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CPAC 2013: Donald Trump: Immigration reform is a ‘suicide mission’ for GOP
Washington Times ^ | March 15, 2013 | Seth McLaughlin

Posted on 03/15/2013 8:16:44 AM PDT by AuntB

Edited on 03/15/2013 8:33:38 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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Is Donald Trump the only speaker at CPAC this year with the NERVE to say this???? Is he the only one who can't be bought off and defies Amnesty loving Al Cardenas of ACU and CPAC organizers Grover Norquist and his pal Karl Rove? He won't be invited back! Their hand picked panel of amnesty supporters is the only voice they wanted on this!
1 posted on 03/15/2013 8:16:44 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Should the GOPe continue to kick these cans down the road, they will die a slow death anyway.


2 posted on 03/15/2013 8:20:32 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: AuntB
I'm actually all for immigration reform*, so long as it isn't "immigration reform"**.

* Reduction of the burearchy.
** Code for amnesty.

3 posted on 03/15/2013 8:23:54 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AuntB

Wow, and I cant throw stones as he is exactly right.


4 posted on 03/15/2013 8:26:45 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: AuntB

Mass immigration from the Third World is not only suicide for the GOP, it’s suicide for America. See any community in America that has converted from a white community to a non-white community and be honest — Did crime rise? Did schools deteriorate?


5 posted on 03/15/2013 8:30:43 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: AuntB
A simple move for the republicans to make would be to add a provision mandating that background checks include cross checking voter registration roles.

We all know this is a democrat voter registration drive and people who have come here illegally and then participated in vote fraud should be given the boot.

6 posted on 03/15/2013 8:31:35 AM PDT by Baynative (Lord, keep your arm around my shoulder and your hand over my mouth.)
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To: sickoflibs; Liz; TADSLOS; All

“Wow, and I cant throw stones as he is exactly right.”

Has anyone at cpac this year said as much?? Palin, Santorum, anyone????

Say what you want about Trump, but he appears to be the only speaker at CPAC this year who hasn’t been bought off by the CPAC/Rove/Norquist/teaparty.net/radical Islam corruption team.

They ALL know these new ‘migrants’ will vote Democrat..NO one is that dumb, so we have to ask, WHAT IS going on here???


7 posted on 03/15/2013 8:34:11 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: All

I excerpted the article as per FR rules, but the mod cut off the most important part of the article anyway.

““The fact is 11 million people will be voting Democratic. You can be out front. You can be the spearhead. You can do whatever you want to do, but everyone of those 11 million people will be voting Democratic,” he said. “It is just the way it works.”

“You have to be very, very careful, because you could say that to a certain extent the odds aren’t looking so great for Republicans, that you are on a suicide mission,” he said. “You are just not going to get those votes.”


8 posted on 03/15/2013 8:35:58 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB; Liz; TADSLOS
RE :”Has anyone at cpac this year said as much?? Palin, Santorum, anyone????
Say what you want about Trump, but he appears to be the only speaker at CPAC this year who hasn’t been bought off by the CPAC/Rove/Norquist/teaparty.net/radical Islam corruption team.
They ALL know these new ‘migrants’ will vote Democrat..NO one is that dumb, so we have to ask, WHAT IS going on here???”

Yes, They will vote Dem unless the GOP out-lefts the Dems and offers them even more free stuff taken from ‘the rich’, and become more socialy liberal. Of course that would backfire too.

(But note at the state level lib/Dem governors in single party states MD and CA raise the sales tax like O Malley and Jerry Brown, so they actually make illegals pay)

Now that Dems know how to mobilize so many hispanics to vote for stuff they ‘offer’ I have to wonder how the GOP can survive as a national party.

9 posted on 03/15/2013 8:42:57 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: AuntB

Does this moron have an off switch?


10 posted on 03/15/2013 8:44:22 AM PDT by Paddyboy (Roma Omnia Vincit)
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To: AuntB

Does this moron have an off switch?


11 posted on 03/15/2013 8:46:10 AM PDT by Paddyboy (Roma Omnia Vincit)
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“...appears to be the only speaker at CPAC this year who hasn’t been bought off ...”

Hard to buy off someone who pretty much can buy whatever he wants already. Money IS power, and it does speak loudly.

