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Massive Ships 12-Miles Offshore to Provide Floating City for Entrepreneurial Start-Ups;
Townhall.com ^ | March 16, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 03/16/2013 9:40:30 AM PDT by Kaslin

A company named Blueseed is a year away from offering entrepreneurs an inexpensive place, near Silicon Valley, in which to develop their products.

"Blueseed will station a ship 12 nautical miles from the coast of San Francisco, in international waters. The location will allow startup entrepreneurs from anywhere in the world to start or grow their company near Silicon Valley, without the need for a U.S. work visa. The ship will be converted into a coworking and co-living space, and will have high-speed Internet access and daily transportation to the mainland via ferry boat. So far, over 1000 entrepreneurs from 60+ countries expressed interest in living on the ship."

Here is a sampling of images from their page of Concept Vessels.







Who's Going to Blueseed?

Blueseed will be welcoming 1171 entrepreneurs from 368 startups in 66 countries.



Motivation Factor

Motivation for Coming to Blueseed Not important Somewhat important Important Very important Critical
An alternative to having to get US work visas for myself or other company founders 25.80% 14.60% 16.80% 19.20% 23.60%
An alternative to having to get US work visas for my employees 27.70% 20.30% 21.20% 18.10% 12.60%
Streamlined legal and regulatory environment made with low overhead in mind 7.10% 11.00% 27.50% 29.10% 25.30%
Ease of finding talent 6.30% 14.30% 22.80% 29.70% 26.90%
Proximity to Silicon Valley's investors 3.30% 9.10% 19.80% 31.00% 36.80%
Living and working in an awesome startup- and technology- oriented space 0.30% 2.70% 10.40% 31.60% 54.90%
Coolness factor / fame / getting press 12.60% 15.40% 23.90% 22.30% 25.8


This is exceptionally cool stuff. Floating offshore hospitals and schools cannot be far off. I wish Blueseed well.


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1 posted on 03/16/2013 9:40:30 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Soon, soon, they should be able to buy the entire Carnival cruise ship inventory for a song...


2 posted on 03/16/2013 9:45:06 AM PDT by null and void (Gun confiscation enables tyranny. Don't enable tyranny.)
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To: Kaslin

What could possibly go wrong?


3 posted on 03/16/2013 9:47:22 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: null and void

I could see this as the place to go to get away from government nanny states.


4 posted on 03/16/2013 9:47:52 AM PDT by WVNan
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To: Kaslin

Who do they pay taxes to?


5 posted on 03/16/2013 9:48:06 AM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: Kaslin

I can see this being attractive to the overtaxed citizens of California, too.


6 posted on 03/16/2013 9:49:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kaslin

Capitalism at it’s best! Instead of the government controlling skilled immigrants, let free market capitalism operate freely.


7 posted on 03/16/2013 9:51:00 AM PDT by entropy12 (The republic is doomed cuz people have figured out they can get free stuff by voting democrats)
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To: Kaslin

can you buy an oversized soda on board?


8 posted on 03/16/2013 9:51:15 AM PDT by GotMojo
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To: Kaslin

Oh golly-gosh-wow! Cant wait to invest in this, sure it will be a huge money-maker! /s


9 posted on 03/16/2013 9:52:40 AM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: entropy12

bttt


10 posted on 03/16/2013 9:56:12 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Kaslin
One of these to be at every work station:


11 posted on 03/16/2013 9:56:13 AM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Kaslin

There is good money in proposing mega-projects unlikely to come about. Not in making them happen (unless from some fluke they do), just in proposing them.


12 posted on 03/16/2013 9:57:20 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (3% of the population perpetrates >50% of homicides...but gun control advocates blame metal boxes.)
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To: Kaslin

Project Venus and going Galt are now underway...where do I get aboard?


13 posted on 03/16/2013 10:01:35 AM PDT by BCW (http://babylonscovertwar.com/index.html)
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To: ctdonath2

I think the idea of buying Belle Isle and making it a tax free territory was a more feasible idea that would produce tax revenue by virtue of having offices onshore in both Canada and the USA.


14 posted on 03/16/2013 10:02:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Folks, if you think this is good, you’ve not thought the whole thing through (putting it kindly).

Ownership is the key to control.

Going on the ship as an employee or a contractor does not make you a small business entrepreneur, making your own software and selling it. Going on that ship simply makes you cheap labor.

Owning the ship, or hiring the contractors (cheaply) makes you the owner of an enterprise that is neatly evading the US legal framework by sitting 12 miles offshore.

I am amazed at how so many Americans are getting ripped by big business and don’t know it - or won’t admit it.

