becoming a Cardinal. Cardinals under the age of 60 are pretty rare, although I understand there's one or two. There just aren't that many 35-year old Catholic males who have worked their way up from priest to Monsignior to Bishop to Archbishop to Cardinal. And in this day and age, if you ain't a Cardinal, you ain't got no chance of becoming the Pontiff, although technically, any Catholic male can conceivably serve as Pope.

Besides, this new Pope looks to be in pretty good shape for a man of 76. I'm not going to worry too much that they didn't elect somebody with no gray hair to the Papacy.
162 posted on 03/13/2013 1:39:12 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: GVnana
"Please explain the “Jesuits” thing. A liberal sect?"

"Nooooo. But I'll let others 'splain."

The Jesuits and Franciscans have a sort of rivalry - lot of jokes made about them some time ago.

I always thought the Jesuits were pretty tough and the Franciscans were a little loose.

I really could be way off.

163 posted on 03/13/2013 1:39:19 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: SeekAndFind

To think that the First Pope was appointed by Jesus Christ himself is amazing. What an incredible lineage!

Viva Il Papa...


164 posted on 03/13/2013 1:40:12 PM PDT by SilvieWaldorfMD (A Realistically Really Real Housewife)
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To: goldstategop

Argentines feel more connected to Europe than to the New World.


165 posted on 03/13/2013 1:42:54 PM PDT by Ax
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To: SeekAndFind

Pope Francis has a weird thing going with numbers:

21 02 2001 - Created Cardinal
13 03 2013 - Became Pope.
1-2-3

I’m impressed with his views. VERY impressed.
Also LOVE his new name.

Although I’m not a Catholic, I will keep Pope Francis in my prayers. He will need as much as possible.

God Bless him.


166 posted on 03/13/2013 1:43:47 PM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: TomGuy

I’m concerned with his views on so called, “social justice” and the problems he has with the free market system.


167 posted on 03/13/2013 1:44:24 PM PDT by Patriot365
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To: SeekAndFind

About time we had a South American Pope. Lots of good Catholics in that part of the world. Good to see one of there own as Shepard of the flock. God bless him!


168 posted on 03/13/2013 1:44:35 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: SoldierDad

I don’t think a 30 year old has lived long enough to know what a Pope should know...........


169 posted on 03/13/2013 1:44:36 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: Salvation

A good choice.


170 posted on 03/13/2013 1:46:08 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
CNN says he stepped down as Archbishop of Buenos Aires last year due to his age.

He's been a Cardinal for 12 years.

171 posted on 03/13/2013 1:47:21 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: fwdude

Jesuits tend to be more into Leftist, social and economic justice causes.
I don’t know exactly what this man stands for, but the Jesuit educational insitutions in this country are really Lefty (Notre Dame, Marquette, Georgetown etc)
We will see.


172 posted on 03/13/2013 1:48:25 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: Robert357

There is a British film from 1986 about the Jesuits at their best: “The Mission”.

The film is set in the 1750s and involves Spanish Jesuit priest Father Gabriel (played by Jeremy Irons) who enters the South American jungle to build a mission and convert a Guaraní community to Christianity. This film comes highly recommended... http://artsandfaith.com/t100/

The Guaraní survive today in Paraguay.


173 posted on 03/13/2013 1:49:04 PM PDT by Mike OMalley ("Organized religion was a primary target of every one of the 20th century's regimes of terror.")
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To: piytar; onyx

Found this in a lengthy, article from the previous Papal selection - the link to the entire piece follows. Very enlightening.

“JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO. Archbishop of Buenos Aires, 69 years of age, born in Argentina to parents who had emigrated from the Italian region of Piemonte. Since 2002 he has continually been the Latin American cardinal with the best probability of being elected, in spite of never having lifted a finger to present himself as a candidate: in the conclave, it is Ratzinger’s party that would launch his candidacy. As a bishop, instead of sermons on social justice he preached to the
Argentines in the thick of economic disaster that they should put into practice the ten commandments and the Gospel beatitudes.”

http://www.insidethevatican.com/newsflash/2005/newsflash-apr14-05-3.htm

Dear Lord, guide our course.
Tatt


174 posted on 03/13/2013 1:49:38 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Errant
I agree with you.

He is Roman, because he is Italian, and also because the Holy See is now in Rome.

The Peter part I have yet to understand, but, Malachy's other mottoes were not only similarly opaque, some were a pretty good reach.

Maybe the Rock refers to the Office itself.

Maybe it refers to his obstinacy, which we have yet to see...

He could still be Peter the Roman.

175 posted on 03/13/2013 1:49:57 PM PDT by caddie
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To: SeekAndFind

I like him already, we share the same birthday (not year of course LOL).


176 posted on 03/13/2013 1:49:58 PM PDT by 1217Chic
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To: BarnacleCenturion

More of Pope Francis’ views.......

Sounds like we got the right man.

“In our ecclesiastical region there are priests who don’t baptize the children of single mothers because they weren’t conceived in the sanctity of marriage,” Bergoglio told his priests. “These are today’s hypocrites. Those who clericalize the Church. Those who separate the people of God from salvation. And this poor girl who, rather than returning the child to sender, had the courage to carry it into the world, must wander from parish to parish so that it’s baptized!”
Bergoglio compared this concept of Catholicism to the Pharisees of Christ’s time: people who congratulate themselves while condemning others.
“Jesus teaches us another way: Go out. Go out and share your testimony, go out and interact with your brothers, go out and share, go out and ask. Become the Word in body as well as spirit,” Bergoglio said”


177 posted on 03/13/2013 1:51:10 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: basil

And, no one is suggesting a 30 year old be elected as Pope. I’m disheartened to know you think any age over 30 is on the down slide of life. Especially since I’m a couple decades past 30. ;-(


178 posted on 03/13/2013 1:51:49 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: SVTCobra03

You’ve been hoaxed.

