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California grabs guns and warns residents they’re on their own in next big quake
The Examiner ^ | 3/13/13 | David Codrea

Posted on 03/13/2013 8:20:22 PM PDT by Nachum

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“On Thursday, the California State Senate passed the first in a spate of 30 gun control bills authored in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, which, taken together, have the potential to fundamentally alter gun ownership in the Golden State,” Aaron Sankin of The Huffington Post reported.

“The bill, authored by Senator Mark Leno (D-San Francisco) and passed in a largely bipartisan vote, would require a mandatory background check fee on all gun purchases,” the report continued. “The state would then use that money for a program that confiscates firearms from people who are no longer legally allowed to own them due to a criminal conviction, mental illness or court order.”

A court order like a vindictive ex-significant other filing for a restraining order, among other things …? Isn’t it curious how those who actually engage in threatening behavior against women are allowed to plea down and keep their guns –if they’re on the right side of the “gun control” debate and have the right connections?

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; california; earthquake; grabs; guncontrol; guns; secondamendment

1 posted on 03/13/2013 8:20:22 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

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2 posted on 03/13/2013 8:23:51 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

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http://thesurvivalmom.com/2011/11/20/8-morale-boosters-for-any-worst-case-scenario/

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/02/02/survival-priorities-the-rule-of-three/

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3 posted on 03/13/2013 8:26:17 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Nachum

Lawmakers were vindicated when hundreds of thousands of criminals, hearing of the new restrictive gun laws, drove into police stations everywhere, and turned in their guns.

Oh that ISN’T part of the story, as it DIDN’T HAPPEN because this is REALITY and not Libtard IMAGINATIONLAND they freaking live in....


4 posted on 03/13/2013 8:30:14 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Nachum

Yeah like the Sheriff in San Francisco. Pays to have friends in high places.


5 posted on 03/13/2013 8:33:26 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Nachum
America was once a Constitutional republic where We The People were the sovereigns. The democrips fixed that little error from our founders. The republicants seem unable to comprehend the insidiousness of their betrayal of We The People.
6 posted on 03/13/2013 8:41:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: Nachum
would require a mandatory background check fee on all gun purchases,” the report continued. “The state would then use that money for a program that confiscates firearms from people who are no longer legally allowed to own them due to a criminal conviction, mental illness or court order.”

I live in california, there is already universal background check and a fee, so whats the big deal? and taking guns from convicted criminals and the mentally ill, frankly, sounds like a pretty good idea.

7 posted on 03/13/2013 8:50:20 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: MHGinTN

I think they comprehend it and are participating in it.


8 posted on 03/13/2013 8:50:57 PM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Nachum

Gun Confiscation. In some cases without committing a crime. And most of the guns are destroyed.

Or that is what Bloomberg News says.


9 posted on 03/13/2013 8:54:06 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: beebuster2000
Uhhh. Who accesses those who are “mentally ill”? Nurse? Doctor? Court? Some medical bureaucrat?

I am very glad I do not live in CA.

Besides they would not like me either. Too ornery.

10 posted on 03/13/2013 8:57:08 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: beebuster2000

Anyone can put a restraining order on anyone for any number of airy reasons.


11 posted on 03/13/2013 8:59:29 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Nachum

Talk about a disaster waiting to happen.


12 posted on 03/13/2013 9:02:00 PM PDT by Republican1795.
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To: All

what is really disgusting is that Bloomberg was PLANNING AND CALCULATING a pr campaign after the joker shootings! He was just lying in wait PLANING to use the next crisis.

Bloomberg was depending and calculating the use of the blood of innocents. he was not trying to PREVENT the deaths in newtown, Bloomberg was COUNTING on deaths!

very evolved of Nanny bloodsucker.


13 posted on 03/13/2013 9:02:12 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: beebuster2000

We have background checks everywhere.
What Ca has is REGISTRATION and registration is the first step to universal confiscation.


14 posted on 03/13/2013 9:03:07 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: longtermmemmory

Many of the sick libtards have admitted as much during the senate hearings on gun control, they applauded the victims of Newtown for giving them this opportunity.

They had the family’s stand and they gave them an ovation!

SICK!


15 posted on 03/13/2013 9:07:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: beebuster2000

What is mentally ill? Hyperactivity,Bipolar,Anxiety,OCD?? People that have never hurt or have never had any incidents of problems due to their disorder? Will they deem every one on medication Mentally Ill? Just a question?


16 posted on 03/13/2013 9:09:44 PM PDT by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: mylife

michael cheeseburger moore now wants the bloody pictures made public in order to use the images. the truth is wining the debate and the effetes are scared their low information voters are not enough this time.


17 posted on 03/13/2013 9:10:02 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Yup.


18 posted on 03/13/2013 9:10:55 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

that has been the case for a while. Now consider how police are treated, they are given routine expemptions.

one set of laws for the people on the wrong side of the thin blue line.


19 posted on 03/13/2013 9:24:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Let me guess, he will keep his armed guards.