The tax code, written by big business for big business, makes the small business pay huge taxes and lets big business skate free. Just as important is the risk quagmire of employment law and regulation; it takes a far smaller percent of revenue to deal with it for big business than it does small business.


15 posted on 03/16/2013 10:03:34 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: cripplecreek

RE Belle Isle. You want to STEAL this jewel from the people of Detroit! Are you a racist?


16 posted on 03/16/2013 10:06:22 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: Kaslin

I suspect that one of the main motivations for a company is to have their employees “always on the job”. It really isn’t much different from large corporate campuses all over the world - except with a shorter commute to the desk.


17 posted on 03/16/2013 10:07:37 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: Former Proud Canadian

The guy proposing it even planned on having it open to the public during the day so they could visit the restored amusement park and zoo.


18 posted on 03/16/2013 10:10:18 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: 45semi

Here’s my prediction. Within twelve months after it’s proven a success...another six ships are planned. Someone puts one off the coast of New York City by twenty miles. Another one gets anchored off the coast of Miami, with Cuban employees performing various medical procedures for a quarter of what it cost in the states.

The US won’t be able to control them or tax them.


19 posted on 03/16/2013 10:15:14 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice
Here’s my prediction. Within twelve months after it’s proven a success...another six ships are planned. Someone puts one off the coast of New York City by twenty miles. Another one gets anchored off the coast of Miami, with Cuban employees performing various medical procedures for a quarter of what it cost in the states. The US won’t be able to control them or tax them.

No offense, but nonsense. The United States is no longer in the business of following laws or even it's own Constitution.

20 posted on 03/16/2013 10:18:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Republicans have the same policies as the Democrats, except for the part where they win elections.)
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To: Kaslin

Wow, this is an excellent idea! Unfortunately, you KNOW the whore Democrat politicians are going to come up with a way to extort taxes, graft, bribes, “campaign loot”, etc. from these “start-ups” no matter how far out at sea they go.


21 posted on 03/16/2013 10:18:43 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kaslin

I get the feeling these folks will not be allowing any illegal aliens to sneak on board and laws will be enforced.


22 posted on 03/16/2013 10:22:19 AM PDT by soycd
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To: Kaslin
Blueseed’s major stumbling block is the California Coastal Commission, which so far as I can tell, they haven't even begun bribing, err, I mean, speaking with. Also Blueseed appears to have yet purchased a single keel - no ferry, no platform, which really means, no project.

In digging through various forums, it appears they've started the process of examining options for mooring and microwave internet links, but it's at the stage which an individual might make inquiries, not a company seeking and implementing solutions for a project that is supposed to be in the water in a year.

The 12 NM limit will evade a whole lot of US paperwork and regulation, but it is still within the 200 NM limit of regulation regarding the environment, which means full authority of the Coastal Commission and US environmental, health and safety regulations. Beyond, in making a stationary structure (which is what a permanently moored ship would be under international law), at any moment the US government has full authority to nationalize the structure.

As for their future? The only way I see them meeting their goal of 1Q 2014 startup is through the immediate purchase of keels, an immediate start to the bribery, err, negotiations with the California Coastal Commission, and the purchase of an existing ferry company. Simply purchasing craft to act as ferries would be a foolish act, as obtaining permission to act as a large capacity commercial ferry in California is a nightmare. Only through the purchase of an existing company could they sidestep the two plus year obstacle course.

How to check up on Blueseed’s real progress? Simply watch the agenda of the California Coastal Commission. They'll need permission for an ocean going commercial ferry service, a generation permit for their power plants, submit and get approved their waste water plan, permission for installation of a permanent mooring station (like the commission just refused the US Navy), and permission for stationing a permanent structure in California coastal waters.

This for a commission which has constantly refused to approve any living accommodation offshore, conversion of cargo ships and cruise ships into apartment rentals, or the installation of virtually any permanent structure. Without extensive bribery, err, conversations on the topic, I don't see Blueseed ever getting into the water.

23 posted on 03/16/2013 10:24:48 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: null and void

Wait until the toilets start backing up.


24 posted on 03/16/2013 10:30:39 AM PDT by Dawggie
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To: kingu

I don’t think it will fly off the California coast for the reasons you point out. It may be more legally possible off the coast of another state, such as North Carolina... but then they would have hurricanes.


25 posted on 03/16/2013 10:32:07 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: Kaslin

While 12 miles offshore is in international waters they are 188 miles inside of the exclusive economic zone. The US would require them to pay all taxes and follow all regulations so what is the point?


