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What Japanese history lessons leave out
BBC News ^ | 14th March 2013 | Mariko Oi

Posted on 03/14/2013 3:16:42 PM PDT by the scotsman

'Japanese people often fail to understand why neighbouring countries harbour a grudge over events that happened in the 1930s and 40s.

The reason, in many cases, is that they barely learned any 20th Century history.'

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Japan
KEYWORDS: china; japan; korea; worldwar2; worldwarii; wwii

1 posted on 03/14/2013 3:16:42 PM PDT by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

A lot of it is pretty horrific.


2 posted on 03/14/2013 3:19:58 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Or that even though invited T. Roosevelt’s Great White Fleet did not sail all their ships into Tokyo Bay because of the Japanese reputation for sneak attacks and undeclared war such as the raid on Port Arthur?

Or that from 1905 and Russo-Japanese War that nobody considered them trustworthy and many U.S. Military planners including King and Halsey were not the least bit surprised by Pearl Harbor?


3 posted on 03/14/2013 3:29:16 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: the scotsman

4 posted on 03/14/2013 3:34:52 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: the scotsman

One thing which interested me is that during WWI, the Japanese were on the Allied side against Germany. The German prisoners they captured were treated so well that many of them stayed in Japan after the war.

20 years later they turned into mainly monsters.


5 posted on 03/14/2013 3:36:14 PM PDT by yarddog (Per Ardua Ad Alta.)
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To: Sequoyah101

The Koreans hate em. The Japanese took young Korean ladies and forced them to be camp prostitutes. If the girls got a disease or pregnant they would put a rifle inside them and shoot.

I spoke with an old man who had been on a japanese work crew. The supervisor died from a lead infection (shot) and then replacement refused the job and died the same way. So when they asked this guy if he wanted the job he took it.


6 posted on 03/14/2013 3:36:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the scotsman
Rape of Nanking:


7 posted on 03/14/2013 3:36:39 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: the scotsman

I had a Japanese friend who was here in America in 1986 for a year. He said that no one in Japan really talks about WWII and what they did (Pearl Harbor, prison camps, brutality, etc.) to the enemy.

There are no AMVETS or VFW clubs in Japan . . . their veterans are shamed . . . they don’t want to talk about the war because of the devastation that they created and the fact that they lost so unceremoniously.

I took him to our USS Cod, docked in Cleveland’s downtown Naval port. When I pointed out the numerous Japanese flags pasted on the side of the submarine, he was very quiet.


8 posted on 03/14/2013 3:39:16 PM PDT by laweeks
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9 posted on 03/14/2013 3:39:19 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Here in Seattle the Japanese have big celebrations on Pearl Harbor Day


10 posted on 03/14/2013 3:40:35 PM PDT by angry elephant (Endangered species in Seattle)
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To: colorado tanker
The only thing the Japanese are taught about WWII is that the U.S. should not have dropped the bombs, not why they were dropped or the history that lead up to them.

Pretty much the same education as an American liberal.

11 posted on 03/14/2013 3:41:48 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

The islamonazi’s of their time....


12 posted on 03/14/2013 3:50:05 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: the scotsman

Nice article but it barely scratches the surface. They need to talk about all of the horrors that regime inflicted: the atrocities against the Filipinos, the Chomorros, the Vietnamese, the Okinawans and of course, all of its prisoners. A major crime the Japanese should address was the one done against itself - what people can survive when they blindly sacrifice a huge portion of their young men to suicidal tactics? Besides the moral aspects, think of the genetic loss for all time. It’s a sort of self-genocide.


13 posted on 03/14/2013 3:53:55 PM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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To: the scotsman

For many Japanese, World War Two began on August 6, 1945.

Before that, Japan was engaged in a Pacific-wide armed struggle to liberate their fellow Asians from British & American imperialism, and to bring to their fellow Asians all the benefits of incorporation into the “Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere”. For this, the Chinese, Koreans, Philippinos and Vietnamese have been most ungracious in their lack of gratitude for the sacrifices made by the brave soldiers of the Empire of Japan.

;^)


14 posted on 03/14/2013 3:55:10 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: driftdiver
In the 1980’s, I took a three week vacation in the Far East visiting Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, PRC, Macau, Bangkok, and Singapore. Where the Japanese occupied countries, the reaction to them was still the same — they were despised and hated. The same was true of the Philippines and Guam. They loathed Japan.

The reason why: the Japanese do not teach anything about the history of the run-up to WW2 and the Pacific War in their schools. Older Japanese that lived through the war do not speak of it. It is like a 20-year national collective amnesia that afflicts the country.

When Clint Eastwood filmed “Letters from Iwo Jima”, he used actors from Japan. In order to portray Imperial Army soldiers accurately, the actors had to learn history they were not taught. They were dumbfounded to learn what Japan had done. They were very sobered by it and many realized that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were the only way to end the slaughter.