Try finding their original source.


179 posted on 03/13/2013 1:53:45 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: SeekAndFind

well, he is 76, looks like we will be doing this all over again in a short 9 or ten years. wont many of us be retired by then?


180 posted on 03/13/2013 1:55:08 PM PDT by Seventh_Tiger
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To: Salvation
Argentine Cardinal Bergoglio was second on each ballot in last conclave

Yesterday, this article appeared in the St. Louis Review by Carol Zimmermann of CNS. Talk about prophetic! From the article ...

Cardinal Bergoglio, who has also been mentioned as a possible contender in the current conclave, has had a growing reputation as a very spiritual man with a talent for pastoral leadership serving in a region with the largest number of the world's Catholics.

He rides the bus, visits the poor, lives in a simple apartment and cooks his own meals. To many in Buenos Aires, he is known simply as "Father Jorge."

The cardinal has also written books on spirituality and meditation and has been outspoken against abortion and same-sex marriages.

181 posted on 03/13/2013 1:55:55 PM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: SnakeDoctor
born in 1936? He's 78.

Wrong...try again.

182 posted on 03/13/2013 1:55:57 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: nickcarraway
"That puts a new spin on the, “Is the Pope Catholic?” joke. I went to a Jesuit school, and they made it clear, they are not Catholic, they are Jesuit. And most didn’t believe in God."

Unbelievable - not believe in God?

Maybe that is part of what has made the Catholic Church susceptible to sex scandals, Vatican Bank, etc.

I'm putting my faith in Pope Francis I - hope he doesn't let us down.

Pray for Pope Francis I.

183 posted on 03/13/2013 1:56:36 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: SoldierDad

A couple of decades? You’re a kid! LOL!

Pope Frances is 20 days younger than I.


184 posted on 03/13/2013 1:57:56 PM PDT by basil (basil, 2ASisters.org)
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

I believe you are mistaken, he just had his birthday 3/11/13.

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Are you sure about that? Did you read the first line in this posted article?

Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ (born December 17, 1936) is the current pope of the Roman Catholic Church, elected on March 13, 2013, and taking the regnal name of Francis I.


185 posted on 03/13/2013 1:59:05 PM PDT by deport
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
I believe you are mistaken, he just had his birthday 3/11/13.

I believe YOU are mistaken.....Jorge Mario Bergoglio, SJ (born December 17, 1936)

186 posted on 03/13/2013 2:01:40 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (We are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo screwed!)
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To: SeekAndFind

“Let’s pray for whole world that there be brotherhood. I hope this journey of the church we begin today is fruitful for evangelization.” - Pope Francis I


187 posted on 03/13/2013 2:01:47 PM PDT by mgist
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To: ClearCase_guy
Too funny!

HA,HA,HA!

188 posted on 03/13/2013 2:02:23 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: SeekAndFind

He was NOT on the list of those considered “papabili” by the media and Vatican watchers.

Francis was a surprise choice and the cardinals outfoxed every one. He won on the fifth ballot.


189 posted on 03/13/2013 2:02:30 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am shocked Father Dougal McGuire had the same odds as Dawkins!


190 posted on 03/13/2013 2:02:52 PM PDT by madameguinot
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To: SeekAndFind

At last, after all these years we can again say that the bear is Italian!


191 posted on 03/13/2013 2:03:48 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Errant; edcoil
He had a forth cousin, thrice removed, who lived next door to a guy named Peter.

That seals, it, he's the guy in the Malacy prophecy.

192 posted on 03/13/2013 2:04:42 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Chavez had to die first before a Latina became pope...


193 posted on 03/13/2013 2:05:39 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Sarah Barracuda
I am not Catholic but he seems like a good man..they made the right choice..today is a very blessed day all the best to Catholics all over the world

Thank you Sarah Barracuda, for your kind words. Today is a good day for believers.

194 posted on 03/13/2013 2:07:46 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Ann Archy

And Saint Francis was a truly great one, founding a great order, service to others, poverty, philosophy of love and service to God and man.


195 posted on 03/13/2013 2:08:36 PM PDT by Williams (No Obama)
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To: Seventh_Tiger

With life expectancy today what it is, he could serve 15 to 20 years.

But the papacy is not for a man who can’t lead. Its a very big job and it can wear out even the toughest of spirits.


196 posted on 03/13/2013 2:08:38 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: SnakeDoctor
Gonna have to do the whole thing over again in a few years.

We Catholics have been through it over and over again for centuries.

197 posted on 03/13/2013 2:12:19 PM PDT by Fudd Fan (Dont worship the earth, worship the God Who made it.)
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To: rockabyebaby

Read the thread, slick. Several are quicker than you at nitpicking arithmetic.

SnakeDoc


198 posted on 03/13/2013 2:15:03 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: thesearethetimes...

Thanks very much for finding and posting that article from 2005. God bless and keep you.

God be with our new Pope Francis.

God bless and keep Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI


199 posted on 03/13/2013 2:17:53 PM PDT by onyx (FREE REPUBLIC IS HERE TO STAY! DONATE MONTHLY! IF YOU WANT ON SARAH PALIN''S PING LIST, LET ME KNOW)
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To: Rashputin
That seals, it, he's the guy in the Malacy prophecy.

While there is some controversy as to Pretrus Romanus being in the original prediction, you're right, he IS the guy who completes Malachy's prophecy.

200 posted on 03/13/2013 2:18:54 PM PDT by Errant
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