26 posted on 03/16/2013 10:33:13 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Kaslin
I expect a near constant harrassment of the ship by the DEA, Coast Guard, DHS, EPA and a thousand other biting flies from the government looking deep into the laws, regulations and handwritten post-it notes.

And just imagine if they start doing surgery on it to avoid Obamacare.

27 posted on 03/16/2013 10:36:22 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Earl Warren gained his fame by cracking down on gambling cruisers in the late 1930’s, which were situated just offshore of California for the same reasons proposed for this ship.


28 posted on 03/16/2013 10:47:58 AM PDT by research99
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To: Kaslin

Well...I used to work on ships for months at a time. That graphic they show, for some unknown reason /s, shows the ship lying in flat, calm waters of a bay or nice little harbor. ‘Moored’ would not describe it well - perhaps ‘floored’ by rollers (big rolling pin type waves) out there. Oil platforms are far more stable. I hope ‘investors’ know what they are getting into. Have them try living on a ship ‘moored’ 12 miles out...


29 posted on 03/16/2013 10:49:40 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: null and void

You couldn’t get me on a Carnival cruise ship


30 posted on 03/16/2013 10:56:33 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: KarlInOhio

Don’t rule out subtle hints from dear leader(s) that at least one attack sub will be constantly around unless tribute is paid and if not ships will sink.


31 posted on 03/16/2013 11:06:54 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Actually, I don’t think you get it. This is a floating office building that rents space outside of the US. The owner of the boat doesn’t own any of the businesses therein.


32 posted on 03/16/2013 11:37:36 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: wally_bert
Dat's a nice boat ya got dere.

Be a shame if sump'n was to happ'n to it...

33 posted on 03/16/2013 11:40:04 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: pepsionice

Who protects them from pirates?


34 posted on 03/16/2013 11:41:59 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: wally_bert

Gotta love how all those 20-somethings think that in the future, everyone will just sit in their underwear, push a few buttons on their computers, and get rich. You see this happen all the time on TV, when the reality of this is closer to the chances of becoming an NBA star.

This is the economic equivalent of everyone taking in everyone else’s laundry.

I really, really do like the idea of a floating, cut-rate hospital outside US waters, though. I’d invest in that!


35 posted on 03/16/2013 11:43:22 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: PieterCasparzen

Folks, if you think this is good, you’ve not thought the whole thing through (putting it kindly).....

That’s true. My question is, “Do they plan on becoming a citizen of that ship?” If they don’t want to support the U.S. with there time, physical presence, and tax dollars, they may as well be a citizen of someplace else. I’m not saying that I like taxes. I don’t. But this is kind of like the hippies that went to Canada back Vietnam war days because they didn’t want to be drafted. Who protects them from harm. About next the UN will decide they are the governing body of that area.


36 posted on 03/16/2013 11:45:25 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: Straight Vermonter
It would make far more sense to set up a land-based startup incubator in another part of the world - perhaps Asia - and convince American talent to move there with tax and legal residency incentives. Imagine how much success (and fun) China could have by offering high-skilled Americans tax-free employment and legal residency with no reporting of income to the IRS and no IRS enforcement of any kind permitted against American expats.

The premise behind Blueseed is "America is so great, everybody wants to come here to work!" I'm not sure that holds any more.

37 posted on 03/16/2013 11:45:31 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: pepsionice
The US won’t be able to control them or tax them.

Sure they will. All the U.S. has to do is declare unilaterally that the territorial waters of the United States of America extends 200 miles.

Or, the U.S. could simply torpedo the ships as a barrier to safe navigation.

Would Obama do this?
Snicker, giggle, giggle, snort

38 posted on 03/16/2013 11:50:34 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: Kirkwood

Ok, I’ll go real slow for you. The boat is 12 miles from Silicon Valley. Obviously that’s to allow management employees that live in that area to “commute” to the boat.

Yes, it’s “legal”.

A funny thing happened in the IT business over the last 20 years, it’s called outsourcing.

A funny think happened in my father’s business, manufacturing, called outsourcing.

So we have generations of people getting ripped off by big business. And being small business people, neither my father nor I was able to successfully out-lobby big business, so the laws and regulations that create the big-business-favorable situation, while opposed by many, ultimately passed. In the name of “free markets”.

But I don’t want to have a business where I hire a hundred programmers in a third-world country and I sell my software here in America. I will only hire Americans for software I sell in America. There is no reason why Americans can’t write the software that they use; there is no reason why Americans can’t make EVERYTHING they use. NONE.

The reason they don’t is because it is dictated from the top of the supply chain, i.e., the largest firms - GE, the auto companies, etc. They are MONOPOLIES. Smaller firms that sell to them have virtually no other customers.