He’s just able to say what most people are too afraid to say, because they’re afraid of the “racist” label; he’ll say it because he doesn’t give a crap what people say or think of him.

Personally, there’s nothing “racist” about wanting to protect your own nation, culture, heritage, traditions, and people from being intentionally erased. That’s called Self-Preservation and common sense.

There was a time when people understood that.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 8:46:52 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Paddyboy

“Does this moron have an off switch?”

Shall we assume you disagree with him...that you want 12 million plus more democrat voters??

You could be a big part of the GOP/CPac...or maybe you are already.


13 posted on 03/15/2013 9:02:41 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

This is the data for the small town I grew up in. It now looks like Little Mexico. Everyone is on aid of some kind, high unemployment, and high crime, You can’t trace the crime because it is included in Bakersfield stats but hubby used to work at the fire station there so I know what the stats are. When people asked him what station he worked at his answer was......Lamont- where murder is still a misdemeanor.

http://www.city-data.com/city/Lamont-California.html


14 posted on 03/15/2013 9:12:39 AM PDT by sheana
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To: AuntB

That it is.

The stupid GOP can’t even get the votes of its own base much less anyone else.

But they are going to do it because they are just that damn stupid.


15 posted on 03/15/2013 9:15:57 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: AuntB
We are replacing our culture and society with people who don't know our culture, do not respect it, and want no part of it except the $$$. We have adbidcated our responsibility for the future.

50 million American children have been murdered in the womb and replaced with foreigners.

16 posted on 03/15/2013 9:58:02 AM PDT by GVnana
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To: OneWingedShark

I’m all for reform that allows for achieving legal residency and work permits but not for an accellerated path to citizenship for those that come illegally. There must be a stiff penalty associated with coming illegally. I believe one should have to wait no less than 10 years and be shown to be self sufficient(not dependent on the federal govt for a period of not less than two years) before they can ever apply for citizenship if they come illegally.


17 posted on 03/15/2013 10:51:51 AM PDT by Maelstorm (This country wasn't founded with the battle cry "Give me liberty or give me a govt check!")
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To: AuntB

Yep


18 posted on 03/15/2013 10:52:08 AM PDT by Java4Jay (The evils of government are directly proportional to the tolerance of the people.)
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To: AuntB

AuntB did you not see the speaker lineup @ the Repub Convention in Tampa last year? One keynote speaker was actually an illegal immigrant that became an illegal Governor of NM. The other speakers were only slightly less insulting except for Clint Eastwood who was great!


19 posted on 03/15/2013 11:14:56 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

“One keynote speaker was actually an illegal immigrant that became an illegal Governor of NM”

Are you talking about Susan Martinez???


20 posted on 03/15/2013 11:27:14 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Yes.


21 posted on 03/15/2013 11:33:40 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: iopscusa

You’re going to have to show me how you arrived at the conclusion that Susan Martinez is an illegal alien. You do understand that would mean she had to come here illegally, don’t you? She was born here, as well as her parents.

[snip]Her Mexican-born grandfather was lawfully admitted to the U.S. as a permanent resident in 1918 and became a citizen in 1942.
“Let’s just say they did come here illegally. I don’t see how I am responsible for that,” she said. “I am an American citizen. I am a lawyer. I think it’s important to always understand that we are a nation of laws.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/27/susana-martinez-new-mexico-grandfather-us-citizen_n_1460183.html

PLEASE, please don’t spread false information. All this is hard enough without having to shoot down rumors. Thanks!


22 posted on 03/15/2013 11:40:35 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: All

A note about another entity tied up with teaparty.net, CPAC and Grover Norquist. Dustin Stockton
Co-Founder, Western Representation PAC. This is the guy in charge of teaparty.net on facebook and at CPAC as well .

IT’s another scam, and many of you get fund raising emails from them all the time!

He says: “That’s one reason that events like the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) are so important. “ in his recent fundraising email.

(DO NOT) Donate via PayPal

You can also mail your contributions to:
Western Representation PAC
PO Box 50655
Sparks, NV 89435


Now, I have asked Dustin about his position on Amnesty, since it is a subject NONE of his associated entities will touch. I also asked about his association with Grover Norquist. He claims he ‘doesn’t take orders’ from Grover. But he sure does like him!

