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Medal of Honor Recipient: New Drone Medal is ‘Ludicrous’
U.S. Naval Institute ^ | 3/14/2013 | U.S. Naval Institute

Posted on 03/14/2013 1:10:05 PM PDT by Saint X

The creation of the new medal honoring unmanned vehicle pilots and cyber troops, “is a telling and sad commentary on the judgment of those who are responsible for the creation and approval of this award,” Jack Jacobs, Medal of Honor recipient and Vietnam veteran, told USNI News on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.usni.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: medal; military; miltech; moh; naval; pentagon; usmilitary; valor

1 posted on 03/14/2013 1:10:05 PM PDT by Saint X
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2 posted on 03/14/2013 1:13:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Saint X
New Drone Medal is ‘Ludicrous’

He's being far too charitable.

3 posted on 03/14/2013 1:14:39 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Saint X

What a simple way for the “One” to slap down the military!


4 posted on 03/14/2013 1:16:32 PM PDT by wesagain (The God #Elohim# of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: Saint X

I am not as offended by this drone medal as some might be. Its not like the drone pilots are getting a silver star, thus watering down its meaning. Its a distinct medal, as I understand it. And don’t we want the drone pilots to do a good job? You can’t give a soldier a pay raise or a spot bonus - but you can give medals. I’m ok with rewarding good work with a medal.

When I was in the Army, I was awarded the National Defense Service Medal (NDSM). Its essentially a participation medal, which meant I was on active duty during the first Gulf War. I wasn’t in the combat zone, or anywhere close to it...just on active duty. I felt silly, quite frankly...but we all got it, and it is what it is. The NDSM has been around since the Korean war; and, in my opinion its worse than a drone medal. So its not like the drone medal is the first of its kind.

So I say go ahead and give the medal. I’d like to think it would be reserved for soldiers who do a really good job - I imagine some soldiers are better than others at identifying targets, etc.

Now please excuse me while I put my Nomex underwear on.


5 posted on 03/14/2013 1:21:47 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

There is nothing in this medal that can’t be covered by a Commendation Medal. There is simply no need for it.


6 posted on 03/14/2013 1:27:55 PM PDT by Little Ray (Waiting for the return of the Gods of the Copybook Headings.)
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To: lacrew

All they need if they do something that can be measured as above and beyond, or as super competent when compared to the other guys and gals in the office, is a framed document for their wall and an award in their file, they don’t need a medal for their dress uniform.


7 posted on 03/14/2013 1:28:19 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: ansel12

I was in the Army from 1958 to 1961. I spent two years in Germany.

I received the Good Conduct Medal.


8 posted on 03/14/2013 1:51:41 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)

Did you see Elvis?


9 posted on 03/14/2013 1:52:34 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: martin_fierro

Drone Medal. Something you get for distinguished drinking and pronounced lisp at the Drone Club.


10 posted on 03/14/2013 1:55:53 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: lacrew

Nomex? How racist of you :).


11 posted on 03/14/2013 1:57:11 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Dan(9698)

People can make their arguments for a medal indicating that a soldier is among the good during a years long period of service being on his uniform.

I don’t see the use of a special medal for the guy who does(what exactly???) one day while sitting at his desk, he is still eligible for the good conduct medal.


12 posted on 03/14/2013 1:57:25 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Saint X; All

13 posted on 03/14/2013 2:02:04 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: dfwgator

No.

Elvis was in a tank outfit in the middle of the country.

I was in a Nike Hercules Anti-aircraft unit on the border with France.


14 posted on 03/14/2013 2:04:03 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Saint X

In your face disrespectful-—and meant to be


15 posted on 03/14/2013 2:04:58 PM PDT by krunkygirl (force multiplier in effect...)
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To: lacrew

I agree with your excellent post.
We’ve only seen the beginnings of this trend.
I suspect 20 years from now a huge amount of combat will be done in this fashion.


16 posted on 03/14/2013 2:06:54 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Little Ray

I can’t argue with you - an ARCOM could cover this. However, I remember ARCOM’s being given out like candy. Our commander made a big deal out of giving one to our clerk, when he PCS’d to a new post.

Another guy got one for doing a real good job selling hot dogs and candy at the gunnery range.

I don’t really know what a drone pilot does, but I assume it involves landing the thing successfully, identifying targets, intepreting the situation, and they are probably given the responsibility of being the last fail safe against a friendly fire or civilian casualty incident. To me its ‘ok’ for them to have a seperate adornment, which can’t be confused as a ‘hot dog selling’ medal.

When I was in the Army, I liked being able to ‘know who I’m dealing with’ when I met a person....and the medals and awards were very helpful. Airborne wings, Ranger Patches, branch insignia, unit badges, etc could let you know where a guy had been, etc. This would be no different - if I saw a guy in dress uniform, I would instantly know that he had been a drone pilot.

Anyway, I’m certainly not lobbying for the medal...but it doesn’t really bother me. Remember, I had to wear my ‘nothing medal’ NDSM around - at least a Drone medal would have more meaning than that.


