Skip to comments."The Church universal needs Anglicans" - Pope Francis
Posted on 03/15/2013 5:43:01 AM PDT by haffast
The new Pope has reportedly said the Church universal needs Anglicans and that the Ordinariate is "quite unnecessary".
In a note released after the election of the first ever pontiff from Latin America, the Anglican Bishop of Argentina and former Primate of the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone, the Rt Revd Greg Venables said Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio was "an inspired choice".
"Many are asking me what is really like. He is much more of a Christian, Christ centered and Spirit filled, than a mere churchman. He believes the Bible as it is written.
"I have been with him on many occasions and he always makes me sit next to him and invariably makes me take part and often do what he as Cardinal should have done. He is consistently humble and wise, outstandingly gifted yet a common man. He is no fool and speaks out very quietly yet clearly when necessary."
Bp Venables added that in a conversation with Cardinal Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, the latter made it clear that he values the place of Anglicans in the Church universal.
"He called me to have breakfast with him one morning and told me very clearly that the Ordinariate was quite unnecessary and that the Church needs us as Anglicans.
The former Primate of the Anglican Communion's Iglesia Anglicana del Cono Sur de America added, "I consider this to be an inspired appointment not because he is a close and personal friend, but because of who he is In Christ. Pray for him."
I assume he speaks english however, I have not seen or heard it yet.
If he believes that the world needs Anglicans to be outside of communion with Rome and open to any manner of bizarre moral teachings, rather than retaining the distinct charisms of the British traditions within the Catholic church, the number of heresies implied would be staggering. I can’t help but to think that they are not deliberately twisting his words for their own relevance. And he may provide much fodder for such twisting: his first homily wasn’t merely in the common language (in the unflattering sense of common), but had sentence structures which made it seem entirely off the cuff.
The other possible orthodox interpretation is that he would rather Rome refrain from picking off particular individuals who might otherwise be leaders in a reconciliation, and work, instead, for the simultaneous return of the Anglican communion.
He speaks Italian, Latin, Spanish, and German. If he knows some English, he apparently doesn’t regard himself as fluent at all.
...and we all know how conservative Anglicans are when it comes to following the teachings of the Bible. You can tell a lot about a man when you see who his friends are. This is not reassuring.
Let’s not judge Anglicans worldwide by the corrupted USAmerican version of it...
I don’t know what this is all about but here is one key quote
“It has emerged that Pope Francis has previously spoken out against a scheme instituted by the previous Pope Benedict which allowed disaffected Anglicans to join the Catholic Church, while still retaining elements of Anglicanism.”
“British traditions within the Catholic church”
Do you want that? The catholic church in UK is the COE and started by henry the 8th, not the roman Catholic Church.
Pope Francis did not say this. Cardinal Bergoglio may have said something along those lines. I still haven’t seen a direct quote.
That's why there is a growing population of EX-Anglicans.
As a former "Anglican" (i.e. American Episcopalian) convert to Catholicism, IMO, the Ordinariate was a wonderful thing. Now if we could just get the American RC church to pitch the horrible Oregon Catholic Press hymnody and borrow a new one from the Ordinariate, the Church would be greatly enriched.
What is left of the "Anglican Communion" in North American Britain is circling the drain to hell at an increasing rate. The probability of a wholesale return to sanity is nil, with the AC rapidly becoming the "New Unitarians".
Of course, with Christ, all things are possible.
The High Anglicans (conservative to the core) have been converting to the Catholic Church in droves the past few years. Benedict was the archetect to this. They were sick and tired of the Anglical Church turning liberal.
Yes, and with the Holy Spirit, too. Whatever Cardinal Bergoglio may have said or thought, he is now Pope Francis. God has given him graces of the office of Pope. I believe that he is open to those graces. As St. Pio said, "Pray, be happy, don't worry." Francis needs our prayers.
As poor as the music became in the Catholic Church in America, it is improving. It may take a while to reach every parish, but there is a growing momentum to return to truly sacred music. Check out the Church Music Association of America.
I’m a Catholic, ex-Anglican as well. Not ordinariate though - plain simple NO.
I was delighted to see Benedict’s outreach to the Anglicans.
Given the recent turn of events, I’m inclined to agree with you. However, I have no idea whether the pope made these comments before the election of Eugene Robinson, of Schori, etc.
Well, me too, actually. The 'piskies lost me with women priests, and I was unchurched for many years. My cradle Catholic spouse came through the RC church during the height of "bad catechesis" and started buying books to learn more about "the REAL Catholic Church". My reading addiction (worse than heroin) is such that I ended up reading everything she brought home, and decided that the other bank of the Tiber was where the truth was, and where I had to be.
"I was delighted to see Benedicts outreach to the Anglicans."
The Anglican Ordinariate has much to offer the English-speaking RC church. The "Book of Common Prayer" and the King James Bible have some of the most beautiful English language material ever written. The modern RC version of the 23rd psalm is garbage by comparison, as just one example. ".....verdant pastures...." blyech!
Thanks for the link. Our church still has the OCP stuff, though they did pitch the two OCP supplemental songbooks, so all that remains is the stuff in the "Breaking Bread" missalette.
Our new priest is a former Army and Air Force chaplain, and he is "kicking ass and taking names" a bit compared to the previous priest, who was a nice enough guy, but a bit of a wuss. A lot of the "touchy-feely" stuff has been reigned in. It will be interesting to see how things have been re-worked for Easter and the reception of the next crew of candidates and catechumens.
You are fortunate to have a cradle catholic spouse. I am very envious. Peace + blessings to you!
===== The “Book of Common Prayer” and the King James Bible have some of the most beautiful English language material ever written. The modern RC version of the 23rd psalm is garbage by comparison, as just one example. “.....verdant pastures....” blyech!
It’s an odd choice for a Catholic First Communion gift, perhaps, but I have my great grandfather’s Book of Common Prayer, still bound in a canvas cover which he carried with him throughout WWII in the Pacific and have been holding it for my nephew’s first communion since his dad, like my great-grandfather, was a convert to Catholicism.
Could you please explain the Ordinariate to me?
I haven't studied up on it all that much, but as I understand it, the Ordinariate sets up a structure that groups of Anglicans/Episcopalians can join as whole churches or groups of churches rather than as individuals, and appoints bishops to shepherd those churches.
The groupings are not related to geography (other than at the parish level). Several whole parishes with their priests and deacons have joined communion with Rome, and in at least a couple of cases, I think bishops have come in and brought several churches with them.
I'm sure there are a lot of details and bureaucratic stuff that has to happen, but I think that is the general gist of it.
The ordinariate retains a slightly modified "Book of Common Prayer" (doctrinal errors purged) and Anglican hymnody.
Individual Anglicans still have to go the standard RCIA route. I suspect far more convert that way than via the ordinariate.
Thanks Warthog! Much appreciated. I’m weak on the minutia of rulz as a rule so the gist is exactly what I needed.