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Is capitalism moral?
WaPo Opinions ^ | 3-15-2013 | Steven Pearlstein

Posted on 03/16/2013 6:26:19 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot

Careening from debt-ceiling crisis to sequestration to a looming government shutdown, the nation is caught up in a historic debate over the proper size and role of government.

That’s certainly one way to think about it. Another is that we are caught up in a historic debate over free-market capitalism. After all, if markets were making most of us better off, regulating their own excesses, guaranteeing equal opportunity and fairly dividing the economic pie, then we wouldn’t need government to take on all the things it does.

For most of the past 30 years, the world has been moving in the direction of markets. The grand experiment with communism has been thoroughly discredited, a billion people have been lifted from poverty through free-market competition, and even European socialists have given up on state ownership and the nanny state.

Here at home, large swaths of the economy have been deregulated, and tax rates have been cut. A good portion of what is left of government has been outsourced, while even education is moving toward school choice. In embracing welfare reform, Americans have acknowledged that numerous programs meant to lift up the poor instead trapped them in permanent dependency and poverty.

But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements. These realities are forcing free-market advocates and their allies in the Republican Party to pursue a new strategy. Instead of arguing that free markets are good for you, they’re saying that they’re good — mounting a moral defense of free-market capitalism.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


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Note: Steven Pearlstein is a Washington Post business and economics columnist and a professor of public and international affairs at George Mason University.

A long philosophical rambling. (more excerpt from author)

The traditional liberal defense of redistribution, of course, is that a lot of what passes for economic success derives not only from hard work or ingenuity but also from good fortune — the good fortune to be born with the right genes and to the right parents, to grow up in the right community, to attend the right schools, to meet and be helped by the right people, or simply to be at the right place at the right time. A market system should reward virtue, they argue, not dumb luck.

So this is the basis we should now 'regulate good genes and equalize opportunities'?

1 posted on 03/16/2013 6:26:20 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot
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To: Sir Napsalot

A truly free market is the greatest social equalizer ever devised by man.


2 posted on 03/16/2013 6:29:03 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is socialism moral? No, Socialism is evil.

Totalitarianism in all it’s forms is Evil. (Socialism, Progressivism, Marxism, Communism, Fascism and Dictatorships)


3 posted on 03/16/2013 6:30:00 AM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yes.

Jesus/God isn’t a Marxist, but believes in the ‘worker’. His earthly father was a carpenter who trained his Heavenly Son in that trade.

The people who habituated the Holy Land didn’t lay back on their backsides and wait for a handout from Caesar; rather they worked for their daily bread.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 6:33:19 AM PDT by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

What an amazing article! Government is being downsized and contracted out and all our ills are because there aren’t enough constraints on Capitalism. Wow! Stunning in its utter stupidity but certain to be accepted as fact by readers of that rag.


5 posted on 03/16/2013 6:33:35 AM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Another gem: A paper by economists Peter Diamond of MIT and Emmanuel Saez of the University of California at Berkeley now making the rounds in the liberal blogosphere claims to show that the optimal level of marginal taxation of the rich is 73 percent. By “optimal,” Diamond and Saez have in mind a narrow definition: maximizing government revenue.

France tried that just now (73% optimal on the rich), shouldn't we and the two geniuses from MIT and Berkeley ask if the French government really maximized their revenue?

6 posted on 03/16/2013 6:36:31 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

We have socialism under the present Administration, and it’s not going to work.


7 posted on 03/16/2013 6:36:45 AM PDT by popdonnelly (The right to self-defense is older than the Constitution.)
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To: saganite

>>> What an amazing article!

I agree.


8 posted on 03/16/2013 6:39:29 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Capitalism pulled more people out of poverty than any other idea or system ever created in human history. I don’t know how anyone can say it isn’t moral. Look at the individual standard of living in 1750 compared to 1900. It increased in countries with capitalism exponentially. How is that not moral?


