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Senate hearing tonight-Good Bill, Bad Bill (MN gun ban)
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Posted on 03/14/2013 5:05:42 AM PDT by TurboZamboni

Tonight in St. Paul, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hear two bills: one would strip away your Constitutional rights, and the other would lock up criminals who misuse guns. The hearing starts at 6 p.m. in Room 15 of the State Capitol (on the first floor, below the rotunda). Seating is very limited;arrive early or expect to watch the hearing from an overflow room. Please wear a maroon shirt or a GOCRA t-shirt if you have one!

Minnesota House The good: Rep. Hilstrom (DFL) has introduced a rights-respecting bill*, HF 1325, that focuses on keeping guns away from criminals and the dangerously mentally ill, not law-abiding gun owners. It has 78 bipartisan co-authors -- well over half the House -- as well as the support of GOCRA, the NRA, the Minnesota Sheriffs Association and the Minnesota County Attorneys Association. Rep Paymar has indicated that he won't give this widely supported bill a hearing in his committee.

(*You may see this bill called 1323, 1324 and 1325 -- so many representatives wanted to sign it that Rep. Hilstrom had to file three identical bills!)

The bad: Rep. Michael Paymar (DFL - St. Paul) is the chairman of the Public Safety Committee, and has introduced a rights-violating bill, HF 237, that would impose universal registration and other fees, penalties and infringements on law-abiding citizens. Rep. Paymar has said that he will hold hearings on his bill next week.

Minnesota Senate The good: Sen.Ortman (R - Chanhassen) introduced SF 1359 yesterday. It's a companion to Rep. Hilstrom's rights-respecting bill, and also enjoys the same broad bipartisan and law enforcement support.

The bad: Sen. Ron Latz (DFL - St. Louis Park) is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and has introduced an amended SF 458, a companion to Paymar's rights-violating bill.

(Excerpt) Read more at gocra-mn.org ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; News/Current Events; US: Minnesota
KEYWORDS: 1325; ban; banglist; guncontrol; mn; secondamendment
The Worst Parts of the Bad Bills Universal Registration: These bills would require universal registration of pistols and sporting rifles, implemented through a "universal" background check, -- twice: The bills would require every sale of such guns to go through a licensed dealer, who would charge $25 per transfer. These transfers would still require a permit to purchase, for which the House bill would charge you another $25 annually. Rights Delayed The bills extend the time that sheriffs and police have to process a purchase permit from five to seven business days, and allow the law enforcement official to fingerprint the applicant and extend the deadline to 30 days. Rights Denied Easier Carry Permit Denials The bad bills would allow sheriffs the judgement to deny a carry permit on the basis of a subjective "likelihood" that the applicant was dangerous.

More Difficult Carry Permit Appeals The bad bills positively encourage abusive denials: they remove the sheriffs' obligation to pay an applicant's legal fees when a permit denial is overturned -- a safeguard that has kept sheriffs departments honest, and bogus denials fairly low, for almost 10 years. The Sheriff’s Association has not asked for this unfair reversal of law.

The bad bills also lower the sheriffs' standard of proof of danger to self or other others from "clear and convincing evidence" to the mere "preponderance of the evidence."

Due Process Protections Gutted The bad bills would remove legal protections against losing your firearm rights. Currently, before you lose your right to own a firearm, you must be convicted or committed by a court. Under the new bill, any involuntary hospitalization, even overnight, would disqualify you from owning guns indefinitely.

Making The Law Abiding Into Convicts The bad bills set a very low standard of proof for conviction of serious gun crimes, using the phrase "knows or has reason to believe" to convict sellers who reports a gun stolen, or who sell a gun to a person who later commits a crime.

More Difficult Civil Rights Restoration The bad bills increase the difficulty and expense for a person who has paid their debt to society to regain their civil rights.

1 posted on 03/14/2013 5:05:42 AM PDT by TurboZamboni
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To: TurboZamboni

Which way to the courthouse ?


2 posted on 03/14/2013 6:00:55 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (NRA Life Member)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The Worst Parts of the Bad Bills

Universal Registration:

These bills would require universal registration of pistols and sporting rifles, implemented through a "universal" background check, -- twice: The bills would require every sale of such guns to go through a licensed dealer, who would charge $25 per transfer. These transfers would still require a permit to purchase, for which the House bill would charge you another $25 annually.

Rights Delayed

The bills extend the time that sheriffs and police have to process a purchase permit from five to seven business days, and allow the law enforcement official to fingerprint the applicant and extend the deadline to 30 days. 

Rights Denied

Easier Carry Permit Denials

The bad bills would allow sheriffs the judgement to deny a carry permit on the basis of a subjective "likelihood" that the applicant was dangerous.  

More Difficult Carry Permit Appeals

The bad bills positively encourage abusive denials: they remove the sheriffs' obligation to pay an applicant's legal fees when a permit denial is overturned -- a safeguard that has kept sheriffs departments honest, and bogus denials fairly low, for almost 10 years.  The Sheriff’s Association has not asked for this unfair reversal of law.  

The bad bills also lower the sheriffs' standard of proof of danger to self or other others from "clear and convincing evidence" to the mere "preponderance of the evidence."

3 posted on 03/14/2013 8:31:56 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TurboZamboni

It seems that states are the ones that are passing bills. I don’t believe the federal government will pass a single gun bill. I believe it is becoming a states right type of thing. Really weird how this evolved.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 4:42:33 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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