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Dustin
[snip]]”From what I can find out about the principal players in TheTeaparty.net and The Tea Party News Network and their political action committee Western Representation PAC, they are TOO closely aligned with Grover Norquist to ever be considered as part of ‘The Tea Party”. Amnesty, which Norquist has always favored, is a subject I cannot find addressed in any of their publications. But, one of their principals, a ‘community organizer’ by the name of Dustin Stockton penned this last year:

“Amidst all the red-meat speeches at CPAC, Grover Norquist’s address stood out for me. Don’t get me wrong: I love to get fired up by a great speaker as much as anyone else , but the real opportunity at gatherings like CPAC is to share strategy and figure out how to win. Grover’s speech had hardly any big applause lines, but for my money, it was one of the most informative speeches at the conference. If you want an overview of the entire American political system, and how conservatives can take it back, in less than half an hour, Grover’s your guy. Do yourself and our movement a favor and take a look. You’re sure to learn a thing or two… I know I did!”


23 posted on 03/15/2013 12:25:05 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: GVnana

When one includes the chain migration that will be a part of any reform Mexico in fact colonizes the US and Americans pay for it all. Maybe 20 to 30 million and their relatives equals half of Mexico. Even if the numbers are lower it is still an unbelievable number that would qualify quickly to forever change this country. Almost everywhere one goes in this country nothing is as it was a few decades ago. Tragic. It’s their time now. Whites and traditional and responsible Americans hide inside and cower while the octopus of corruption, criminality and machismo arrogantly grabs and steals our inheritance deriding us for our weakness and whiteness all the while. I hate to put it in these terms. Even last night at a restaurant employees were openly trashing my friend and I in Spanish for just being white. It’s everyday and everywhere one turns.

Who are the fools? Cause this won’t end well. This issue alone is enough to destroy the country despite the numerous other issues. It makes my blood boil that people can’t or won’t see this threat. I’m a naturalized citizen myself but this is something else.


24 posted on 03/15/2013 12:27:47 PM PDT by Sheapdog (Chew the meat, spit out the bones)
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To: Sheapdog

I don’t blame you. It’s all around us. As a nation we’ve broken our covenant with the future. And we’re going to pay.


25 posted on 03/15/2013 1:18:02 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: AuntB

No I actually used to work for Trump and even if he’s correct on this issue there is no more loathsome, vile human being on the planet IMHO,so I insult him every chance I get


26 posted on 03/15/2013 2:23:42 PM PDT by Paddyboy (Roma Omnia Vincit)
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To: AuntB
Donald Trump said the Republican party will lose elections if it reforms the nation’s entitlement programs and will hand Democrats 11 million votes if Congress grants citizenship to illegal immigrants, likening the reform efforts to a “suicide mission.”

I'm not so much of a Donald Trump fan, but he was right on the phony birth certificate and now once again, on the GOP's death wish to add 11 million 3rd world Hispanic voters (or maybe it is really more like 20 million or more)to the socialist demoRAT party. The GOP will be lucky to win any elections, let alone hold onto the House or retake the Senate & Executive branch.

I think Civil War II is the only way we will ever be able to legitimately reclaim our country, according to the way it is laid out Declaration of Independence when it has now become necessary to "alter or abolish it and to institute new government".

27 posted on 03/15/2013 2:55:03 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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“I think Civil War II is the only way we will ever be able to legitimately reclaim our country, according to the way it is laid out Declaration of Independence when it has now become necessary to “alter or abolish it and to institute new government”.”

I agree with you, but you realize that after a CWII, that not all “the country” would be “reclaimed”?

That, after either an armed conflict or a peaceable separation, there will be at least two, and probably several more, “countries” in the territory that formerly comprised The United States?

Even after such a conflict, there are some areas of the country that won’t be comin’ back...


28 posted on 03/15/2013 5:42:39 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: AuntB

Washington does not care what we think or what we say does not matter.Washington is in sorry state of affairs


29 posted on 03/15/2013 5:58:43 PM PDT by moonshinner_09
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To: Maelstorm
I’m all for reform that allows for achieving legal residency and work permits but not for an accellerated path to citizenship for those that come illegally. There must be a stiff penalty associated with coming illegally. I believe one should have to wait no less than 10 years and be shown to be self sufficient(not dependent on the federal govt for a period of not less than two years) before they can ever apply for citizenship if they come illegally.