9 posted on 03/16/2013 6:40:12 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Sir Napsalot
morality has as much to do with capitalism, as it does with arithmetic... NOTHING!!!
10 posted on 03/16/2013 6:40:29 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Sir Napsalot

GOP blind trust in corporations failed, and Dem blind trust in big gov failed, there is a third way, and it is Main Street First. GOP support of free trade impoverished the middle class. Dem support for green energy impoverished the middle class. GOP blind trust of Wall Street bankers resulted in toxic liar loans forcing the Fed Reserve to drop interest rates to the point savers are punished impoverished the middle class. Dem policy of high taxes impoverished the middle class. The lessons of the last 50 years finally has come to home to roost. Capitalism and free markets will work if we have moral people at the helm of big business. Since that is not possible, we do not need more regulations but more monitoring by gov to make sure businessmen do not cheat the people and use their huge wealth to corrupt gov officials. Dem support of more regs, more fees, more taxes hurt Main Street business more before it ever impact large corporations. In fact big corporations do not mind some cumbersome regs because it kills off the small and upcoming companies that may compete with them in the future. What also is needed is simplicity. Limit the size of banks and corporations, and limit the tools they use to manipulate finances. Gov should force corporations to keep their operations simple so they cannot use complexity to camouflage fraudulent schemes. Hold CEO and CFO personally liable for corporate malfeasance with huge wealth destructive fines (fines based on percentage of wealth vs a set sum).


11 posted on 03/16/2013 6:42:20 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Sir Napsalot

The Puritan ethic was if yo don’t work you don’t eat.

Liberalism is in no way moral. Killing 5,000 babies a year is not moral. Telling everyone what they approve every level of life is horrible. Business runs best when government keeps its nose out of business. The last 100 years have been a down hill ride under the thumb of the liberal/progressive theocracy.


12 posted on 03/16/2013 6:44:19 AM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Functioning markets are based on two pillars. 1, Greed, and 2. Risk. They must equally support the functioning of the market. Capitalism ie private ownership of capital and the means of production, is the foundation that the pillars sit upon. IMHO we do not have functioning markets because the government instead of regulation that ensure greed and risk are the same for all players in the market, it strives to equalize outcomes for all, by subsiding risk hence allowing greed to go unchecked. The very antithesis of functional markets. The question "is capitalism moral" is a red herring in my view. The moral question is does our capitalism protect property rights and ALL players in the market? The answer right now is hard to tell. But not looking good.
13 posted on 03/16/2013 6:51:07 AM PDT by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Parts of the civil rights amendment have been extremely damaging to the free market and given government a foot inside the door of all of them.

If a businessman doesn’t want to cater to blacks, whites, Christians, Jews, Muslims or whatever, I have zero problem with it. I can go to a business that doesn’t discriminate against me and others can choose where they want to do business as well.


14 posted on 03/16/2013 7:00:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Yes. Capitalism is God’s plan. Crony Capitalism is from Hell.

People need to understand the difference between the two.

Obama’s government- and marxisim IS crony Capitalism.


15 posted on 03/16/2013 7:03:36 AM PDT by Truth2012
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To: Fee
Capitalism and free markets will work if we have moral people at the helm of big business. Since that is not possible, we do not need more regulations but more monitoring by gov to make sure businessmen do not cheat the people and use their huge wealth to corrupt gov official

"...more monitoring by gov..... corrupt gov ..." Do you realize what you are asking for is impossible? The correct response to corruption is to reduce or remove the corrupting influence, in this case the government, specifically the Fed, since they are the root cause of most finance market corruption. Do not expect government to solve problems caused by government in the first place.

16 posted on 03/16/2013 7:04:10 AM PDT by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: Fee
GOP blind trust in corporations failed, and Dem blind trust in big gov failed, there is a third way, and it is Main Street First. GOP support of free trade impoverished the middle class. Dem support for green energy impoverished the middle class. GOP blind trust of Wall Street bankers resulted in toxic liar loans forcing the Fed Reserve to drop interest rates to the point savers are punished impoverished the middle class. Dem policy of high taxes impoverished the middle class. The lessons of the last 50 years finally has come to home to roost. Capitalism and free markets will work if we have moral people at the helm of big business. Since that is not possible, we do not need more regulations but more monitoring by gov to make sure businessmen do not cheat the people and use their huge wealth to corrupt gov officials. Dem support of more regs, more fees, more taxes hurt Main Street business more before it ever impact large corporations. In fact big corporations do not mind some cumbersome regs because it kills off the small and upcoming companies that may compete with them in the future. What also is needed is simplicity. Limit the size of banks and corporations, and limit the tools they use to manipulate finances. Gov should force corporations to keep their operations simple so they cannot use complexity to camouflage fraudulent schemes. Hold CEO and CFO personally liable for corporate malfeasance with huge wealth destructive fines (fines based on percentage of wealth vs a set sum).

Where to start?

Well firstly, the Middle Class in this country is not "impoverished". Could things be better? Of course. But declaring that large swath of the population "impoverished" is just nonsense.