I have worked for big business, as my father did. They are not “pro-American”. They are pro-themselves, even if they run America into the ground.


39 posted on 03/16/2013 11:55:08 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

“Owning the ship, or hiring the contractors (cheaply) makes you the owner of an enterprise that is neatly evading the US legal framework by sitting 12 miles offshore.”

Somebody better be prepared to lay a giant bribe at the feet of the leading Democrat politicians else there’s going to be one heckuva Coast Guard inspection in Blueseed’s immediate future.


40 posted on 03/16/2013 11:58:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (Hunkered down in Pennsylvania.)
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To: Kaslin

Massive Ships 12-Miles Offshore to Provide Floating City for Second Amendment Americans and all who love the U.S. Constitution, foreign and Domestic Revolutionary Start-Ups;
NYTownhall.com ^ | March 16, 2013 | Mike Flintlock

Posted on Saturday, March 16, 2013 12:40:30 PM by Rais`nHellsoon

A company named RED-White-and-Blue CREED is a year away from offering Americanss and others an inexpensive place, near New York City and Bloom`nberg, {Silly Valley], in which to obtain their Second Amendment firearms and ammunition.

“RED-Whiteand-Blue Speed will station a ship 12 nautical miles from the coast of NY CITY, in international waters. The location will allow American Patriots and others from anywhere in the world to start or grow their Armnament company near NY CITY [Silly Valley], without the need for a U.S. work visa. The ship will be converted into a coworking and co-living space, and will have high-speed Internet access and daily transportation to the mainland via ferry boat. So far, over 70,000,000 Americans and others from 60+ countries expressed interest in living on the ship. and supplying their fellow Americans with arms, tanks, cannons, helicopter gunships to fight against the tyrannical regimes in NYC, Albany, Californicationia and Washington and anywhere tyranny exists.”


41 posted on 03/16/2013 12:05:04 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Marchione.)
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To: Tallguy

Dems ARE big business just as Repubs are - ever hear about Nancy Pelosi’s tuna plant ?

Both parties in Congress are beholden to big financial interests; Dems being “against” business is a lie they tell their “rank and file”.

They may go through motions as a “show”, but they’ll conveniently announce their inspector’s entrance at the front door with a delay in getting to the back door so their big supporters have time to “relocate”, i.e., switch to the “new strategy”.


42 posted on 03/16/2013 12:08:29 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

Your exactly right PieterCasparzen and that is what many Republicans, conservatives, or whatever they want to call themselves don’t get. That is why Obama can rant about the rich and get away with it. Because there is a grain of truth to what he says (just a grain). And if people don’t wake up soon, where going to be stuck with these clowns for a long time.
Democrats are what they accuse others of being.


43 posted on 03/16/2013 12:10:38 PM PDT by Racer1
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To: Racer1

“Dems ARE big business just as Repubs are - ever hear about Nancy Pelosi’s tuna plant?”

Ahh...so THAT’S where the smell comes from...


44 posted on 03/16/2013 12:23:30 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: bunkerhill7

Better to run a business in your own town or city. And network with other God-fearing Americans - and promote them owning their own businesses.

Keep going.

Eventually, YOUR GROUP will be the “powers that be” in your town or city.


45 posted on 03/16/2013 12:24:54 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: PieterCasparzen

The reason I excluded Republicans from my comment is that it is the liberals, mostly democrats, that control the regulatory bureaucracy. If Obama orders this ship boarded, it will happen immediately. If say GWB or any republican would give that order, the liberal bureaucrats would be throwing sand in the gears of the bureaucratic machinery to prevent it. That’s the lesson I took from the Valerie Plame Affair.


46 posted on 03/16/2013 12:26:05 PM PDT by Tallguy (Hunkered down in Pennsylvania.)
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To: Eye of Unk

“What could possibly go wrong?”

Nothing. The Russians will hack everybody, and the Chinese will steal everything. Nothing at all ...


47 posted on 03/16/2013 12:29:42 PM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: cripplecreek

The best thing for Detroit would be a hands off attitude. Let them go bankrupt, it is inevitable in any case.


48 posted on 03/16/2013 12:35:34 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: pepsionice

It’s a solution to Obamacare limitations - instead of going overseas for private medical care, just go to a hospital ship in international waters.


49 posted on 03/16/2013 12:36:28 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: pepsionice

“Another one gets anchored off the coast of Miami, with Cuban employees performing various medical procedures for a quarter of what it cost in the states.

The US won’t be able to control them or tax them.”

It’ll get torpedoed by the US medical industry.


50 posted on 03/16/2013 12:42:12 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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