You want it [illegal-immigration] to drop-off like it was nothing: make the "mandatory minimum" for being an illegal immigrant to be "involuntary servitude for the greater of one year or the number of years they have been residing here illegally" -- word it so that's the prerequisite for seeking citizenship after being here illegally and watch it all drop off.

30 posted on 03/15/2013 6:05:31 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Paladin2

Trump is right, in the respect that importing 11 million illegal aliens who just want what they can get and have nor respect for our country or its laws is going to kill not only the republican party but most of theses united States as a free country as well.

Trump is wrong in that he pretends that we can somehow stop it. Its too late for that, much if not most of this population is already voting and already turning our elections to democrats.

Washington suffers the insufferable dilution that once they pass a law people will follow it. The fact is only a segment of the population voluntarily follows such a law. the rest disregard the law out of lack of respect or ignorance.

11+ million illegal aliens ARE Here and they ARE voting!

Part of the democrats massive registration efforts are directed towards this population, and they aren’t even close to being honest. Many of theses people do not know they are breaking the law, because democrats told them they weren’t.

The time for decisive action has past about 5 to 10 years ago. As a political force we don’t have the ability to stop this invasion anymore, Not in most states.


31 posted on 03/15/2013 6:09:48 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Monorprise

I agree with your view.
Most are voting already.
Voting Democrat likely 90% plus.


32 posted on 03/15/2013 6:17:41 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: Road Glide

Even after such a conflict, there are some areas of the country that won’t be comin’ back...

I think that unfortunately goes without saying Road Glide, the fact is our reproductive rate has for the last few generations been far too low to even hold on to the land of our forefathers.

While our numbers have remained stagnant the world has grown and the need of our economic industry for people has grown along with that world. Because generations before payed far too little attention to what is biologically the most important part of life, we are now looking at being a minority in our own land.

If the left have their way we will be an oppressed minority. Migration & separation would give us a 2nd chance but only in the part of this land mass that we can still control.

So the question really is between having no home and having a smaller home.


33 posted on 03/15/2013 6:22:32 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Road Glide

I’m ok with 2 countries.... a liberal socialist one - NE states, IL, CA, WA & OR. And the rest for conservative, patriotic Americans. I don’t want to have to suffer & put up with libturds any more. Amazing, that even the hardcore liberals & leftists don’t want this... cause they know that socialism never has worked and never will work. So I would love to see them forced into their own socialist utopia and see what happens. It would look like Detroit, Oakland, Newark, east LA, over their entire country.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 6:22:52 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: AuntB

Governor Sarah Palin speaks later today (Saturday) so she has had no chance to say anything about any issue at CPAC, or weren’t you aware of that?


35 posted on 03/16/2013 3:22:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: rcrngroup
"I think Civil War II is the only way we will ever be able to legitimately reclaim our country,'

What ever happens, which it will, will NOT be a Civil War II. It will be the 2nd Revolution....against a tyrannical government....who wants us unarmed and dead.

36 posted on 03/16/2013 7:40:39 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Governor Sarah Palin speaks later today (Saturday) so she has had no chance to say anything about any issue at CPAC, or weren’t you aware of that?”

I don’t know when she speaks, I don’t follow her around like a puppy dog. You be sure to let me know if she says anything like Trump did, M’kay?


37 posted on 03/16/2013 7:57:27 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Trump is right.


38 posted on 03/16/2013 8:12:23 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Yes, he certainly is. People around here are in full denial mode. Reminds me of the democrats.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2997467/posts


39 posted on 03/16/2013 8:20:10 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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“immigration reform” isn’t needed.

A path to citizenship already exists. If people choose, of their own free will, to live here illegally and they have it rough, it is by their own choice.