"GOP support for Free Trade impoverished the Middle Class." I don't think so. You can argue until you are blue in the face that the jobs lost to Free Trade are not balanced by the inexpensive goods we purchase at Walmart and you will not convince me. Tariffs have never worked. Government setting prices doesn't work. Free Trade works. The pie is not a fixed size. It grows with Free Trade. Limiting Free Trade just limits the size of the pie.

"GOP blind trust of Wall Street bankers resulted in toxic liar loans ...". Tell that to Chris Dodd, Bill Clinton and Barney Frank. They are the deserving Triad.

I could go on but ...

17 posted on 03/16/2013 7:05:01 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Truth2012

Plenty of crony capitalism on the republican side as well. They just slather lipstick on the pig and call it “Public private partnership”


18 posted on 03/16/2013 7:08:50 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Sir Napsalot
But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements

It's called Obamanomics....and Obama will get a second Nobel prize.

Note: Islamics and communists unite to cut off Adam Smith'e invisible hand

19 posted on 03/16/2013 7:09:26 AM PDT by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Is the state of freedom more moral than slavery?

Markets are what naturally develop when people are free.

By all means let’s debate this.


20 posted on 03/16/2013 7:14:22 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Sir Napsalot
But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements.

Not one of those effects have free market economics as their cause.

21 posted on 03/16/2013 7:21:09 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard
I agree with you; however, I would like to quote an opinion on capitalism by the worlds greatest intellectual:

"Many have argued that capitalism does not offer a satisfactory moral message. But that is like saying that calculus does not contain carbohydrates, amino acids, or other essential nutrients. Everything fails by irrelevant standards. Yet no one regards this as making calculus invalid or illegitimate. Once again, the selective application of arbitrary standards is invoked only when it promotes the vision of the anointed1."

1 "The Vision of the Anointed" by Thomas Sowell
pp 207

22 posted on 03/16/2013 7:31:28 AM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Sir Napsalot

We are in the dawn of a BRAVE NEW WORLD under this buffoonish clown currently sleeping in the WH.


23 posted on 03/16/2013 7:42:47 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Here at home, large swaths of the economy have been deregulated, and tax rates have been cut.

What utter and complete bullshat. A government that keeps adding 8% to it's own budget annually (despite declining revenue), combined with OVER REGULATION of businesses cannot sustain itself. It's just a matter of time.

Our government now only exists to feed itself. The majority of federal employes are enemies of the American citizen.

24 posted on 03/16/2013 7:44:17 AM PDT by Toadman (To anger a Conservative, tell a lie. To anger a liberal, tell the truth.)
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To: Fee
"midde class..impoverished"

Show me the evidence. You've made a lot of blanket statements without corroboration. Simply stating that because some bankers are crooks we should overhaul the whole system is ridiculous.

25 posted on 03/16/2013 7:47:40 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: Sir Napsalot

Global “capitalism” is a sick puppy. It is corrupted and bent out of shape by the elite and sick governments of the globe. There is no “American” capitalism in today’s capitalism and that is why small business and the middle class in America is contracting.


26 posted on 03/16/2013 7:52:51 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Sir Napsalot

Capitalism fails to the degree it is trammeled by regulation and manipulation. It certainly defies logic to argue that communism — which is nothing BUT regulation of markets — succeeds in discharging any of the inequities of capitalism. So while capitalism is not perfect, it at least allows its members to seek their own level. Communism arrogantly equates uniformity with equality and forces all its citizens onto the Procrustean bed of collectivism.


27 posted on 03/16/2013 8:21:06 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Capitalism IS a moral economic philosophy when practiced by moral people. What it termed "capitalism" as practiced by criminals is anything BUT capitalism. I keep hearing, over and over again, attacks on "American capitalism," but for the most part, capitalism hasn't been practiced in the US for a very long time, in particular in any industry which is regulated by the government.

Simply put, capitalism is a system where a person owns "the fruit of their labors," where individualism and independence are not just tolerated, but lauded.

So this is the basis we should now 'regulate good genes and equalize opportunities'?

Since a government can do NOTHING to improve someones' genes or parentage, the only way to "equalize" things is to make conditions worse for everyone.

Mark

28 posted on 03/16/2013 8:23:36 AM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Free markets, where supply and demand are allowed to set the price of a good or service, is moral. Capitalism is a brutal way to make sure free markets exits and vice versa. There are huge penalties for poor investing. Working your way up, starting with nothing is brutal. I did it. As harsh as it is there is no better system.

As for our present predicament, acquiring capitol is still a good thing but difficult to do in a semi socialist society like we have.

29 posted on 03/16/2013 8:28:55 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

“But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements. “

Author shows his left wing bias here. All of those things were in fact caused by government meddling in the market.