15 posted on 03/14/2013 3:56:25 PM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: the scotsman

I know that the Japanese are very smart and hardworking. But there is a hubris at the core of their being that says that they are superior to everyone else on the planet. I do not blame them for this. It is a Shakespearean tragic flaw in their character.


16 posted on 03/14/2013 3:56:43 PM PDT by HChampagne
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My understanding is they teach their children that nothing unusual happened December 7, 1941. I’ve seen young people from Japan who could tell you the exact time “Little Boy” went off and the names of the Enola Gay’s crew, but knew nothing about that date. And we were a half-hour drive from Pearl Harbor at the time.


17 posted on 03/14/2013 4:08:14 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: the scotsman

Chinese and North Korean atrocities have been more recent.


18 posted on 03/14/2013 4:13:50 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: HChampagne

Most asian cultures are the same.


19 posted on 03/14/2013 4:41:20 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: the scotsman

Here are some Japanese atrocities that not everyone might be familiar with, some only revealed fairly recently.

http://compunews.com/gus/massacres.htm#pacific


20 posted on 03/14/2013 4:46:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: colorado tanker

They whine in California about the internment camps, but leave out the German and Italian internment camps, those pesky POW camps, the Rape of Nanking as well as Kamikake pilots.

Libs love only the parts that are anti-white, Christian or American.


21 posted on 03/14/2013 5:05:12 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: driftdiver

The Japanese have been one of the most racist races on the planet.

Yes, the Koreans hate them and the Japanese thought the Koreans and Chinese less than human and treated them that way.


22 posted on 03/14/2013 5:47:23 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: the scotsman

The Japanese “scholar” who tries to deny the atrocities committed by the Japanese in Nanking as “Chinese propaganda” has to ignore the hundreds of reports, photos, and even movies recorded and published by western missionaries and diplomats.


23 posted on 03/15/2013 7:26:55 PM PDT by TXnMA (REMEMBER the Alamo! REMEMBER Goliad! REPEAT San Jacinto!!!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks the scotsman. And postwar German schoolbooks’ coverage of The Holocaust used to consist of, “anti-Jewish measures were intensified”.

The extent of the Japanese defeat at Midway wasn’t made public until the mid-1950s.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 2:21:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
Chinese and North Korean atrocities have been more recent.

Yes, you're right... Maybe we've made a deal to let North Korea take out Japan... and this is psyops... or maybe it's just an interesting thread at an unusual time. Wednesday... right?

25 posted on 04/06/2013 3:02:03 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: driftdiver
The Koreans hate em.

Everybody in Asia hates Japan as an entity, though they may have good business or personal relationships with Japanese companies or individuals. If a China-Japan war ever breaks out it doesn't matter what treaties these countries have with the USA - every one of them is going to support China.

My wife's grandmother survived the occupation of Singapore - to this day she hates everything Japanese...except sushi. :)

26 posted on 04/06/2013 3:07:38 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ansel12

From your link - one of my thoughts was ‘girls as young as 13...” - by today’s standards we’d be lucky if our lowlifes only raped girls as young as 13... Thanks for sharing the link...

(December 1937) Known historically as the ‘Rape of Nanking’. In 1937 (the real start of WW11) the Chinese capital had a population of just over one million. On December 13th. the city fell to the invading Japanese troops. For the next six weeks the soldiers indulged in an orgy of indiscriminate killing and rape. They shot at everyone on sight, whether out on the streets or peeking out of windows. The streets were soon littered with corpses, on one street a survivor counted 500 bodies. Girls as young as thirteen, and women of all ages were raped by gangs of 15 or 20 soldiers who roamed the town in search of women. Over a thousand men were rounded up and marched to the banks of the Yangtze river where they were machine-gunned to death. In the following six weeks, the Nanking Red Cross units, buried around 43,000 bodies. About 20,000 women and girls had been raped, many were murdered. Department stores, shops, churches and houses were set on fire while drunken soldiers indulged in wholesale looting and bayoneting of Chinese civilians for sport. In charge of the troops during this time was General Iwane Matsui. At the Tokyo War Crimes Trial, Matsui was found guilty of a war crime unrelated to Nanking and sentenced to death. He was hanged in 1948.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 3:11:27 PM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

I lived in Manila, makati to be precise in the late 60’s. My office was on the top floor of the Sarmiento Building on Ayala ave.

Lower down, Mitsubishi Corp had offices. The boss was an th executive in charge of administering the reparations provided via Mitsubishi

When he got on the elevator, the peope next to the awll literally got crushed as they insured no one had to touch him and recoiled backwards. most would not follow him onto the elevator.


28 posted on 04/06/2013 3:25:20 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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