17 posted on 03/14/2013 2:25:42 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: Dan(9698)
I received the Good Conduct Medal.

I refer to mine as my "Didn't-get-caught" medal. :=)

18 posted on 03/14/2013 2:27:24 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Little Ray
There is nothing in this medal that can’t be covered by a Commendation Medal. There is simply no need for it.

There already is a medal called the Army Achievement Medal, it's basically a certificate of achievement worn on the uniform. It was designed for new soldiers to "have something to wear" besides their NDSM and Good conduct (road guard and fireguard ribbons).

19 posted on 03/14/2013 2:27:39 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: lacrew
I don’t really know what a drone pilot does, but I assume it involves landing the thing successfully, identifying targets, intepreting the situation, and they are probably given the responsibility of being the last fail safe against a friendly fire or civilian casualty incident. To me its ‘ok’ for them to have a seperate adornment, which can’t be confused as a ‘hot dog selling’ medal.

Whatever he does, the medal for doing it shouldn't rate above the Purple Heart (and many other combat awards).

If they want to have such a medal for drone pilots, fine. Just rank it appropriately. -- Doing that would eliminate most people's objections to it.

20 posted on 03/14/2013 2:34:15 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

21 posted on 03/14/2013 2:37:23 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson (Molon Labe!)
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To: Bob

“Whatever he does, the medal for doing it shouldn’t rate above the Purple Heart (and many other combat awards).”

Ok, I did not know that. And I agree, it should not be given a higher precedence than those.

I found this link:

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2013/02/military-new-medal-for-drone-pilots-outranks-bronze-star-021313/

And it seems like the inventors of the medal want it to be a sort of Distinguished Flying Cross ‘Junior’ medal, which I agree is not appropriate.


22 posted on 03/14/2013 2:46:49 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

The medal shouldn’t have a higher status then a purple heart and bronze star. I think that goes a little too far.


23 posted on 03/14/2013 4:03:07 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: martin_fierro

It’s not an award, it’s a 201 file stain.


24 posted on 03/14/2013 4:06:45 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Dan(9698)
I was in a Nike Hercules Anti-aircraft unit on the border with France.

I know I cannot possibly be the first person to ask you this, but were the launchers trained to the east, or to the west?

25 posted on 03/14/2013 4:10:10 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Saint X

The Medal of Honor will be relegated to being on a par with a Nobel Prize (such as awarded for “Global Warming”, AlGore, or Obama for doing nothing.....)


26 posted on 03/14/2013 6:09:10 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
were the launchers trained to the east, or to the west?

The launchers were at 85 degrees, so they were aimed at the location the booster was to fall into.

If they were 90 degrees they would fall back onto your head.

The booster runs 2.5 seconds and the missile is 30,000 feet and going about 3000 miles an hour. The booster then falls about a half mile or so from the launcher.

The computer had already set a gyro in the missile to the direction of the target. After the booster separates the missile rolls to the direction of the intercept point of the target. It then dives to the intercept point. The computer sends steering commands to send the missile to where the target will be when the intercept takes place.

So the answer is it doesn't make any difference which direction the launcher faces.

Ours were facing West.

27 posted on 03/14/2013 6:58:48 PM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Dan(9698)

Sort of vertical launch, with a slight offset to account dispose of the booster at some distance from the launch site. The vertical launch Seasparrow required extensive modifications to the AIM-7 Sparrow air to air version because of the 20G maneuver shortly after launch. One problem was that the frequency of the quartz oscillator was pulled by the high G turn, not due to any relativistic effects, but the centrifugal forces distorting and stressing the crystal. If not accounted for it could result in interesting consequences, such as the range safety officer not being able to communicate with it during the turn.


28 posted on 03/15/2013 5:36:25 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (What word begins with "O" and ends in economic collapse?)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
The Hercules takes off with 22G acceleration.

After booster separation it makes a 7G turn toward the intercept point.

It doesn't chase the target, it goes to the computed intercept point and receives its last command 1/3 of a second before burst. The burst command is the last command.

It has a 1000 LB warhead and is intended to burst within 100 yards of the target.

The burst is intended to be in front of the target so it has time to expand and become like a shotgun.

It also had the capability of carrying a nuclear warhead intended to consume a whole flight of bombers and any nuclear bombs they would be carrying. It is still classified whether they were armed with nuclear.

29 posted on 03/15/2013 9:49:57 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: lacrew

I’m with you. The military has tons and tons of awards for various thing, ranging the incredibly minor to the awe inspiring. I mean really, doing a tour of duty as a recruiter gets you a ribbon, why shouldn’t drone pilots (who let’s face it in our modern age of warfare are probably killing more enemy combatants than anybody else in the service) get something. Obviously it shouldn’t be considered one of the big ones, it’s not a distinguished anything or heroism, but they are killing bad guys.


30 posted on 03/15/2013 9:57:14 AM PDT by discostu (Not just another moon faced assassin of joy.)
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