Real free market capitalism is by far the best way to have a vibrant powerful economy that benefits the whole society. It’s also true that some will have more than others and that is what the leftists hate. Despite all the lefts screaming otherwise it is true that some people are smarter than others, some people are more creative than others, and some people just work harder, and smarter, than others.


30 posted on 03/16/2013 8:36:12 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Capitalism is moral.

It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the INDIVIDUAL to take charge of their own life. it is the RESPONSIBILITY of the INDIVIDUAL to attend to those basic three needs: shelter, clothing, and food.

There is NO governmental idiot, nor egghead professor, that can more clearly see, than the INDIVIDUAL, at their own level in life, what is the severity of those three needs.

The governmental idiot already has their needs addressed through the function of government, which is NOT at the same level as the individual, because THERE IS NO INDIVIDUAL - THEY ARE ALL PART OF THE ENTITY CALLED GOVERNMENT.

The egghead professor cannot see at the level of the individual, because he has become blinded by the masses that have poured through his environment, which he has consistently pigeonholed into successful or non-successful STUDENTS, who by that very name and definition, are not yet able to fend for themselves without his mentoring, teachings, and guidance. An individual separate from his continuous input, is part of a world in which he no longer interacts, nor has communication, by choice, preferring other intelligentsia as his counterparts.


31 posted on 03/16/2013 8:45:53 AM PDT by Terry L Smith
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To: Mr. Jeeves
But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements.

Every single issue the result of government overreach, leftist-inspired class warfare, failed wealth redistribution policies, failing schools, ridiculous immigration laws and morally-bankrupting lifetime welfare.
32 posted on 03/16/2013 8:46:43 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Sir Napsalot

‘But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets: stagnant incomes, gaping inequality, a string of crippling financial crises and 20-somethings still living in their parents’ basements.’

No, that has nothing to do with ‘free markets’: it is simply evidence that government meddlers can’t stand to see anyone truly free.

And, by the way, it’s properly labeled ‘state socialism’ NOT capitalism.


33 posted on 03/16/2013 8:48:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Sir Napsalot
Instead of arguing that free markets are good for you, they’re saying that they’re good — mounting a moral defense of free-market capitalism.

free market capitalism is morally good because it is the economic system that is compatible with:
1) God-given natural rights
2) God-given human nature
3) God-given Biblical concept of justice

34 posted on 03/16/2013 9:29:54 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Sir Napsalot

Capitalism/Free Markets = Equal Opportunity...for ALL!


35 posted on 03/16/2013 9:31:22 AM PDT by Jane Long ("If there's no debt crisis, why does the pResident want to raise taxes?" - TGO)
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To: Sir Napsalot

The problem is not capitalism per se, it is a combination of other things, such as:

1) Bad government tax and financial policies that discourage productive investments in things like R&D, and encourage investment in things approaching dishonest gambling in market extrapolations like derivatives. Often this is done by blithely ignoring the Laffer curve

2) The willingness of nations and corporations to exploit other nations with dictators, giving them huge bribes in exchange for looting their nation’s resources and potential for prosperity.

3) The over-reliance of government using short-term macroeconomic ideas like “productivity” to imagine national prosperity. A company that outsources for $100m more profit may end up costing its home country half a billion dollars in lost prosperity. Likewise, government can be blamed for this by creating a hostile business environment.

4) Despite the insistence of some, like the CATO Institute, that monopolies cannot evolve or exist any length of time without government support, the truth is that anti-monopoly and anti-oligopoly regulation are of immense economic help to a country across the board.

Some still bemoan the bust up of AT&T, but without it, most of our Internet, cable and communications technology would not exist today. Standardized inefficiency is still inefficient.


36 posted on 03/16/2013 9:40:54 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Sir Napsalot
A paper by economists Peter Diamond of MIT and Emmanuel Saez of the University of California at Berkeley...

I've not heard of Diamond, but I have heard of Saez. Every few years he trots out bogus studies that twist statistics as far as he can twist them to "prove" income inequality or stagnation or any other BS the left is trying to pedal.

Thomas Sowell's book "Economic Facts and Fallacies" relies heavily on Alan Reynolds book "Income and Wealth". The Reynolds book takes apart the reports generated by Saez (often with Thomas Piketty) and show that they are flat out lies in some cases and at the very least extreme distortions of fact.

ANY study that has Saez's name on it is pure BS.

37 posted on 03/16/2013 9:41:02 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Sir Napsalot
From the article: "But more recently, we’ve seen another side of free markets:"

Only liberals would support cutting off the legs of an athlete and then blaming him because he can't run fast.

