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Jorge Mario Bergoglio is elected Pope Francis
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Posted on 03/13/2013 12:29:03 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: MARKUSPRIME

Mark I would not bother, the Holy Spirit will enlighten the ones who want to see, want to know Jesus and want to have a relationship with only him. God knows the heart, he knows the number of hairs on our head. To argue about Peter, Petros and Solo Scriptura is fruitless, we pray for our Catholic brothers that they may see and know Jesus, unencumbered in dogma, rules, doctrines and traditions. That they read and meditate on his word and really know him. That they know love over rules, compassion over religiosity, faithfulness over repetitive prayers and mutterings and know that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega, he is the Rock, the Keystone and our Savior.


351 posted on 03/15/2013 4:23:12 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: pburgh01
unencumbered in dogma, rules, doctrines and traditions.

Like Luther's dogma of Sola Scriptura?

If you find Luther or his dogma in the Bible, let us know.

And which Scriptures should we meditate on, the Books handed down by the Apostles, or Luther's abridged Bible?

Only an authority outside Scripture can determine the canon of Scripture.

Are you the authority? Luther? A group of first century Jews? I don't recall any of them being mentioned in the Bible.

Catholics choose to ask these obvious, logical questions, because we serve Truth. It's something that all Christians should do.

352 posted on 03/15/2013 4:38:59 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: terycarl

Out of respect to the new Pope, and to let you have your celebratory thread, I won’t discuss this on this thread. You may take it up with me on another thread, OR you may freepmail me about it, and I will discuss it there.


353 posted on 03/15/2013 5:22:12 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: terycarl

Amen and amen!


354 posted on 03/15/2013 6:20:28 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: MARKUSPRIME
Only Christ forgives sins, not men, not ever. Its false and blasphemous doctrine.

noone denies that...of course Christ forgives sin....it is against Him that we sin....however, He chose an earthly path by which we may seek forgiveness.....confess to a priest and he will indeed confer on you the forgiveness oif Christ.....simple!

355 posted on 03/15/2013 3:45:29 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl; MARKUSPRIME

I trust The Holy Spirit with my confessions and forgiveness.

It is extremely convenient to have a direct line to God.


356 posted on 03/15/2013 8:07:10 PM PDT by SisterK (Bill Whittle for president)
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To: terycarl

“confess to a priest and he will indeed confer on you the forgiveness oif Christ.....simple!”

Ummm no Jesus said the only way to the father was through him. No priest is needed as they are just men not divine. Pray in Jesus name to God is all thats needed its all in the scriptures it couldn’t be more clear. No man can get you in touch with god or absolve you of your sins, Pray to Christ, period, anything else is blasphemy.


357 posted on 03/16/2013 1:03:36 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: terycarl

For years Pagans and Nicolaitans have accepted the Greek mistranslation of the original Hebrew.

So what!

Yeshua as the Rock is the central theme of the entire Bible. (ask Paul)

Only a trivial reader would fail to see the error of anyone but Yeshua as the Rock. Only a trivial reader would fail to see and understand the stern rebuke of Peter only verses away. Yeshua always makes it impossible to read him wrong, unless, of course, you are of the adversary’s family.


358 posted on 03/17/2013 2:17:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Yeshua, like his disciples spoke only in Hebrew, because he “came unto his own...”

Yeshua never had occasion to speak in Aramaic because his ministry was not to the minute handful of Aramic speakers in the region. Also Harrod’s regime was distinctly Hebrew speaking, as all Edomites were.


359 posted on 03/17/2013 2:24:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

All Christians know that, on the Cross, Jesus Christ said “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani.” And all well read Christians know that those words are in Aramaic, not in Greek or Hebrew or what have you. What comic books have you been reading that told you that Jesus Christ and his Disciples did not speak in Aramaic with one another?

Stop digging yourself into a deeper hole. If you don’t even know what language was spoken by Christ with his disciples, don’t go trolling into Catholic threads and displaying your ignorance on the origin if the name Peter.


360 posted on 03/17/2013 4:14:21 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

Those are not the words Yeshua spoke, but what some translator translated them to.

Literally all of the NT is in this condition. Are you not intelligent enough to grasp this?


361 posted on 03/17/2013 5:32:02 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yeah, that must be it. Jesus spoke in Hebrew, and they decided to translate what he said to Aramaic (which, according to you, no one spoke back then), and then kept in Aramaic when they wrote the Gospels in Greek. You should write to every single scholar who has studied the issue and explain to them that they’re all wrong, and that everyone back then (including Jesus and his Disciples) spoke exclusively in Hebrew. Oh, except the time that Jesus spoke to Peter and gave him a Greek (not Aramaic, God forbid) name.


362 posted on 03/17/2013 9:33:01 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

So that you can stop rebounding off then walls and ceiling:

“The Language of Jesus”
By Douglas Hamp
ISBN: 978-1-59751-017-2

Remember Nehemiah?

Yep, they were Hebrew speakers that brought back the true worship to Jerusalem, even able to read the Hebrew scrolls, and of course the Edomites that had remained in the land never spoke anything but Hebrew.

There really never was any question.


363 posted on 03/18/2013 10:58:45 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

If Douglas Hamp actually wrote that Jesus and His Disciples spoke in Hebrew, not Aramaic, with each other, then Hamp is in a distinct minority (not to say fringe) of scholars. It’s funny how you choose to ignore the dozens of more prominent Biblical scholars (James Dunn, James Barr, etc.) who assert that he spoke Aramaic, and that you risibly claim that when He is quoted in the Gospels as speaking in Aramaic that it was translated from Hebrew into Aramaic by those writing in Greek.

And, of course, to return to the reason why you decided to troll this thread in the first place, you believe that Jesus spoke exclusively in Hebrew with His Disciples yet chose to give Simon the Greek name Petros. Anything to avoid admitting that He named Simon “Cephas,” which is Aramaic for “Rock.”

Yes, there never was any question, which is why the early Christians accepted St. Peter as the leader of the Church. But if you prefer to believe histprical revisionism about what Jesus said, you should at least know what language He spoke.


364 posted on 03/18/2013 3:40:29 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll defend your rights?)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

I’ll waste no more time trying to educate you.


365 posted on 03/19/2013 8:06:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: AuH2ORepublican

>> “If Douglas Hamp actually wrote that Jesus and His Disciples spoke in Hebrew, not Aramaic, with each other, then Hamp is in a distinct minority (not to say fringe) of scholars.” <<

Perhaps you use the term “scholars” too loosely.

Papias, (AD 60 - 130) Flatly declared that all of the first writings of the NT were in Hebrew.

The following is a ten part video on the subject, sponsored by Rood, but conducted by Nehemia Gordon, a Karaite Jewish scholar. He demonstrates that the gospel of Matthew had to have been written in Hebrew, and possibly translated to Aramaic with great difficulty by the author, and much later translated to Greek by Greek scholars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka-JKIVMbic

Episode 8 is the most interesting of them but all are quite edifying.


366 posted on 03/27/2013 8:48:32 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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