20 posted on 03/13/2013 9:24:23 PM PDT by matt04
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To: Nachum

California’s reached critical mass, and Baby Bro’s looking to move, very reluctantly but he’s a gunsmith and therefore a marked man. I note the obvious: (1) pious assertions that the gun control process will never lead to confiscation were lies, and (2) California is, as it has been, a cultural bellwether that is leading the rest of the country into an outright police state.


21 posted on 03/13/2013 9:26:19 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Nachum; Travis McGee; Kartographer; JRandomFreeper; marktwain

Just ran across this interesting article:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f24_1357621227

“If they come for your guns, do you have a responsibility to fight?”

by Dean Garrison

Food for thought


22 posted on 03/13/2013 10:04:50 PM PDT by TEXOKIE (We must surrender only to our Holy God and never to the evil that has befallen us.)
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To: chris37
I think they comprehend it and are participating in it.

Right. R & D are on the same side, playing good-cop/bad-cop with the Right. Conservatives have no real voice.
23 posted on 03/13/2013 10:44:24 PM PDT by 867V309
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To: beebuster2000

>>I live in california, there is already universal background check and a fee, so whats the big deal? and taking guns from convicted criminals and the mentally ill, frankly, sounds like a pretty good idea.<<

Yes, why should the loss of freedom be such a big deal. Wear your chains lightly, o good citizen of Acirema.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 11:17:29 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: beebuster2000

The big deal? It’s just another TAX on fees for a law that violates unfettered Constitutional rights, that’s all....

Secondly, Universal background checks mean nothing unless they keep a data base. This is REGISTRATION, and registration is, frankly, just CONFISCATION not yet executed.

As far as the criminals/nuts thing and guns, that’s California’s business, I guess...however, to implement this, they are using a database of the entire gun owning population to do it. And, THAT is what I have a big, big problem with.

Wait and see when LA or SF gets the big one! Mother of All Quakes. When the guard and LEOs are out confiscating your legally owned guns instead of finding and helping victims, you’ll think twice about it, but it will be too late


25 posted on 03/14/2013 2:21:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Nachum
SABRYNA BELL
26 posted on 03/14/2013 2:29:51 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Updated [http://tinyurl.com/d2opv9v] [http://tinyurl.com/ccqyjmb])
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To: Nachum

“The state would then use that money for a program that confiscates firearms from people who are no longer legally allowed to own them due to a criminal conviction, mental illness or court order.”

Why couldn’t some lefty judge degree that all firearms are to be confiscated? Judges have been making laws for years.


27 posted on 03/14/2013 4:05:39 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: beebuster2000
Why do you trust government ?

you sound like a liberal

we are losing are freedoms everyday as government grows and gets more responsibilities and you are ok with that and want to give them more power , to determine who is insane and then give them power to come to our house to take away our guns, our property?

I want the government to leave us alone

The threat and the only real problems are the media and gov

There are a million fake crisis and a million fake threats the media and gov will come up to get people to say “ we ought to do something about that “ , then the government gets an additional power.Even if it WERE a real threat a government agency won't be accountable or able to fix it. socialism doesn't work.

28 posted on 03/14/2013 4:39:50 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beebuster2000
Why do you trust government ?

you sound like a liberal

we are losing our freedoms everyday as government grows and gets more responsibilities and you are ok with that and want to give them more power , to determine who is insane and then give them power to come to our house to take away our guns, our property?

I want the government to leave us alone

The threat and the only real problems are the media and gov

There are a million fake crisis and a million fake threats the media and gov will come up to get people to say “ we ought to do something about that “ , then the government gets an additional power.Even if it WERE a real threat a government agency won't be accountable or able to fix it. socialism doesn't work.

29 posted on 03/14/2013 4:41:03 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beebuster2000

Just wait ‘till “mental illness” is defined as posting on a conservative, racist, tea-bagger, right-wing, gun-nut-militia web forum.

Think that can’t happen here? Think again.


30 posted on 03/14/2013 4:54:37 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: Kartographer

bump for later reading


31 posted on 03/14/2013 5:26:01 AM PDT by freebird5850 (The only good thing about Barry getting re-elected is now we get to see him fall from a higher place)
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To: Democrat_media
i> Why do you trust government?

You sound like a liberal,

Yes, beebuster2000 does sound very much like a liberal; it appears that he must have been indoctrinated pretty good by the media out there in California.

32 posted on 03/14/2013 6:57:39 AM PDT by OldPossum
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To: Republican1795.
"Talk about a disaster waiting to happen."

Some folks just dont look @ the horizon...

33 posted on 03/14/2013 9:53:29 AM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: crazydad

You’ll be determined mentally ill if you voted Republican for any local, state or national election within the past 15 years.


34 posted on 03/14/2013 10:29:44 AM PDT by bgill
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To: beebuster2000

It is practically standard practice for a divorcing wife to get a restraining order against the husband to deny contact between him and the children during the divorce or say that he was abusive and get a domestic violence restraining order. Now he loses his guns, because she played the victim in divorce court.