38 posted on 03/16/2013 9:43:31 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Sir Napsalot
Capitalism is moral.

It's isn't the whole of morality, though.

That may be where Ayn Rand went wrong.

39 posted on 03/16/2013 9:43:43 AM PDT by x
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To: Truth2012
Yes. Capitalism is God’s plan. Crony Capitalism is from Hell.

People need to understand the difference between the two.

"Capitalism" is a pejorative meant to reduce "free market trade" to a discussion of who has what. We need to stop calling the free market "capitalism".

40 posted on 03/16/2013 9:49:12 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: cripplecreek
A truly free market is the greatest social equalizer ever devised by man.

It's not hard to grasp, is it? You don't work, you starve and die. You don't save for your future, you face bleak prospects.

41 posted on 03/16/2013 9:50:38 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sir Napsalot

Capitalism - Oingo Boingo

There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism
There’s nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don’t try to make me feel guilty
I’m so tired of hearing you cry

There’s nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I’ll say it’s just fine
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I’m so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin’ down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!

If it ain’t one thing
Then it’s the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone’s brother
I’ve got to tell you you’re a pain in the ass

You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you

You’re just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we’ve got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .

(Repeat first verse)

(Repeat chorus)

There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism
There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism
There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism
There’s nothing wrong with Capitalism


42 posted on 03/16/2013 9:51:33 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: InterceptPoint; Fee

Thank you for a good start to refuting this pile. Fee clearly doesn’t understand how free markets work.


43 posted on 03/16/2013 9:52:27 AM PDT by r-q-tek86 ("It doesn't matter how smart you are if you don't stop and think" - Dr. Sowell)
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To: Chode
morality has as much to do with capitalism, as it does with arithmetic... NOTHING!!!

You need to rethink this. In a free society, you must be secure in your person and property. You create your own wealth and property through your own industry and hard work..others are not allowed to steal it from you. At its very heart, capitalism is a moral endeavor.

44 posted on 03/16/2013 9:54:10 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sir Napsalot

Did the author get paid to write this, or did he do it for free?


45 posted on 03/16/2013 9:57:26 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Sir Napsalot
The seeds of this moral defense of free markets were planted by John Locke, Adam Smith and Ludwig von Mises

Actually the seeds were planted by the Spanish Neo-Scholastics and picked up John Locke and Adam Smith. Adam Smith actually only gave us a somewhat fractured version of true economic thought.
"Redeeming Economics: Rediscovering the Missing Element" by John D. Mueller

Nonetheless, when Karl Marx began doing research for his opus, "Das Capital," he spent hours upon hours in London libraries going over the works of Adam Smith primarily to find out how to smash capitalism.

Our Founders put everything into the free market, including religion. Everything was given a chance to succeed or fail based upon its own merits.

The federal government has its grubby hands on the neck of America trying to fulfill the "subjectives" of Karl Marx.

46 posted on 03/16/2013 10:20:00 AM PDT by Slyfox (The Key to Marxism is Medicine ~ Vladimir Lenin)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
theft is a criminal issue, right and wrong not withstanding...

when communists speak of morality and capitalism in the same sentence it's the word they use to abuse capitalists by telling them they have to much of something/wealth and they need to share it with those to lazy to get it for themselves

communists have no morals they just try to make those that do feel guilty for no reason about what ever they are ranting about at the moment...

47 posted on 03/16/2013 11:24:12 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Sir Napsalot
So this is the basis we should now 'regulate good genes and equalize opportunities'?

We should license copulation so that only good genes get created in good places. Super race done right, the Bolshecrat way.

48 posted on 03/16/2013 11:30:00 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Fee

pretty much agree with you and yours will be the most intelligent post on this thread. To me the cruelest joke is the boosterism for entrepreneurs. These days entrepreneurism means 5,000 bodegas in NYC cheating on taxes instead of only 1000. Many foreign born entrepreneurs get huge advantages from cheating on taxes and hiring illegals. How many ethnic restaurants does America need? How many sushi and Thai restaurants?

If you have a real entrepreneur who is inventing and/or striking out in a new field then I salute him. But at this point when entrepreneur A gets clever and increases his business he can only do it by taking businesses from entrepreneur B and C in the same line of work. Why? Because today’s economic pie is static or shrinking (thanks for nuttin’ 0bama!)


49 posted on 03/16/2013 11:38:41 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: cripplecreek

Well, I agree.. since Obama’s government includes the GOP sell outs.


50 posted on 03/16/2013 1:04:42 PM PDT by Truth2012
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