40 posted on 03/16/2013 10:17:12 AM PDT by snowstorm12
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To: AuntB

The math is very simple and proven in 2012. 70%+ of Asians and Hispanics voted for Obama and will continue down this road of voting for Democrats who can give give give them free stuffs! Asians and Hispanics are by far 80-90% of today’s immigrants (legal and illegal) and in the last decade there was more Asian immigration than Hispanic which was a shock. Asia means from Korea to Pakistan and south of there


41 posted on 03/16/2013 10:23:26 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: AuntB

I followed President Reagan “like a puppy dog” too and for many of the same reasons. We’re lucky to get one true conservative leader in a generation. If you can’t see that, I pity you.


42 posted on 03/16/2013 12:55:44 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“I followed President Reagan “like a puppy dog” too and for many of the same reasons. We’re lucky to get one true conservative leader in a generation. If you can’t see that, I pity you.”

When Palin disassociates herself from McCain, you let me know. I supported her, but her continued insistance of being in line with McCain’s policies is more than I can stomach.
She LIED..She promised to let you all know by Sept. 2 of 2012 if she was going to run, while you all ran around insisting she would. She did’nt let us know and she didn’t run...are you going to do that again??

And I don’t need your self righteous pity.


43 posted on 03/16/2013 1:03:10 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB; onyx; smoothsailing; Sarah Barracuda; KC_Lion
So if an individual picks you from among 320 million people to be the potential vice president of the United States you would back-stab him two short years later? Thanks for giving us all the insight into your character, inadvertent as it might have been. Google “loyalty” some time.
44 posted on 03/16/2013 1:16:17 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“So if an individual picks you from among 320 million people to be the potential vice president of the United States you would back-stab him two short years later? Thanks for giving us all the insight into your character, inadvertent as it might have been. Google “loyalty” some time. “

Yeah, well, you stick with your ‘loyalty’ to a corrupt man, doing his best to destroy this nation. I’ll chose loyalty to my country.

Google, ‘screw you’, smart mouth, you have no argument, only insults. You’d make McCain proud. Now, leave me alone, I’ve got better things to do than deal with you people who just can’t get it through your heads that these people are POLITICIANS and they LIE.


45 posted on 03/16/2013 1:28:34 PM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

It’s not just the 12 million or so illegals. Once made legal, they’ll be able to take part in chain migration and sponsor millions more.

The net gain for Democrats will be much larger than just the 70+% of legalized illegal aliens who go on to vote. It will be 70+% of the millions of relatives they sponsor and the millions of, children they have. This is why it’s crazy to just focus on illegal immigration as many Republican do, and either imply (or outright say) that they are fine with mass legal immigration. Legal immigration is already helping to turn the country to the Democrats.

So while stopping amnesty is a necessity, so to is reducing legal immigration.


46 posted on 03/16/2013 10:55:17 PM PDT by Aetius
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To: AuntB

You know things are bad when Donald Trump sounds like one of the most conservative guys at CPAC....


47 posted on 03/17/2013 9:32:55 AM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Maelstorm

“I’m all for reform that allows for achieving legal residency and work permits but not for an accelerated path to citizenship for those that come illegally.”

That’s a sucker’s bet. Just like the 1986 Amnesty that was supposed to be followed by strict enforcement of our immigration laws, and to never be followed by another amnesty.

Democrat politicians, supported by the treason wing of the GOP, will gut any attempt to limit the benefits given to amnestied illegals. And if they don’t do it the courts will.


48 posted on 03/17/2013 9:42:22 AM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, for amnesty, Spanish, and the Karl Rove machine.)
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To: Sheapdog

well said.


49 posted on 03/17/2013 9:44:55 AM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, for amnesty, Spanish, and the Karl Rove machine.)
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To: Aetius

“So while stopping amnesty is a necessity, so to is reducing legal immigration.”

You’re right. But since The Stupid Party can’t even figure out that illegal aliens are making it a permanent minority party there’s no chance that the dimwits of the GOP elite will ever slow down the legal immigration from the 3rd world that is having the same effect.

Too many in the GOP are terrified of taking any position that defends the historic American people if it goes against political correctness. And reducing legal immigration from the 3rd world is one of those issues.

So we might well be living at the tail end of American history. The forces that are ending it are already in motion and our rulers aren’t going to left a finger to stop the process. It’s like living in Rome circa AD 400.


50 posted on 03/17/2013 10:00:20 AM PDT by Pelham (Marco Rubio, for amnesty, Spanish, and the Karl Rove machine.)
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