35 posted on 03/14/2013 3:31:43 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: mylife

there is no gun registration in california, i dont know where you got that from.

when you buy a gun they swipe your licence for the fed check, it comes back right away ok, then the purchase is done. 10 days later for long guns, 15 for handguns, you come back and pick up the gun. a pain, but frankly not the end of the world.


36 posted on 03/14/2013 7:50:51 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Gaffer

they dont keep a data base. its not even a state program its the fed program.


37 posted on 03/14/2013 7:51:42 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: crazydad

they define mentally ill as institutionalized after a diagnosis of mental illness.

frankly i am ok with keeping guns from anyone who has been in a mental hospital. arent you?


38 posted on 03/14/2013 7:53:09 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Democrat_media

i dont trust government. just saying the program is in place now and it aint that big a deal. the waiting period is a stupid pain but its not the end of the world.

plus, i do think they need to keep people who have been diagnozed and institutionalized for mental illness, or conviscted felons away from guns.


39 posted on 03/14/2013 7:55:02 PM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000

Then how by God, are they correlating these databases?

They are tracking these people down somehow.


40 posted on 03/14/2013 7:56:35 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: beebuster2000
Your program is a government program. it is administered by government idiots. you trust them and government to do what they say it will do (what you think it will do). what has government done right the gov schools where most graduates are illiterate (NO). This is the the land of the free, government by the people ? what a laugh. who is watching these government morons who are administering this “great” gov program. aren't we the people supposed to be watching them ? who elected these great minds that have so much authority over us to decide who is insane , who can buy a gun.

It is because of people like you that we have this huge government , and are losing our freedoms.

41 posted on 03/14/2013 8:01:19 PM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beebuster2000

No, I’m not ok with it. Define “mental illness” if you please. Schizophrenia? Depression? ADD? ADHD? Bulimia?


42 posted on 03/14/2013 8:03:37 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: OldPossum
Yes, beebuster2000 is a liberal/statist/socialist

he trusts government

he trusts government to check on us and say who is insane, who can own a gun etc.

it is because of people like this beebuster2000 that we have this huge government and are losing our freedoms

when gov expands liberty contracts. liberal morons don't understand that Why can a gov bureaucrat tell me what to do, ask this beebuster that ?

43 posted on 03/14/2013 8:05:27 PM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beebuster2000

If it were up to me I would classify gun grabbers and liberals as having a God Complex.
Should they therefore give up their rights because I think they could be dangerous?

In one instance of the recent gun grab in Ca, some woman was sent to the mental place for 2 days.

They came and took her gun and two guns that her husband owned.
He never did anything, why does he forfeit his rights?

If you lose a longtime spouse, parent or sibling and you get diagnosed as clinically depressed, do you lose your rights for life?
No soldier can serve in a war zone and not come home unaffected.
Some call this PTSD.
People experience PTSD in civilian life too, in divorces or any range of jarring events.

Does this make them unfit?

This is a slippery slope and should be discussed rationally.

This is America, we do not limit the rights of all in a misguided effort to make the world safe.
We ensure the rights of all, knowing that life is complex and often times charges are without basis.


44 posted on 03/14/2013 8:09:21 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: beebuster2000
Watch the Count Of Monte Cristo brother.

Watch a man tried without trail.

45 posted on 03/14/2013 8:14:05 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: beebuster2000
You just empower government when you allow them to determine who is insane or run some gov program. you don't become any safer.defend yourself against criminals or the insane. 2.5 million home invasions per year in the U.S.A. and not many were insane. Each year only 1 mass shooter of the type that the media made famous. the media doesn't report the home invasions committed by very sane evil democrat voters.

the mental patients are the democrat politicians imo.

you think some mental patient is a threat to you ? gov is the threat, the media is the threat, the politicians and gov bureaucrats are the threat. you can protect yourself against a mental patient in the 1/trillion th chance that one would attack you but you can't defend yourself against the government.

why does a gov bureaucrat have the right to tell me what to do.

they'll say I'm insane because i’m a global warming denier.

you trust government so you are a liberal/statist/socialist , PERIOD

46 posted on 03/14/2013 8:14:07 PM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beebuster2000

You do realize that it is the very liberals coming for folks guns that made it impossible for the Clinton ban to be effective for mental patients?

HIPPA laws protected them.

Now Obama through a series of executive orders has over turned that.
He flat out called for Drs to ask patients about guns, and assured them that they would feel no legal repercussions
if they turned in some gun owner that they thought was a bit off.

So now Obie has given the green light to any GP or RN to decide if you should be turned in.
This can be done in a matter of hours.
No Psychology degree, no trial, just some liberal RN that is scared you have more than one gun.

Be very careful with this stuff.


47 posted on 03/14/2013 8:22:31 PM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Democrat_media

stop, you are making me laugh


48 posted on 03/15/2013 4:43:27 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: beebuster2000
you trust government to do background checks on us . you trust that government works , that they have the right to tell us who is fit to own a gun.

you are a liberal/socialist/statist

why do you trust government idiots, why, why?

why does some moron who gets a government job all of sudeen why does he have the right to tell me what to do , or to say if I can own a gun etc, by what right?

49 posted on 03/22/2013 5:47:00 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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